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#1 zenogu Jul 04, 2009 18:41:07	We're about to start another campaign (an orc campaign!) and we're thinking about using the point-buy system so none of us will be phenomally better than any other party members. I'm not sure how racial ability mods fit in tho. Do they apply before or after you buy your points? pg. 169 of the DMG doesn't even mention races at all
#2 deoxhydroxinate Jul 04, 2009 19:00:47	Buy points first, apply racials after.
#3 zenogu Jul 04, 2009 19:11:40	what's your source? (most likely common sense :P ) anyway, if applied before it's like creating a character with a crutch. Err, scratch that. It's like creating a character requiring a crutch.
#4 temetnosce Jul 04, 2009 19:39:40	what's your source? (most likely common sense :P ) anyway, if applied before it's like creating a character with a crutch. Err, scratch that. It's like creating a character requiring a crutch. The PHB? At least that's where it lists the steps of character creation. Which a quick glance shows that you're supposed to roll and assign ability scores before applying racial adjustment, ergo if you replace that with point buy you still need to assign them first. Also, your comparison makes no sense.
#5 Wyvernhand Jul 04, 2009 19:40:09	Um...how about the PHB? Citation from the SRD Ability Modifiers Each ability, after changes made because of race, has a modifier ranging from -5 to +5. Table: Ability Modifiers and Bonus Spells shows the modifier for each score. It also shows bonus spells, which you’ll need to know about if your character is a spellcaster. So, you roll or PB your abilities, THEN add/subtract your racials, THEN calculate your ability modifiers. Its probably somewhere else in the PHB that doesn't show up in the SRD, but there it is.
#6 zenogu Jul 04, 2009 21:51:37	good enough for me! i didn't look in the PHB cuz point-buy is introduced in chapter 6 of the DMG note: as for the comparison, he requires a crutch. He was not necessarily given one :P