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Busting open the War Weaver: Legacy Champion

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#1
VorpalBunny
Jun 25, 2013 21:10:13 I was thinking about the limitations of the War Weaver's Eldrich Tapestry feature, which specifies that you can only cast spells into the tapestry of a level up to your War Weaver level. Normally, that allows you to cast spells of "only" up to 5th level into the tapestry. I know we can do better. By my reading of Legacy Champion, you could recieve an effective +1 to your War Weaver level each level after 1st (as we only need 4 more effective levels we won't worry about LC's 7th level non-advancement).

Two Questions:

A) Am I reading things correctly?

IF SO

B) What good 6th+ spells should we be casting into the Tapestry?

I'm thinking about two different builds:

Build one would be:

(Race Unspecified) Wizard 5/War Weaver 5/Legacy Champion 5/Incantatrix 3-4/Full Casting 1-2

Build two (cheesier build):

Loredrake Dragonwrought Earth Kobold: Metamagic Specialist Sorcerer 4/War Weaver 5/Legacy Champion 5/Incantatrix 4+/Full Casting 0-2

Thoughts?

-VB
#2
frost.fire
Jun 26, 2013 15:08:53 I think bloodlines are technically a better way to do this, since you don't have to sacrifice levels to legacy champion
#3
VorpalBunny
Jun 26, 2013 16:36:47 Really? I admit I forgot about Bloodlines, but you only get 3 additional levels of "War Weaver" (so 8th level spells), but you do lose two more levels of spells known and spells per day, not to mention the loss of HD,Saves, BAB (ha ha), and Skill Points.

I'll give bloodlines a though though! Thanks for the reminder.

-VB
#4
draco1119
Jun 26, 2013 18:04:30 Bloodlines aren't levels; all you lose is XP.
#5
frost.fire
Jun 26, 2013 19:45:01 Xp is a river you do get those lecels back and aren't technically epic with them, they are cheesey but its another way. And I don't remember that many great 9th lebel buffs(been awhile though). But you could add a few levels of legacy to get it to if you feel that strongly about it. Bloodlines just don't lose much comparitivly
#6
draco1119
Jun 26, 2013 20:07:20 And they gain so, SO much! Search for Hattori Hanzo in this forum for an idea of some crazy fun you can have with them.
#7
Andarious-Rosethorn
Jun 27, 2013 0:25:17 Team Shapeshift is silly, among a few options for 9ths. Mind you, not all that many but still, silly. Also, why did I play the Polymorph card? Because... I could.
#8
frost.fire
Jun 27, 2013 10:33:37 Wouldn't going wizard be easier due to spell level loos, giving you more flexability?
#9
VorpalBunny
Jun 27, 2013 14:06:08 Wow...

Alright, I never realized Bloodline levels don't count as levels, just...and xp sap (Kind of like LA buyoff?) NICE!

So bloodlines would be far easier!

Also, going Wizard is better.

VB
#10
awaken_D_M_golem
Jun 28, 2013 15:13:17 Yeah, Bloodline 3 / Legacy Champ 2 / Uncanny Trickster 2 ...
is a nice counting way to gain Class Levels in all/most things.

How exactly this interacts with War Weaver, idk enough to guess.
Certainly an Int class has enough skills to get in and use UT.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 VorpalBunny Jun 25, 2013 21:10:13	I was thinking about the limitations of the War Weaver's Eldrich Tapestry feature, which specifies that you can only cast spells into the tapestry of a level up to your War Weaver level. Normally, that allows you to cast spells of "only" up to 5th level into the tapestry. I know we can do better. By my reading of Legacy Champion, you could recieve an effective +1 to your War Weaver level each level after 1st (as we only need 4 more effective levels we won't worry about LC's 7th level non-advancement). Two Questions: A) Am I reading things correctly? IF SO B) What good 6th+ spells should we be casting into the Tapestry? I'm thinking about two different builds: Build one would be: (Race Unspecified) Wizard 5/War Weaver 5/Legacy Champion 5/Incantatrix 3-4/Full Casting 1-2 Build two (cheesier build): Loredrake Dragonwrought Earth Kobold: Metamagic Specialist Sorcerer 4/War Weaver 5/Legacy Champion 5/Incantatrix 4+/Full Casting 0-2 Thoughts? -VB
#2 frost.fire Jun 26, 2013 15:08:53	I think bloodlines are technically a better way to do this, since you don't have to sacrifice levels to legacy champion
#3 VorpalBunny Jun 26, 2013 16:36:47	Really? I admit I forgot about Bloodlines, but you only get 3 additional levels of "War Weaver" (so 8th level spells), but you do lose two more levels of spells known and spells per day, not to mention the loss of HD,Saves, BAB (ha ha), and Skill Points. I'll give bloodlines a though though! Thanks for the reminder. -VB
#4 draco1119 Jun 26, 2013 18:04:30	Bloodlines aren't levels; all you lose is XP.
#5 frost.fire Jun 26, 2013 19:45:01	Xp is a river you do get those lecels back and aren't technically epic with them, they are cheesey but its another way. And I don't remember that many great 9th lebel buffs(been awhile though). But you could add a few levels of legacy to get it to if you feel that strongly about it. Bloodlines just don't lose much comparitivly
#6 draco1119 Jun 26, 2013 20:07:20	And they gain so, SO much! Search for Hattori Hanzo in this forum for an idea of some crazy fun you can have with them.
#7 Andarious-Rosethorn Jun 27, 2013 0:25:17	Team Shapeshift is silly, among a few options for 9ths. Mind you, not all that many but still, silly. Also, why did I play the Polymorph card? Because... I could.
#8 frost.fire Jun 27, 2013 10:33:37	Wouldn't going wizard be easier due to spell level loos, giving you more flexability?
#9 VorpalBunny Jun 27, 2013 14:06:08	Wow... Alright, I never realized Bloodline levels don't count as levels, just...and xp sap (Kind of like LA buyoff?) NICE! So bloodlines would be far easier! Also, going Wizard is better. VB
#10 awaken_D_M_golem Jun 28, 2013 15:13:17	Yeah, Bloodline 3 / Legacy Champ 2 / Uncanny Trickster 2 ... is a nice counting way to gain Class Levels in all/most things. How exactly this interacts with War Weaver, idk enough to guess. Certainly an Int class has enough skills to get in and use UT.