build of utter uselessness

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#1

thewingsofoblivion_dup

May 10, 2009 17:59:13
Here's my problem, my character is about to retire and I'm looking for a new character idea. I want to optimize on uselessness. We already have pretty much every role we could want filled so I just want to exist, absorbing Exp and treasure. My first idea was to just take a bunch of templates with levels adjustments, but I want to see what suggestions I can get.
#2

dandu

May 10, 2009 18:08:10
Be a monk?
#3

lormador

May 10, 2009 18:17:09
Let's see.... the Drow Fighter substitution level can remove any present and future armor proficiencies. Vow of Poverty, and the other sacred vows, can make it difficult for you to wield any weapons or inflict harm. That Drow level would give you DEX to damage sometimes, but the Vow would remove your ability to use that power by allowing you to attack only constructs, undead, etc.

One could always dump any skill points that might accidentally be useful into Profession. We could take a single rank in a bunch of obscure ones, to keep from accidentally acquiring any marketable abilities. Keeping a low Wisdom would let us raise our Intelligence then, without actually having any use for that ability score.

Other feats could be Skill Focus in things that were trained only, which we'd have no ranks in.

Finally, you'd need to deal only nonlethal damage, so you couldn't harm those few things that there's an outside chance of you doing some tiny amount of damage against.
#4

curufin

May 10, 2009 18:18:45
How about Sorcerer 1/Wizard 1/Rogue 1/Druid 1/Cleric 1/Bard 1/Beguiler 1/Dragon Shaman 1/Scout 1/Spellthief 1/Warmage 1/Wu Jen 1/Favored Soul 1/Shugenja 1/Spirit Shaman 1/Ardent 1/Divine Mind 1/Lurk 1/Psion 1/Soulknife 1.

20 levels with a BAB of +0 and lots of 1st level spells/powers.

Feats
L1: Skill Focus (Knowledge [architecture and engineering]) (you always liked big buildings)
L3: Blind-Fight (not that you can hit them anyway)
L6: Animal Affinity (it will help when the party throws you to the dogs)
L9: Skill Focus (Disguise) (so you can look like somebody that knows what to do)
L12: Combat Casting (so you don't lose those 1st level spells when you cast defensively)
L15: Toughness (getting picked on builds strength)
L18: Run (you probably do this alot)
#5

SylvanPrincess

May 10, 2009 18:24:14
How about Sorcerer 1/Wizard 1/Rogue 1/Druid 1/Cleric 1/Bard 1/Beguiler 1/Dragon Shaman 1/Scout 1/Spellthief 1/Warmage 1/Wu Jen 1/Favored Soul 1/Shugenja 1/Spirit Shaman 1/Ardent 1/Divine Mind 1/Lurk 1/Psion 1/Soulknife 1.

20 levels with a BAB of +0 and lots of 1st level spells/powers.

Feats
L1: Skill Focus (Knowledge [architecture and engineering]) (you always liked big buildings)
L3: Blind-Fight (not that you can hit them anyway)
L6: Animal Affinity (it will help when the party throws you to the dogs)
L9: Skill Focus (Disguise) (so you can look like somebody that knows what to do)
L12: Combat Casting (so you don't lose those 1st level spells when you cast defensively)
L15: Toughness (getting picked on builds strength)
L18: Run (you probably do this alot)

this made me laugh out loud! nice work. you could be a politician, theyre pertty much useless :P
#6

thewingsofoblivion_dup

May 10, 2009 18:41:27
1 problem, absolutely no psionics and absolutely no UA.
#7

Senevri

May 10, 2009 18:42:10
Any useless character should have five Survivor levels in them.

Hmm.. Wilder 5/Survior 5/Sangehirn 5.
Not totally useless, but should manage to survive when others fall.
If your DM allows DR/- stacking, would get fast heal 3, DR 10/-, improved evasion and uncanny dodge.

For a non-psi version, Monk 5/Survivor 5/Death Delver 10 nets all of 4th level divine spells, maybe 1d8 fist damage, very little in the way of any sort of goodies, and nine lives - that is, nine times in your career, when you would die, you wont.

Now, as a less of a build and more of a suggestion - since you're the red-headed stepchild of the party, pick whatever oddball classes you feel like trying out, and whichever ones you coincidently qualify for.

Say, Marshal 3/Monk 2/Swashbuckler 3/Thief-Acrobat 4/Suel Arcanamach 1/Uncanny Trickster 3/.... something like that, for an example. You could at the very least, try to gain a new class feature every level.

I believe there was a list of easy-access PrC's floating around here somewhere, wayback. See if you can dig that up.

One option would be to try to taste every class in a single splat book.

I wonder if a Crusader/Swordsage/Warblade/Bloodclaw Master/Bloodstorm Blade/Deepstone Sentinel/Eternal Blade/Jade Phoenix Mage/Ruby Knight Vindicator/Shadow Sun Ninja/Master of Nine is possible. Or necessarily bad.
That's 11 1-level dips, btw.

You need: 2 arcane casting levels (Suel 2 nets that at combat casting+iron will cost)
You need to count as a dwarf == be a dwarf, or Stoneblessed 3
You need to count as an Elf == be one.
You need the ability to turn or rebuke undead. Replace Suel with dread necro 4 or... a cleric dip can net us two of the required feats. Yeah.
Following feats:
Multiattack OR TWF -
Point Blank Shot -
Power Attack or Stone Power -
Weapon Focus
Adaptive Style -
Dodge
Blind-fight
Improved Init -
Improved Unarmed Strike -

Good-Aligned Elf
Levels:
Crusader 1/ : TWF bab 1
Warblade 1/ bab 2
Unarmed Swordsage 1 nets Improved Unarmed Strike. Combat Casting
Cleric 1: Domains Elf and whatever-gives-improved-init
Stoneblessed 3 Iron Will bab 4
Ruby Knight Vindicator 1 bab 5
Bloodstorm Blade 1 bab 6 Power Attack
Bloodclaw Master 1
Suel Arcanamach 2 bab 7 Adaptive Style
Jade Phoenix 1 bab 8
Shadow Sun Ninja 1 ---now we need BAB 10, and three classes to go.
Fighter 1: weapon focus, dodge, ---no way 'round it, need the feats.
Deepstone Sentinel 1
Eternal Blade 1 -
X 1 - blind-fight - free class, you have plenty to choose from
Master of Nine 1 - whoo capstone
X 1 - another free level.

This is beautiful. I may cry. But, MAN, speak about potential. In fifty levels or so, this will actually get pretty powerful. BAB sorta sucks, though.
#8

thewingsofoblivion_dup

May 10, 2009 18:46:32
survivor is good, another thing i wanted to optimize on was being unkillable. that way, not only will i be completely useless and sucking up valuable resources from the party, i will also be impossible to get rid of.
#9

dandu

May 10, 2009 20:03:22
Like herpes.
#10

carnivore

May 10, 2009 20:12:17
1/2 Orc Marshal xxx/ Artificer xxx/ Survivor 5 with a VOP and Cha of 6

useless Auras
cant use Items

:D
#11

thewingsofoblivion_dup

May 10, 2009 21:10:49
You must also remember that I'm retarded and I cant keep up with anything too complicated.
#12

jetstrike3000

May 10, 2009 22:06:18
Well there is a homebrew class on the web called the clod i think its 3.0... It would be decent for your idea.
#13

sofawall

May 10, 2009 22:21:01
Wizard who PAOs himself into a table made of adamatine, with a contingent PAO to do the same thing (making it permanent) and a contingent animate object. Or awaken after turning yourself into a fly, or something. Just make sure you can keep up with the party.:D

Somewhat close to the psionic sandwich.
#14

risner

May 10, 2009 22:24:34
This thread is useless.
#15

jopustopin

May 10, 2009 22:45:58
Get the feats Fearless Destiny and Tempting Fate

Then enter the prestige class Death Delver and take ten levels of it.

Get the feat stone power.

Every round of combat you have ten temporary hit points. You get die hard as a bonus feat. Fearless Destiny saves your life once a day, tempting fate can also save your life once a day. Death Delver saves your life irregardless of how you would have died nine times.

Play a knight or something that sucks but you get d12 hit points. Max out your con have a **** ton of hit points, max out your armor, max out your temporary hit points, grab these feats, grab that prestige class.


Now onto sucking:
Fight defensively all the time use a weapon you are not proficient play an npc class.
#16

Senevri

May 11, 2009 1:50:36
1/2 Orc Marshal xxx/ Artificer xxx/ Survivor 5 with a VOP and Cha of 6

useless Auras
cant use Items

:D

Carn, I thought the OP was looking for The Load, in whcih case spending all the party's GP is, in fact a bonus - a requirement, even.
#17

PlzBreakMyCampaign

May 11, 2009 8:48:39
This thread is useless.

Someone has low optimization skills - Its the strange ones, not the usual ones that test a person's optimization skills.

But yeah, vows and dips for AC means you need high SR (much harder), assuming your DM doesn't wise up and start throwing no SR spells at you... Grabbing high DR and Hp is a good idea too, before getting good saves if you can't manage a high enough SR.

How do you make sure the party can't get rid of you after they figure out how useless you are? What if they just teleport away and leave your bootay? :P
#18

TifRhal

May 11, 2009 8:59:41
just be a druid and wear full plate and carry a great sword. Then be like I dont know why my powers arnt working.
#19

hijaxx

May 11, 2009 9:10:49
jopustopin, where is that tempting fate feat from?
EDIT: nevermind, found it.
and you forgot the ring of nine lives.
max out your charisma. take 1 cleric level. take divine metamagic. heighten any 1st level cleric spell to max. use the reserve feat 'minor shapechange' each turn as a swift action to gain even more temporary hit points.
#20

nunkuruji

May 11, 2009 10:03:54
Unbodied Barbarian who continually rages because he's ticked off that he is illiterate and has no body.
#21

risner

May 11, 2009 11:14:37
just be a druid and wear full plate and carry a great sword. Then be like I dont know why my powers arnt working.

I like this one.
#22

phaedrusxy

May 11, 2009 14:21:12
Unbodied Barbarian who continually rages because he's ticked off that he is illiterate and has no body.

#23

Senevri

May 11, 2009 18:04:41
Feats: Extra Rage, Extend Rage...
#24

naanomi

May 11, 2009 19:20:57
Maybe something with Apostle of Peace/Frenzied Berserker?
#25

unundindur

May 12, 2009 1:14:47
Wizard 20 with Intelligence of 3. The mockery.

Commoner/Survivor/Horizon Walker. That guy who always show up in games and bother the crap out of you, before he leaves. Elminster could have this build.
#26

Senevri

May 12, 2009 4:13:04
unundindur, I like that. If NPC classes aren't allowed, go with a focused specialist wizard --- with Int < 10.
It's just like commoner. Focused specialist, just because.
#27

dr_rocktopus

May 12, 2009 4:21:10
Maybe something with Apostle of Peace/Frenzied Berserker?

Actually, wouldn't that let you convert all your damage into non-lethal damage? And potentially if laid out correctly still get 9th level spells? Potentially making you incredibly useless AND incredibly useful?!
#28

Dictum_Mortuum

May 12, 2009 6:44:35
focust specialist diviner :p
#29

unundindur

May 12, 2009 6:50:04
focust specialist diviner :p

Nah, I love my Diviners. Abjuration is better, since a good defence won't do piddle anyway
#30

Dictum_Mortuum

May 12, 2009 7:00:21
doesn't matter with int < 10 :p
#31

unundindur

May 12, 2009 7:29:04
doesn't matter with int < 10 :p

principles... principles :embarrass
#32

thedragonmaster

May 12, 2009 10:48:37
Consider getting PrC's for which you qualify with spells/items/vestiges/soulmelds/other temporary things which you then forgo, preferrably permanently.


Or, just for it to be mentioned in this thread alltogether, play the following:

An Elven Lightning Warrior wielding a Uranium Greatsword.

Hopefully your character will be pretty useless after your DM har burned the Character Sheet.
#33

BloodDragon

May 12, 2009 10:57:50
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Anything Henchman?

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#34

phaedrusxy

May 12, 2009 12:24:36
An Elven Lightning Warrior wielding a Uranium Greatsword.

My favorite character. I think I'm going to sig this...
#35

thedragonmaster

May 12, 2009 17:42:30
Thanks PhaedrusXY, I'm glad someone appreciates my horribly bad sense of humour (or trolling, even though it's pretty hard in a thread like this).

Too bad being glad won't cure the dent I got in my head from laughing so hard when I wrote it that I fell off my chair and hit my head on the table edge .
#36

AleGolem

May 12, 2009 17:57:49
The Noble class from Dragonlance would be a good jump off point. Then just hold your breath and pray no one filled the pool.
#37

drucypher2000

May 15, 2009 23:18:32
Artificier with Vow of Poverty. Tell everybody you're making an Apparatus of Kwalish out of sticks and harsh language.