I have a couple of ideas I'm running by my DM, including allowing Pious Templar levels to remain as they are (presuming I choose a Lawful Evil Diety, since that PrC only requires Lawful alignment) and essentially migrating FoR to an evil PrC by switching every instance of the words Good and Evil, then treating fallen paladin levels as per usual when taking blackguard PrC.
Alternatively, I've suggested possibly treating all the levels as Paladin levels (certainly not RAW, but RAI, methinks, since I took them all as a Lawful Good follower of a lawful good diety) and becoming a level 10 blackguard, level 2 fallen paladin (or 9 and 3 to get the next ability bonus from fallen paladin levels).
Either way, just looking for thoughts on this, overlooked fatal flaws, possible other suggestions for making a switch to Blackguard with "paladin-esque" PrCs. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
If you can't use Eberron stuff, then trying to work out a deal of some sort with your DM is the best bet IMO; otherwise you'd be woefully underpowered, as you said.
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A fist of Raziel is the exalted champion of good that is favored among all mortals by the Hebdomad. He is one step below the outsiders themselves, and would gladly give his life for the innocent.
A Blackguard is a contemptible example of all that can be wrong with the human race. He would betray the gates of a temple to fiends so that they could eat the flesh of the orphans sheltered within. He would offer no quarter to enemies, and even Pistis Sophia would strike him down without thought.
I'm curious how in the nine hells do you fall that hard?
I'm aware it is a CharOP sin to mention alignment, but how does one go from a Fist of Raziel to a Blackguard?
A fist of Raziel is the exalted champion of good that is favored among all mortals by the Hebdomad. He is one step below the outsiders themselves, and would gladly give his life for the innocent.
A Blackguard is a contemptible example of all that can be wrong with the human race. He would betray the gates of a temple to fiends so that they could eat the flesh of the orphans sheltered within. He would offer no quarter to enemies, and even Pistis Sophia would strike him down without thought.
I'm curious how in the nine hells do you fall that hard?
A purty lady?
I'm aware it is a CharOP sin to mention alignment, but how does one go from a Fist of Raziel to a Blackguard?
A fist of Raziel is the exalted champion of good that is favored among all mortals by the Hebdomad. He is one step below the outsiders themselves, and would gladly give his life for the innocent.
A Blackguard is a contemptible example of all that can be wrong with the human race. He would betray the gates of a temple to fiends so that they could eat the flesh of the orphans sheltered within. He would offer no quarter to enemies, and even Pistis Sophia would strike him down without thought.
I'm curious how in the nine hells do you fall that hard?
One or more of the Lords of the Nine (the rulers of Hell) used to be celestials, so maybe you could ask them?
I'm aware it is a CharOP sin to mention alignment, but how does one go from a Fist of Raziel to a Blackguard?
A fist of Raziel is the exalted champion of good that is favored among all mortals by the Hebdomad. He is one step below the outsiders themselves, and would gladly give his life for the innocent.
A Blackguard is a contemptible example of all that can be wrong with the human race. He would betray the gates of a temple to fiends so that they could eat the flesh of the orphans sheltered within. He would offer no quarter to enemies, and even Pistis Sophia would strike him down without thought.
I'm curious how in the nine hells do you fall that hard?
haha, fair question, forum specifics aside. In building a character more or less based around the smite evil ability, it got to the point where when detecting two evil dwarves who weren't hostile, then charging the hell out of them, my character started to wonder if maybe he wasn't being all that "good" in his "smite first, ask questions never" policy. When he went to a few churches of good gods, they basically said "attaboy", so now he's doubting the concreteness of good and evil at all. If he ends up falling, he'll think he's neutral, but his anger at what he perceives as the good gods' tricking him into doing their bidding will cause him to seek revenge upon the church of Torm, leading to all kinds of evil acts. That, and a really pretty lady
As for the Eberron idea, I suspect my DM would be okay with it, I'll have to check it out though, as we're playing Forgotten Realms and I'm not familiar with anything Eberron-ish. Thanks for all the ideas so far, though guys!
You might think of them differently, but to me a Blackguard is Evil. I can see a guy that has rejected his church to stand as himself doing what he feels should do, but that sounds more Ln to me. Would your guy slaughter children for a small financial gain?
GAH, the more I think about this the less I can make it work. This is why Paladin's are a pain in the butt. Shadowbane Inquisitor should work, but it doesn't. (It doesn't even really work mechanically when you consider it doesn't protect your Paladin abilities like it does your Inquisitor levels. If your alignment changes you don't qualify for the prestige class anymore because you lose Turn Undead and the ability to cast Detect Evil.)
Would your DM let you make a custom class? If you could throw together bits and pieces of the three classes you could make something workable. Let's face it, Paladins aren't exactly a powerful class to begin with. A gimped pally just wouldn't be viable.
(Bone Knight is cool, very cool, but likely doesn't fit your character concept. For one thing, it loses smite evil.)
You might think of them differently, but to me a Blackguard is Evil. I can see a guy that has rejected his church to stand as himself doing what he feels should do, but that sounds more Ln to me. Would your guy slaughter children for a small financial gain?
In every other situation, I'm totally with you, that's why this guy thinks he's LN. He won't start out murdering children for profit, but through a complete degeneration of his character via hate and embitterment, I'm seeing him get to the point where he kills anybody (children included) because he doesn't see them as worthy of living. Maybe Lawful Jaded would be a better descriptor