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#1 yamishinobi Sep 02, 2008 18:30:49	i am playing a sorceress, but plan on building a healer/trapfinder as a back up, the party needs both right now, a healer and a trapmonkey, however the only books i have access to are phb1 phb2 mm1, mm5 and dmg, house rules races must be from phb 28 point buy character must be 8th level must not be evil alignment (no lawful evil, neutral evil, or chaotic evil) if cleric, must worship one of the following dieties, st. cuthbert, wee jaas, kord or, or good aligned racial deities NO Pun-Pun special: what i want to see, optimized but not uber cheesy either a rogue or a cleric must be built. must cover the following roles at least Trapfinder, and Healer, any other roles are up to the builder. the following books are banned Book of 9 swords Unearthed arcana Book of exhalted deeds Book of vile darkness Anything requiring evil alignment books one does not own (all i own are phb, phb2, dmg, mm1, and mm5) Builds, all i can think of is the UMD Archery rogue with the wand of CLW option? Race: Human Rogue 8 Stats Str 12 (10+2 gloves) Dex18 (14 +2 levels +2 gloves) Int 16 Wis10 Cha12 Con 12 Feats Point blank shot, precise shot, deadeye shot, improved initiative Skills (11 ranks each) Use magic device 11 (+12) Search 11 (+14) Open lock 11 (17) Disable device 11 (16) Listen 11 Spot 11 Diplomacy 11 (16) Bluff 11 (12) Sense motive 11 Tumble 11 (15) Intimidate: 11 (+14) Knowledge (Local) 11 Bracers Str +2 (4,000) Gloves Dex +2 (4,000) Cloak res +2 (4,000) +1 shortbow Composite +1 str (2450) Wand Cure light wounds infinite charges 1500 (CL1) Quiver of ehllona (5500) Rapier +1 (2320) 200 arrows (10) 3020 gold pieces
#2 kurashu Sep 02, 2008 18:58:48	Yes, master. Right away, master.
#3 yamishinobi Sep 02, 2008 21:57:10	looking for builds.
#4 carnivore Sep 03, 2008 5:48:11	what Kurashu meant .... was, it is polite to Post a Build or at least your ideas... then ask for other builds that may be better, rather than simply requesting a Build without giving any effort yourself.... for your request .... i would suggest this: Cleric .. Healer role/with Ranged Support and Trapfinding Elf Cleric 6/ Thaumaturgist 2 Patron: Ehlonna Domains: Healling Plant 28pt buy: 10 Str(10) 16 Dex(12+2 racial +2 gloves) 12 Con(14-2 racial) 10 Int(10) 20 Wis(16+2 lvl +2 amulet) 12 Cha(12) Feats: Point Blank Shot Precise Shot Spell Focus(conjuration) Items: 1250gp Goggles of Minute Seeing ...+5 Competence Search 3500gp Lens of Detection .............+5 Unnamed Search 3000gp Metamagic Rod of Extend Spell 624gp Masterwork Cold iron heavy Mace 320 gp Masterwork Rapier 2375gp +1 Longbow 1800gp Quiver of Ehlonna 205gp Darkwood Buckler 2100gp +1 Mithral Chain Shirt 4000gp +2 Amulet of Wisdom 4000gp +2 Gloves of Dex 2500gp ring of sustenance 2000gp Handy Haversack 200gp..2x War Ponies(trained)...one to be riden, one for carrying supplies...both are combat ready and can fight 150gp...6x Guard Dogs(trained).....trained for various things 100gp .10x Acid Flasks 200gp..10x Alchemists Fire 100gp...4x Holy Water Trapfinding: Spell Find Traps Cleric 2nd lvl... allows you to use Search like a Rogue to find Traps :D
#5 phaedrusxy Sep 03, 2008 12:10:26	the following books are banned Book of 9 swords Unearthed arcana Book of exhalted deeds Book of vile darkness Anything requiring evil alignment preferred races include, human or elf This isn't even close to "almost core". Rogue/Cleric/Master of the Yuirwood would work. Master of the Yuirwood is a Forgotten Realms PrC in the Unapproachable East book. It has 3/4 BAB, full casting, and 6 skill points per level with a decent list. There are plenty of other PrCs that would work also, but I am less familiar with them. Ones that I've heard about are 1) Ruathar, 2) Seeker of the Misty Isle.
#6 kurashu Sep 03, 2008 14:12:35	What's that feat in Dragon/Dungeon that let's cleric and rogue levels stack? Rogue 1/Cloistered Cleric 19. Take zen archery and abuse divine metamagic. In fact, you could do LN Rogue 1/Dread Necromancer 1/Cloistered Cleric 18 and really abuse divine metamagic and extra turn undead. Use Divine Power to make up the difference in BAB. Or take a prestige class. Worship Weejas to justify the DN in the build. Dread Necromancer is in heroes of horror, cloistered cleric is in the SRD. Zen Archery is in Complete Warrior. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#clericVariantCloisteredCleric
#7 yamishinobi Sep 03, 2008 14:25:24	What's that feat in Dragon/Dungeon that let's cleric and rogue levels stack? Rogue 1/Cloistered Cleric 19. Take zen archery and abuse divine metamagic. In fact, you could do LN Rogue 1/Dread Necromancer 1/Cloistered Cleric 18 and really abuse divine metamagic and extra turn undead. Use Divine Power to make up the difference in BAB. Or take a prestige class. Worship Weejas to justify the DN in the build. Dread Necromancer is in heroes of horror, cloistered cleric is in the SRD. Zen Archery is in Complete Warrior. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#clericVariantCloisteredCleric cloistered cleric is in unearthed arcana, which means it is banned. he also doesn't let players bring laptops to the table.
#8 yamishinobi Sep 03, 2008 14:28:27	This isn't even close to "almost core". Rogue/Cleric/Master of the Yuirwood would work. Master of the Yuirwood is a Forgotten Realms PrC in the Unapproachable East book. It has 3/4 BAB, full casting, and 6 skill points per level with a decent list. There are plenty of other PrCs that would work also, but I am less familiar with them. Ones that I've heard about are 1) Ruathar, 2) Seeker of the Misty Isle. read the upper post. the only books i have access to, (Budget problems) Players handbook Players handbook 2 Monster manual 1 Monster manual 5 (only good for improved toughness as a feat, found it on sale, it was either that or a book i already owned) Dungeon masters guide
#9 phaedrusxy Sep 03, 2008 14:55:06	read the upper post. You edited that in after my post... Yeah, that makes a huge difference. A rogue/cleric multiclass is probably your best bet, with the Trickery domain and a high Int. You're still not going to be great as a rogue substitute, though. I wouldn't take more than a level or two of rogue. If anyone you know has the Races of Destiny book, the Able Learner feat would be a huge help.
#10 yamishinobi Sep 03, 2008 14:56:58	sorry. any suggestions that are better than UMD Rogue?
#11 yamishinobi Sep 03, 2008 15:07:37	You edited that in after my post... Yeah, that makes a huge difference. A rogue/cleric multiclass is probably your best bet, with the Trickery domain and a high Int. You're still not going to be great as a rogue substitute, though. I wouldn't take more than a level or two of rogue. darn, gotta convince my dm to let me play 2 characters, which he will obviously refuse. any ways to convince an overweight elderely figure who has dmed every edition to date, he didn't mention his rule on the leadership feat. the party has too many BSFT's (Big Stupid Fighter types) and anyone not a big stupid fighter is an arcane caster. the bard is absent, so we need the pally, but he doesn't show up eveery week, the only reason we slaughtered a cr14 monster at level 8 was the conjurer showed up and spam summoned massive animals. Techincally celestial huge dire animals with 4 or 5 natural attacks each, pounce and smite evil. (Celestial Dire lions, Etc.)
#12 bruceleeroy Sep 03, 2008 16:05:20	Just play a damn cleric, using Find Traps as carnivore suggested and buy a wand of Summon Monster 1 to set off the traps you find. Cleric = win.
#13 yamishinobi Sep 05, 2008 16:43:54	Just play a damn cleric, using Find Traps as carnivore suggested and buy a wand of Summon Monster 1 to set off the traps you find. Cleric = win. oh yeah a 750 gp wand that only lasts 1 round? not a good way to set off traps. especially since i can try to schmooze mr drow conjururer into summoning a fiendish bunny rabbit to set off the traps, take that fiendish bunny rabbit. Can a good aligned conjuruer summon fiendish bunny rabbits to set off traps? i know it would be evil to send the lawful evil bunny,but it would also be a good deed to the send said evil bunny into a trap, right? How much does a wand of find traps cost?
#14 bruceleeroy Sep 06, 2008 2:47:14	If you've already detected the trap using Find Traps, then using a Summon Monster I wand costs you 15gp to set off the trap safely. I don't know what kind of budget you're on, but that fits mine nicely.
#15 mdsummer Sep 06, 2008 12:28:04	A Beguiler maxing out UMD with wands of CLW works as well.