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#1 sirpercival Oct 27, 2011 19:52:50	Duskblade 6/Warrior Skald 1/Divine Crusader 1/Sovereign Speaker 2/Sublime Chord 2/Mystic Theurge 8 Need Improved Sigil: Krau or Versatile + Heighten for entry into Sublime Chord.  (Yes, I know I'm mixing setting-specific classes...) BAB +14, double 9's.  Thoughts?
#2 sirpercival Oct 28, 2011 15:25:32	Duskblade 6/Warrior Skald 1/Divine Crusader 1/Sovereign Speaker 2/Sublime Chord 2/Mystic Theurge 8 Need Improved Sigil: Krau or Versatile + Heighten for entry into Sublime Chord.  (Yes, I know I'm mixing setting-specific classes...) BAB +14, double 9's.  Thoughts? Alternate way to do it: Crusader 1/Battle Sorcerer 4/Spellsword 1/Abjurant Champion 1/Warrior Skald 1/Divine Crusader 2/Sublime Chord 2/Mystic Theurge 8 BAB +14, double 9's. Can do Divine Crusader 1/PrC 1 to get another domain.
#3 thugsb Oct 29, 2011 9:09:48	Sublime Chord builds are the best. Remember it may be worth taking the second level of SC at 16th or so, instead of 12th (so that your spell progression is quicker in the 12-15th level range, and by 16th it matters less). Will you have enough skill points to get into SC? Divine Crusader with Sovereign Speaker is amazing! Good call.
#4 sirpercival Oct 29, 2011 11:12:01	Sublime Chord builds are the best. Remember it may be worth taking the second level of SC at 16th or so, instead of 12th (so that your spell progression is quicker in the 12-15th level range, and by 16th it matters less). Will you have enough skill points to get into SC? Divine Crusader with Sovereign Speaker is amazing! Good call. Hopefully... I didn't work it out exactly.  You might have to be human and/or take Nymph's Kiss (which for a cha-based dude is a good call anyway). This is a dual-9's version of my "yo dawg, I herd you like crusaderz" build: Crusader 7/Divine Crusader 1/Sovereign Speaker 9/DC +2/Crusader +1.  Cha-based divine casting from 10 domains = win.
#5 thugsb Oct 29, 2011 11:58:41	Or Able Learner. Yeah, that's pretty fantastic, except you don't get too many spells/day. SC suffers from that too, so having two casting classes is massively beneficial to both DC and SC. IL14 is nothing a shake a stick at either. You wouldn't want to go Warblade at 20th to get more maneuvers?
#6 sirpercival Oct 29, 2011 12:04:16	You could really throw Warblade in at any point after Crusader 2, if you wanted.  I liked the "crusader" theme, and the cha synergy.  But IHS is nothing to sneeze at... Which of these three builds do we like the best?
#7 sleepyshadow Oct 30, 2011 16:16:13	My vote is on the second one you posted, but I'm a fan of Battle Sorcerer usage in "gish" characters, so I may be a bit biased
#8 sirpercival Oct 30, 2011 22:06:15	I think I like the second one too.  And no weird early entry tricks either. Here's a question:  What domain?  And is there a prestige class you can take to get an extra one? I would think (for a 9x9 gish) that probably War is the best bet, unless you can get Divine Power from another domain... and then I could get Oracle with DivOr1, but I don't know if that's better than what I could get elsewhere.  Seeker of the Misty Isle would be best, except I'm already skillpoint-strapped from Sublime Chord... Ack!  Thoughts?
#9 sleepyshadow Oct 30, 2011 22:15:08	War Domain is a solid choice, but you could get that for free and some nice other stuff if you went into Ordained Champion. However, squeezing in another class could get difficult, but if you can do it I believe it would be worth it. Something else to think about would be Rainbow Servant. Text vs. Table it's full casting, and you get three domains that aren't terrible. I doubt you have room in your build for many levels of it if you decide to take the class at all, but it's something to consider, at least.