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Cleric of Tyranny?

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#1
tos_shai_hulud
Jan 30, 2009 5:12:49 I'm interested in making a 1st level cleric of Tyranny. I'm looking for build options for maximizing the types of rebuking available to the cleric. One possibility would be a Sovereign Speaker from Faiths of Eberron. Beginning play as a Cloistered Cleric and retraining the Knowledge domain allows a second level cleric to have three domains that grant rebuking. Then as a Sovereign Speaker, one would only need 2 levels to get all of the possibilities from the prestige class (Arawai has Plant, Balinor has Air and Earth, Onatar has Fire and Warforged). That leaves Water unavailable, so the full complement of elemental domains is unavailable. Still, this is a suboptimal choice, as the cleric loses turn/rebuking ability for both of these levels as well as a level of cleric spellcasting. Seems like a poor choice for a cleric of tyranny, even if Eberron does allow lawful evil clerics to worship the Sovereign Host without losing their powers. Even a liberal interpretation of the rules such that the Dark Six is a part of the pantheon (as described that some followers believe that all fifteen gods comprise the Sovereign Host), that would only add the Water domain through the Devourer, and another lost level where rebuking doesn't increase.

Still, this grants rebuking of the following creatures (although weakened by losing three cleric levels): Undead, Fire, Water, Air, Earth, and Constructs.

This falls somewhat short of the master of commanding creatures that I am looking for. Does anyone have any build suggestions to make this more viable? The closer to core only the better, but I am willing to accept some out-of-the-box thinking.
#2
phaedrusxy
Jan 30, 2009 13:11:56 There is a Scalykind domain that lets you rebuke reptilian creatures, and isn't there a way to also get plants and animals? I think there were some feats in the old Masters of the Wild that let you do that, but it's been a while since I looked at it...

And can you actually retrain Knowledge to another domain?
#3
tos_shai_hulud
Jan 30, 2009 14:59:41
There is a Scalykind domain that lets you rebuke reptilian creatures, and isn't there a way to also get plants and animals? I think there were some feats in the old Masters of the Wild that let you do that, but it's been a while since I looked at it...

And can you actually retrain Knowledge to another domain?

By RAW, probably not, but I don't see why it would be that big of an issue. I mean, trading one domain for another is already legal. Why not allow a cloistered cleric to become a different type of cleric with an elemental domain instead? The cleric still has three domains, so balance should not be an issue.

But really, I am looking for ways to get additional domains, not for additional domains that grant rebuking (Slime is another one).
#4
tos_shai_hulud
Jan 30, 2009 16:59:06 Essentially, I am looking for ways of gaining additional domains. Contemplative obviously grants one, and offers a level of spellcasting, so that is a good choice. Are there other methods of gaining additional domains? Is there a good thread that describes this?

Edit: In addition, domain powers and turning/rebuking should increase, as well.
#5
Endarire
Jan 30, 2009 20:24:12 Divine Disciple (Player's Guide to Faerun) grants 1 extra domain at level 4.
#6
tos_shai_hulud
Jan 31, 2009 4:23:56 Any other suggestions?
#7
tos_shai_hulud
Feb 02, 2009 10:38:18 So Contemplative grants one bonus domain, the Divine Disciple grants another... and no one else has any suggestions?
#8
phaedrusxy
Feb 02, 2009 11:59:10 There is a consumable magic item that can give you the abilities of a domain temporarily, but I forget what it's called and what book it was from (I considered it crappy, and not worth remembering. :P ) Other than that, I think you've covered everything.
#9
sjiggie
Feb 02, 2009 18:21:58 It is domain draught its in the MiC under tools
#10
emy
Feb 02, 2009 18:39:22
There is a consumable magic item that can give you the abilities of a domain temporarily, but I forget what it's called and what book it was from (I considered it crappy, and not worth remembering. :P ) Other than that, I think you've covered everything.

I've given this some thought, since I was playing around with a "rebuke people to get minions" build a while ago, and came to the conclusion that it depends on whether your ability to Rebuke is checked constantly, or only when the Rebuke attempt is made.

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#1 tos_shai_hulud Jan 30, 2009 5:12:49	I'm interested in making a 1st level cleric of Tyranny. I'm looking for build options for maximizing the types of rebuking available to the cleric. One possibility would be a Sovereign Speaker from Faiths of Eberron. Beginning play as a Cloistered Cleric and retraining the Knowledge domain allows a second level cleric to have three domains that grant rebuking. Then as a Sovereign Speaker, one would only need 2 levels to get all of the possibilities from the prestige class (Arawai has Plant, Balinor has Air and Earth, Onatar has Fire and Warforged). That leaves Water unavailable, so the full complement of elemental domains is unavailable. Still, this is a suboptimal choice, as the cleric loses turn/rebuking ability for both of these levels as well as a level of cleric spellcasting. Seems like a poor choice for a cleric of tyranny, even if Eberron does allow lawful evil clerics to worship the Sovereign Host without losing their powers. Even a liberal interpretation of the rules such that the Dark Six is a part of the pantheon (as described that some followers believe that all fifteen gods comprise the Sovereign Host), that would only add the Water domain through the Devourer, and another lost level where rebuking doesn't increase. Still, this grants rebuking of the following creatures (although weakened by losing three cleric levels): Undead, Fire, Water, Air, Earth, and Constructs. This falls somewhat short of the master of commanding creatures that I am looking for. Does anyone have any build suggestions to make this more viable? The closer to core only the better, but I am willing to accept some out-of-the-box thinking.
#2 phaedrusxy Jan 30, 2009 13:11:56	There is a Scalykind domain that lets you rebuke reptilian creatures, and isn't there a way to also get plants and animals? I think there were some feats in the old Masters of the Wild that let you do that, but it's been a while since I looked at it... And can you actually retrain Knowledge to another domain?
#3 tos_shai_hulud Jan 30, 2009 14:59:41	There is a Scalykind domain that lets you rebuke reptilian creatures, and isn't there a way to also get plants and animals? I think there were some feats in the old Masters of the Wild that let you do that, but it's been a while since I looked at it... And can you actually retrain Knowledge to another domain? By RAW, probably not, but I don't see why it would be that big of an issue. I mean, trading one domain for another is already legal. Why not allow a cloistered cleric to become a different type of cleric with an elemental domain instead? The cleric still has three domains, so balance should not be an issue. But really, I am looking for ways to get additional domains, not for additional domains that grant rebuking (Slime is another one).
#4 tos_shai_hulud Jan 30, 2009 16:59:06	Essentially, I am looking for ways of gaining additional domains. Contemplative obviously grants one, and offers a level of spellcasting, so that is a good choice. Are there other methods of gaining additional domains? Is there a good thread that describes this? Edit: In addition, domain powers and turning/rebuking should increase, as well.
#5 Endarire Jan 30, 2009 20:24:12	Divine Disciple (Player's Guide to Faerun) grants 1 extra domain at level 4.
#6 tos_shai_hulud Jan 31, 2009 4:23:56	Any other suggestions?
#7 tos_shai_hulud Feb 02, 2009 10:38:18	So Contemplative grants one bonus domain, the Divine Disciple grants another... and no one else has any suggestions?
#8 phaedrusxy Feb 02, 2009 11:59:10	There is a consumable magic item that can give you the abilities of a domain temporarily, but I forget what it's called and what book it was from (I considered it crappy, and not worth remembering. :P ) Other than that, I think you've covered everything.
#9 sjiggie Feb 02, 2009 18:21:58	It is domain draught its in the MiC under tools
#10 emy Feb 02, 2009 18:39:22	There is a consumable magic item that can give you the abilities of a domain temporarily, but I forget what it's called and what book it was from (I considered it crappy, and not worth remembering. :P ) Other than that, I think you've covered everything. I've given this some thought, since I was playing around with a "rebuke people to get minions" build a while ago, and came to the conclusion that it depends on whether your ability to Rebuke is checked constantly, or only when the Rebuke attempt is made.