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#1
kyomon
Mar 26, 2008 23:04:30 My stats : 18 18 18 16 14 10 [ what a roll :D ]
What should i take ? [ Char lvl 9, gonna be a loooong party (maybe going to get lvl 18 / 20 aprox in the future) ]
My friends wants me to get dervish/sb/fighter... but, with thats stats, i thinking seriously on get a caster but i wanna get some ideas.

My party : Cleric lvl 9 / MoMF lvl 9 / warblade lvl 9 / and me.

Any recommendation ? [Flaws allowed]

Any book without Psions and Dragon Magazine.
#2
logicninja
Mar 26, 2008 23:20:38 You should make a Wizard. Your party needs an arcane caster.

Since they also need a skill/trapmonkey, you should make it a Rogue1/Wizard 5/Mindbender 1/Unseen Seer 2. Be a human and take Able Learning.
#3
pryor
Mar 26, 2008 23:38:10 If you're already willing to give up a caster level (per the Rogue suggestion), you might consider Ultimate Magus from Complete Mage, coupled with Beguiler. You'd cover Trapmonkey and serious arcane power that way, and with those stats be able to have great scores in Intelligence (for skills and spellcasting), Dexterity (for ranged attacks and skills) and Constitution (for survivability). Definitely take Able Learner.

Cheers,

Pryor
#4
vicen_korel
Mar 26, 2008 23:43:22 Heck with those stats hit up the Ultimate Magus with Bard and Wizard, maybe a dash of Master specialist at conjuration.
Spellbreaker song (C. Mage)
Imediate Magic (PHB2)
Melodic Casting
tattoo focus maybe... if you like the conjuration damage spells
Chain spell (great for spreading the healing)
Extend spell
Sculpt spell
Widen spell *a great mix with sculpt spell*
Residual magic tactical feat
Metamagic Vigor tactical feat

Tons of other great things to grab that list is just a grab bag of ideas.
#5
logicninja
Mar 26, 2008 23:49:10 an Ultimate Magus isn't a skilmonkey. Unseen Seer has several good shticks, picks up Spontaneous Divination, and can run around hidden with Darkstalker.

10 STR, 18 DEX, 18 CON, 18 INT, 14 WIS, 16 CHA.
#6
vicen_korel
Mar 26, 2008 23:50:50
My stats : 18 18 18 16 14 10 [ what a roll :D ]
What should i take ? [ Char lvl 9, gonna be a loooong party (maybe going to get lvl 18 / 20 aprox in the future) ]
My friends wants me to get dervish/sb/fighter... but, with thats stats, i thinking seriously on get a caster but i wanna get some ideas.

My party : Cleric lvl 9 / MoMF lvl 9 / warblade lvl 9 / and me.

Any recommendation ? [Flaws allowed]

Any book without Psions and Dragon Magazine.

No where in this do I see a requirement of skill monkey, and who needs skills when you have loads of spells?
#7
logicninja
Mar 26, 2008 23:52:50
No where in this do I see a requirement of skill monkey, and who needs skills when you have loads of spells?

The party does, that's who. The Unseen Seer is a solid caster that can take care of the party's trapfinding and skillmonkeying needs, too.
#8
vicen_korel
Mar 26, 2008 23:56:42 True I see what you are saying now. I like what pryor suggested too.
#9
x-codes
Mar 27, 2008 2:31:16 You don't ever "need" skills. A Beguiler/Ultimate Magus can serve plenty well as a trapmonkey. The Cleric then gets to play face, the Ranger Survivalist, and the Warblade Acrobat.
#10
22_Over_7
Mar 27, 2008 3:44:06 Skills don't typically consume daily resources. While there are many spells that can duplicate or exceed the effects of skills, the fact that they don't consume resources adds to the "party stamina", making a solid investment of skills to be highly worthwhile.
#11
vicen_korel
Mar 27, 2008 11:29:08 True 22 over 7, but Ulti Mag gets a lot of spells per day and some of those could be used with your various metamagics to last all day.
#12
mijitdragun_dup
Mar 27, 2008 11:32:29 If you want to cover some combat as well as casting, DEFINITELY Duskblade

If you want to cover rogue and casting, Beguiler

For just plain Arcane casting, Wizard ( Or for pure blasting fun, do an Evoker with Energy substitution and then go into Elemental Savant, using practiced spellcaster to cover lost caster levels )

If all else fails, just do whatever you feel is fun and powerful. Theres never anything wrong with playing what you enjoy.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 kyomon Mar 26, 2008 23:04:30	My stats : 18 18 18 16 14 10 [ what a roll :D ] What should i take ? [ Char lvl 9, gonna be a loooong party (maybe going to get lvl 18 / 20 aprox in the future) ] My friends wants me to get dervish/sb/fighter... but, with thats stats, i thinking seriously on get a caster but i wanna get some ideas. My party : Cleric lvl 9 / MoMF lvl 9 / warblade lvl 9 / and me. Any recommendation ? [Flaws allowed] Any book without Psions and Dragon Magazine.
#2 logicninja Mar 26, 2008 23:20:38	You should make a Wizard. Your party needs an arcane caster. Since they also need a skill/trapmonkey, you should make it a Rogue1/Wizard 5/Mindbender 1/Unseen Seer 2. Be a human and take Able Learning.
#3 pryor Mar 26, 2008 23:38:10	If you're already willing to give up a caster level (per the Rogue suggestion), you might consider Ultimate Magus from Complete Mage, coupled with Beguiler. You'd cover Trapmonkey and serious arcane power that way, and with those stats be able to have great scores in Intelligence (for skills and spellcasting), Dexterity (for ranged attacks and skills) and Constitution (for survivability). Definitely take Able Learner. Cheers, Pryor
#4 vicen_korel Mar 26, 2008 23:43:22	Heck with those stats hit up the Ultimate Magus with Bard and Wizard, maybe a dash of Master specialist at conjuration. Spellbreaker song (C. Mage) Imediate Magic (PHB2) Melodic Casting tattoo focus maybe... if you like the conjuration damage spells Chain spell (great for spreading the healing) Extend spell Sculpt spell Widen spell a great mix with sculpt spell Residual magic tactical feat Metamagic Vigor tactical feat Tons of other great things to grab that list is just a grab bag of ideas.
#5 logicninja Mar 26, 2008 23:49:10	an Ultimate Magus isn't a skilmonkey. Unseen Seer has several good shticks, picks up Spontaneous Divination, and can run around hidden with Darkstalker. 10 STR, 18 DEX, 18 CON, 18 INT, 14 WIS, 16 CHA.
#6 vicen_korel Mar 26, 2008 23:50:50	My stats : 18 18 18 16 14 10 [ what a roll :D ] What should i take ? [ Char lvl 9, gonna be a loooong party (maybe going to get lvl 18 / 20 aprox in the future) ] My friends wants me to get dervish/sb/fighter... but, with thats stats, i thinking seriously on get a caster but i wanna get some ideas. My party : Cleric lvl 9 / MoMF lvl 9 / warblade lvl 9 / and me. Any recommendation ? [Flaws allowed] Any book without Psions and Dragon Magazine. No where in this do I see a requirement of skill monkey, and who needs skills when you have loads of spells?
#7 logicninja Mar 26, 2008 23:52:50	No where in this do I see a requirement of skill monkey, and who needs skills when you have loads of spells? The party does, that's who. The Unseen Seer is a solid caster that can take care of the party's trapfinding and skillmonkeying needs, too.
#8 vicen_korel Mar 26, 2008 23:56:42	True I see what you are saying now. I like what pryor suggested too.
#9 x-codes Mar 27, 2008 2:31:16	You don't ever "need" skills. A Beguiler/Ultimate Magus can serve plenty well as a trapmonkey. The Cleric then gets to play face, the Ranger Survivalist, and the Warblade Acrobat.
#10 22_Over_7 Mar 27, 2008 3:44:06	Skills don't typically consume daily resources. While there are many spells that can duplicate or exceed the effects of skills, the fact that they don't consume resources adds to the "party stamina", making a solid investment of skills to be highly worthwhile.
#11 vicen_korel Mar 27, 2008 11:29:08	True 22 over 7, but Ulti Mag gets a lot of spells per day and some of those could be used with your various metamagics to last all day.
#12 mijitdragun_dup Mar 27, 2008 11:32:29	If you want to cover some combat as well as casting, DEFINITELY Duskblade If you want to cover rogue and casting, Beguiler For just plain Arcane casting, Wizard ( Or for pure blasting fun, do an Evoker with Energy substitution and then go into Elemental Savant, using practiced spellcaster to cover lost caster levels ) If all else fails, just do whatever you feel is fun and powerful. Theres never anything wrong with playing what you enjoy.