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#1
guest1873114262
Sep 15, 2011 12:27:44 OK, here's the build:

Illumian Savage Bard 4/Spellthief 4/Ur Priest 2/Sublime Chord 2/Mystic Theurge 8
relevant feats: Improved Sigil (Krau) to qualify for SC, Enhanced Power Sigils, Master Spellthief.

If I calculate this correctly... we have CL 11 in Bard (4 levels + 4 master spellthief + 3 Krau), so Sublime Chord is CL 28 (10 levels + 11 bard + 4 master spellthief + 3 krau). Then, Bard & Spellthief & Sublime Chord are all 28, so Ur-Priest is CL 55 (10 levels + 3 krau + 28*3/2 arcanes).

Am I calculating this incorrectly? I know this is not a new trick, I'm just designing a high-level villain and I'm trying to make sure I've worked it out properly. Thanks everyone!
#2
Tempest_Stormwind
Sep 15, 2011 14:42:17 I know Sublime Chord got some serious errata in the wake of The Word, which forced it to choose one arcane class to gain its CL boost. However, I'm having a hard time finding the citation for that now.
#3
guest1873114262
Sep 15, 2011 14:46:21 You mean, Sublime Chord chooses one arcane class to determine its own CL (which I'm doing already), or its "set the CL to your Sublime Chord CL" applies to one other class only?

If the latter then we have Bard CL 11, Spellthief & Sublime Chord CL 28 and Ur-Priest CL 38.
#4
Tempest_Stormwind
Sep 15, 2011 15:22:45
You mean, Sublime Chord chooses one arcane class to determine its own CL (which I'm doing already), or its "set the CL to your Sublime Chord CL" applies to one other class only?

If the latter then we have Bard CL 11, Spellthief & Sublime Chord CL 28 and Ur-Priest CL 38.

That's the thing - I was never an arcane caster optimization expert (my specialities lay in melee and psionics), so I don't remember the exact specifics! That's why I'm hunting for the citation.

However, I DO remember Sublime Ur-Priest builds coming out with CL numbers somewhat like these post-errata. I don't remember the exact impact of Master Spellthief on them, though, since by Complete Adventurer I'd totally lost interest in arcane magic. (Here's the references on that.)

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#1 guest1873114262 Sep 15, 2011 12:27:44	OK, here's the build: Illumian Savage Bard 4/Spellthief 4/Ur Priest 2/Sublime Chord 2/Mystic Theurge 8 relevant feats: Improved Sigil (Krau) to qualify for SC, Enhanced Power Sigils, Master Spellthief. If I calculate this correctly... we have CL 11 in Bard (4 levels + 4 master spellthief + 3 Krau), so Sublime Chord is CL 28 (10 levels + 11 bard + 4 master spellthief + 3 krau). Then, Bard & Spellthief & Sublime Chord are all 28, so Ur-Priest is CL 55 (10 levels + 3 krau + 28*3/2 arcanes). Am I calculating this incorrectly? I know this is not a new trick, I'm just designing a high-level villain and I'm trying to make sure I've worked it out properly. Thanks everyone!
#2 Tempest_Stormwind Sep 15, 2011 14:42:17	I know Sublime Chord got some serious errata in the wake of The Word, which forced it to choose one arcane class to gain its CL boost. However, I'm having a hard time finding the citation for that now.
#3 guest1873114262 Sep 15, 2011 14:46:21	You mean, Sublime Chord chooses one arcane class to determine its own CL (which I'm doing already), or its "set the CL to your Sublime Chord CL" applies to one other class only? If the latter then we have Bard CL 11, Spellthief & Sublime Chord CL 28 and Ur-Priest CL 38.
#4 Tempest_Stormwind Sep 15, 2011 15:22:45	You mean, Sublime Chord chooses one arcane class to determine its own CL (which I'm doing already), or its "set the CL to your Sublime Chord CL" applies to one other class only? If the latter then we have Bard CL 11, Spellthief & Sublime Chord CL 28 and Ur-Priest CL 38. That's the thing - I was never an arcane caster optimization expert (my specialities lay in melee and psionics), so I don't remember the exact specifics! That's why I'm hunting for the citation. However, I DO remember Sublime Ur-Priest builds coming out with CL numbers somewhat like these post-errata. I don't remember the exact impact of Master Spellthief on them, though, since by Complete Adventurer I'd totally lost interest in arcane magic. (Here's the references on that.)