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Charisma and Wisdom for a Ruby Knight Vindicator?

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#1
Endarire
May 04, 2008 18:29:29 One player in my game made an ECL1 Human Crusader with stat priorities similar to a paladin. This crusader uses a glaive and focuses on attacks of opportunity with Combat Reflexes, Stand Still, and the like.

I heard Charisma is handy for crusaders, but since the character has no maneuvers with saves, the only uses I see are for the crusader's smite and extra turn attempts. (The character isn't made to use social skills.) Wisdom's main use seems to be clerical spells.

Current Stat Allocations (28 Point Buy): 14/14/14/8/12/14.
Suggested Stat Allocations (28 Point Buy): 14/16/14/8/14/8.

Build Plan: Crusader4/Cleric1 of an ethos (Travel and Undeath domains)/Ruby Knight Vindicator5/Crusader+1/RKV+5/Crusader+3/Swordsage1

I feel like the 14 base CHA is going to waste since the soonest he can benefit from converting turning attempts to maneuvers. (At RKV2, character level 7, he can spend a turn attempt as a swift action to recover a spent maneuver.) The 12 base WIS is OK and 8 base INT is just enough to get him the skills for RKV in time, but I feel the extra points could make his WIS 15 so he wouldn't need to wear an item to cast his highest-level spells or make his DEX 16 to use another AoO.
#2
Blade2718
May 04, 2008 18:40:07 If that's the case, then I'd go with the Dex 16; by the time you'll want the extra Cha for turning, you'll have a nightstick (or more), as well as an enhancement item of Cha.
#3
ChristopherGroves
May 04, 2008 18:44:08 You want both, but if the choice is CHA or WIS, go WIS.

Remember WIS can also increase your AC; perhaps ignore one of those crusader levels for a second of Swordsage.
#4
ChristopherGroves
May 04, 2008 18:45:31 And consider not taking another of them for a late-game warblade dip.

Seriously.

The way IL is calculated that RKV 10 is a huge, nice boost to IL. A late game Warblade will have some decent power options (even if the stance is a lame-o level 1)
#5
ander_spectacular
May 05, 2008 7:39:18 The Crusader's Indomitable Soul ability adds Cha to will saves, so I can see the use. But I guess since a higher wis would add a bonus to will saves as well its a pretty moot point.
-AS-

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#1 Endarire May 04, 2008 18:29:29	One player in my game made an ECL1 Human Crusader with stat priorities similar to a paladin. This crusader uses a glaive and focuses on attacks of opportunity with Combat Reflexes, Stand Still, and the like. I heard Charisma is handy for crusaders, but since the character has no maneuvers with saves, the only uses I see are for the crusader's smite and extra turn attempts. (The character isn't made to use social skills.) Wisdom's main use seems to be clerical spells. Current Stat Allocations (28 Point Buy): 14/14/14/8/12/14. Suggested Stat Allocations (28 Point Buy): 14/16/14/8/14/8. Build Plan: Crusader4/Cleric1 of an ethos (Travel and Undeath domains)/Ruby Knight Vindicator5/Crusader+1/RKV+5/Crusader+3/Swordsage1 I feel like the 14 base CHA is going to waste since the soonest he can benefit from converting turning attempts to maneuvers. (At RKV2, character level 7, he can spend a turn attempt as a swift action to recover a spent maneuver.) The 12 base WIS is OK and 8 base INT is just enough to get him the skills for RKV in time, but I feel the extra points could make his WIS 15 so he wouldn't need to wear an item to cast his highest-level spells or make his DEX 16 to use another AoO.
#2 Blade2718 May 04, 2008 18:40:07	If that's the case, then I'd go with the Dex 16; by the time you'll want the extra Cha for turning, you'll have a nightstick (or more), as well as an enhancement item of Cha.
#3 ChristopherGroves May 04, 2008 18:44:08	You want both, but if the choice is CHA or WIS, go WIS. Remember WIS can also increase your AC; perhaps ignore one of those crusader levels for a second of Swordsage.
#4 ChristopherGroves May 04, 2008 18:45:31	And consider not taking another of them for a late-game warblade dip. Seriously. The way IL is calculated that RKV 10 is a huge, nice boost to IL. A late game Warblade will have some decent power options (even if the stance is a lame-o level 1)
#5 ander_spectacular May 05, 2008 7:39:18	The Crusader's Indomitable Soul ability adds Cha to will saves, so I can see the use. But I guess since a higher wis would add a bonus to will saves as well its a pretty moot point. -AS-