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build me PUN PUN for pathfinder

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#1
Cheiron
Jul 17, 2011 23:18:59 I have decided to just forget about a spell to kill a wizard and instead 'break' teh game via the pun pun route.

Right now My wizard is hole up in his safe house and has a week or abouts to do whatever he can

How can I become pun pun

my wizard is a human and we are allowed 1 thing from 3.5 for my thing I am taking the sarrukh.

How can I do this with pathfinder.

the way I see it. if the DM wants to ignore rules instead of admitting he make a mistake or even just doing a deus ex machina and saying that we fought and killed a clone of the wizards Id be happy. but not when a DM is being an arse. I am the only person at the table with any previous experience, and I tried to explain to the DM that if he does not want us to fight teh wizard yet, he should just say its an illusion or simulacrum liek he has before.

so now, as I told my party member that if he wants to play rough,, ho-kay... I will to. I know how to make my pun pun in 3rd.. just am wondering if anything is any different?
#2
Maat_Mons
Jul 18, 2011 0:01:51
Polymorph-type effects in Pathfinder only grant you specific listed abilities. Manipulate form is not a listed ability for any of them. If sarrukh is the only thing you're allowed from 3.5, I don't think you can build Pun Pun.
#3
Tempest_Stormwind
Jul 18, 2011 12:49:58 Setting aside that you really shouldn't be using Pun-Pun in a real game, even one this laid back...

You can do Pun-Pun without Polymorph. I don't know Pathfinder like the back of my hand, but you can do it in 3.5. Sadly, it requires Gate - plane shift to the Astral Plane and use it to summon a sarrukh from the Material, then command it to grant Manipulate Form to your viper familiar.

The Candle of Invocation exists in Pathfinder, too...
#4
Krusk
Jul 18, 2011 15:46:20
The only thing that can stop pun-pun is DM fiat, or specific settings. Your DM ignores rules. Even if you were in regular 3.5 you wouldn't be able to pull off pun pun. Just save everyone the headache and fight and don't go to the next session.

the way I see it. if the DM wants to ignore rules instead of admitting he make a mistake or even just doing a deus ex machina and saying that we fought and killed a clone of the wizards Id be happy. but not when a DM is being an arse.

#5
Novacat
Jul 18, 2011 15:49:56
but not when a DM is being an arse.

... and you're the one trying to use Pun-Pun in a real game (the pinnacle of D&D dickery).
#6
Crimson_Concerto
Jul 18, 2011 15:52:39
but not when a DM is being an arse.

... and you're the one trying to use Pun-Pun in a real game (the pinnacle of D&D dickery).

+1

Really, if you're actually trying to use Pun-Pun in a real game, then you have no right to be calling anybody else an arse.
#7
Cheiron
Jul 19, 2011 0:22:01 I guess making a pun pun is a bit too much.

But still I can cast Planar ally and get an efreet and wish for our fighter/cleric to get all of his equipment back that was destroyed by a fireball   ( that he has a successful save against) as well as wish for the fighter cleric and cleric to be with me in my save haven of a cave.

Would anybody say that this is pure asshatery?
#8
Novacat
Jul 19, 2011 2:06:14
But still I can cast Planar ally and get an efreet and wish for our fighter/cleric to get all of his equipment back that was destroyed by a fireball ( that he has a successful save against) as well as wish for the fighter cleric and cleric to be with me in my save haven of a cave.

Do fireballs really damage attended objects in Pathfinder?
#9
Novacat
Jul 19, 2011 2:09:08
Would anybody say that this is pure asshatery?

Quit the game. It's obvious that you find the DM's behavior intolerable. Being a jerk (even a little bit) in response isn't mature, and it doesn't solve anything. Since you seem unwilling or unable to simply discuss your concerns with the DM, or else he is unwilling to listen, the correct, adult thing to do is to excuse yourself from the game, and either run one yourself, or join someone else's.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Cheiron Jul 17, 2011 23:18:59	I have decided to just forget about a spell to kill a wizard and instead 'break' teh game via the pun pun route. Right now My wizard is hole up in his safe house and has a week or abouts to do whatever he can How can I become pun pun my wizard is a human and we are allowed 1 thing from 3.5 for my thing I am taking the sarrukh. How can I do this with pathfinder. the way I see it. if the DM wants to ignore rules instead of admitting he make a mistake or even just doing a deus ex machina and saying that we fought and killed a clone of the wizards Id be happy. but not when a DM is being an arse. I am the only person at the table with any previous experience, and I tried to explain to the DM that if he does not want us to fight teh wizard yet, he should just say its an illusion or simulacrum liek he has before. so now, as I told my party member that if he wants to play rough,, ho-kay... I will to. I know how to make my pun pun in 3rd.. just am wondering if anything is any different?
#2 Maat_Mons Jul 18, 2011 0:01:51	Polymorph-type effects in Pathfinder only grant you specific listed abilities. Manipulate form is not a listed ability for any of them. If sarrukh is the only thing you're allowed from 3.5, I don't think you can build Pun Pun.
#3 Tempest_Stormwind Jul 18, 2011 12:49:58	Setting aside that you really shouldn't be using Pun-Pun in a real game, even one this laid back... You can do Pun-Pun without Polymorph. I don't know Pathfinder like the back of my hand, but you can do it in 3.5. Sadly, it requires Gate - plane shift to the Astral Plane and use it to summon a sarrukh from the Material, then command it to grant Manipulate Form to your viper familiar. The Candle of Invocation exists in Pathfinder, too...
#4 Krusk Jul 18, 2011 15:46:20	The only thing that can stop pun-pun is DM fiat, or specific settings. Your DM ignores rules. Even if you were in regular 3.5 you wouldn't be able to pull off pun pun. Just save everyone the headache and fight and don't go to the next session. the way I see it. if the DM wants to ignore rules instead of admitting he make a mistake or even just doing a deus ex machina and saying that we fought and killed a clone of the wizards Id be happy. but not when a DM is being an arse.
#5 Novacat Jul 18, 2011 15:49:56	but not when a DM is being an arse. ... and you're the one trying to use Pun-Pun in a real game (the pinnacle of D&D dickery).
#6 Crimson_Concerto Jul 18, 2011 15:52:39	but not when a DM is being an arse. ... and you're the one trying to use Pun-Pun in a real game (the pinnacle of D&D dickery). +1 Really, if you're actually trying to use Pun-Pun in a real game, then you have no right to be calling anybody else an arse.
#7 Cheiron Jul 19, 2011 0:22:01	I guess making a pun pun is a bit too much. But still I can cast Planar ally and get an efreet and wish for our fighter/cleric to get all of his equipment back that was destroyed by a fireball ( that he has a successful save against) as well as wish for the fighter cleric and cleric to be with me in my save haven of a cave. Would anybody say that this is pure asshatery?
#8 Novacat Jul 19, 2011 2:06:14	But still I can cast Planar ally and get an efreet and wish for our fighter/cleric to get all of his equipment back that was destroyed by a fireball ( that he has a successful save against) as well as wish for the fighter cleric and cleric to be with me in my save haven of a cave. Do fireballs really damage attended objects in Pathfinder?
#9 Novacat Jul 19, 2011 2:09:08	Would anybody say that this is pure asshatery? Quit the game. It's obvious that you find the DM's behavior intolerable. Being a jerk (even a little bit) in response isn't mature, and it doesn't solve anything. Since you seem unwilling or unable to simply discuss your concerns with the DM, or else he is unwilling to listen, the correct, adult thing to do is to excuse yourself from the game, and either run one yourself, or join someone else's.