My DM announced that in 1 week there will be a big PvP battle (Deathmatch, Group, and Solo PvP)
The rules are:
Level 15 Characters
Level 15 Gold + 20% Bonus
Books: PH1, DMG, Song And Silence, Sword and Fist, Complete Arcane, Masters of the Wild, Defenders of the Faith.
I know 2 players are going to be Wizards / Sorcerers, 1 will be a Barbarian, 1 a Druid, 1 a Ranger, and the others are unknown.
I was hoping to build a Rogue, Shadow Dancer, Assassin, or Cleric.
If you are able to suggest a class or perhaps even a build. That would be much appreciated.
Thank you!
(Any more info you need, please let me know)
Another issue: what will the arena look like? Small arenas put a huge premium on acting first, whereas in big arenas buffing is very important.
My two cents: a non-spellcaster will be at a huge, huge disadvantage (unless the arena is extremely small).
Pixie
Warlock 11
6d6 EB .... unlimited uses
Greater Invisibility
Flight
DR 13/ Cold Iron
SR 26
without Spending any money
:D
I agree over all though that non-spellcasters are at a big disadvantage in PvP situations, unless you wanted to try and play a mage killer.
Not sure Warlock is in the books listed above,
Really OP stuff (like Candles) are likely to be banned,
3.5 rules,
It'd be basic items out of DMG
And does See Invisible work on Sneak / Hide?
Really OP stuff (like Candles) are likely to be banned,
3.5 rules,
It'd be basic items out of DMG
The Candle of Invocation was an extreme example. But there are other powerful, expendable magic items (scrolls of Time Stop or Gate or Mordenkainen's Disjunction or Maze or Forcecage [etc., etc.], Incense of Meditation, Dust of Disappearance, etc.).
Arena is medium sized,
Not sure Warlock is in the books listed above,
Really OP stuff (like Candles) are likely to be banned,
3.5 rules,
It'd be basic items out of DMG
And does See Invisible work on Sneak / Hide?
warlock is in complete arcane
see invisibility does not see you if you are hiding (as in hide the skill)
I would suggest wizard 5/mage of the arcane order7/arcmage 3 If you use a race with LA take out arcmage levels
I didn't bother reading the entry, but the usual suggestions are these:
1) Play a druid.
2) Play a cleric.
3) Buy a Candle of Invocation
4) Buy Dust of Sneezing and Choking
The books you've mentioned aren't, generally, at the top of a sneaky character's "must-have"s.
Incense of Meditation
I did NOT know about this. Coohool!
Ending with a tip: You can overheal yourself with summoned creatures with the Vivacious template or Plane Shifting yourslef to the Plane of Positive Energy for a spell (pun intended).
since you will be able to do a Lot of damage... and can Take a lot of damage WHILE in a Frenzy..... the problem come up when you finish your Rage.... then you might have killed everything else, but then Die at the end yourself
thats why i suggested the Pixie Warlock.... you stay out of reach... with unlimited Firepower... you will be the last one alive... even if facing a Frenzied Berserker
:D
- invisibility and other illusions? (the Hand of Glory from the DMG gives See Invisibility; Dust of Appearance works, but is expensive)
- flying opponents? (Boots of Flying work, but a flying mount can be even better)
- a faster opponent who wants to avoid melee? (again, a flying mount is a big help)
- a sneaky opponent with a high Hide check?
- an opponent who uses save-or-die spells targeting your Will save? (potions of Protection from Evil help somewhat)
- summoned monsters? (again, Protection from Evil helps)
- battlefield control spells like Solid Fog, Sleet Storm, Forcecage, etc.? (a Ring of Freedom of Movement helps in some cases)
Equipment is very, very important for a potential melee fighter at high levels.
Things to keep in mind. How are you going to deal with:
- invisibility and other illusions? (the Hand of Glory from the DMG gives See Invisibility; Dust of Appearance works, but is expensive)
- flying opponents? (Boots of Flying work, but a flying mount can be even better)
- a faster opponent who wants to avoid melee? (again, a flying mount is a big help)
- a sneaky opponent with a high Hide check?
- an opponent who uses save-or-die spells targeting your Will save? (potions of Protection from Evil help somewhat)
- summoned monsters? (again, Protection from Evil helps)
- battlefield control spells like Solid Fog, Sleet Storm, Forcecage, etc.? (a Ring of Freedom of Movement helps in some cases)
Equipment is very, very important for a potential melee fighter at high levels.
+1 VERY IMPORTANT
:D
Apparently my DM just allowed me to be my level 15 Frenzied Berserker. So now I need help on that, I'm almost certainly going Spiked Chains. Item suggestions would be great! :D
Pixie Frenzied Berserker? :D
Pixie Frenzied Berserker? :D
actually this was done many times.... with great success .... heres one by Rapidaback on 3-20-05:
Glip the Unseen Knee Reaver
Poster Name: Rapida
Race: Pixie
Class and Level: Barbarian 3/Fighter 3/Frenzied Berserker 10/Level Adjustment 4
System: 3.5
Short Description: The small creature with large pointy ears and beautiful gossamer wings stops its eating to glare at you, the intruder in its domain, then with a twitch it starts foaming at the mouth. You see it pick up a huge axe with a blade of energy before it’s gossamer wings flutter. Right as it starts a gigantic leap in your direction it disappears. You know well that fey are shy, reclusive people so you assume it has fled, but before that thought has even left your brain you feel something heavy hit your chest. You look down to see a large axe protruding from your ribcage and holding that axe is a psychopathic pixie. As everything fades away into darkness, you notice the enraged pixie standing protectively over its food......
Character Sheet:
Ability Scores:
Str: 17 (30)-4 racial, +4 levels, +2 bonus from armbands, +6 enhancement bonus, +5 Inherent bonus(Not factored in: +4 for rage, +10 for greater frenzy)
Dex:10(18)+8 racial,
Con:18(22)+4 inherent bonus(Not factored in:+4 for rage)
Int:8(14)+6 racial
Wis:8(12)+4 racial
Cha:8(14)+6 racial
Hit Points: 209 (225 while raging)
Armor Class: 35 (10+6 natural armor+4 dex+1 size+9 armor+5 deflection)(Not calculated: -4 for frenzy, -2 for rage, +1 against chosen opponent due to dodge)
Damage Reduction: 10/Cold Iron & 5/Adamantine
Saves:
Fortitude 24(13 base, 6 abi, +5 resistance)(+2 while raging)
Reflex 13(4 base, 4 abi, +5 resistance)
Will 12(6 base, 1 abi, +5 resistance)(+2 while raging)
Evasion:Any reflex for half is totally negated
Spell Resistance: 31 (15+class levels)
Initiative: +4
Speed: 30 Ft. land speed, 90 ft. fly speed (good)
Full Attack without rage/frenzy: 33/28/23/18 (16 bab, +1 size, +4 weapon, +10 strength, +2 for invisibility) d10+19*4 times(19-20/x3)
Full Attack while in rage + frenzy: 40/40/35/30/25(16 bab, 1 size, 4 weapon, 17 strength, 2 attack for invisibility) d10+29*5 times(19-20/x3)(25 for strength, +4 weapon)
*Attacks are resolved as touch attacks due to Brilliant Energy Weapon
-1 attack from power attack gives +4 damage, Max -16 gives +64
*If power attack greater than -3 then you can choose to have 10 ft reach. due to long axe
*If you make a 10 foot horizontal jump (DC 20 with no running start DC 10 with) and land so you can threaten your enemy the damage from your PA is tripled.
*If power attack greater than -2 then you get +2 extra damage due to bracers
Leap Attack with full power attack and rage/frenzy: +40 (16 bab, 1 size, 4 weapon, 17 stre, 2 invis) 1d10 +223 (19-20/x3)
Progression: Feats are bolded. Bonus Feats are underlined
01 Level Adjustment Pixie Abilities: Dodge feat, DR, SR
02 Level Adjustment Pixie Invisibility, Spell Like Abilities
03 Level Adjustment
04 Level Adjustment
05 Barb 1 Destructive Rage, Rage 1/day, Fast Movement
06 Ftr 1/Barb 1 Power Attack
07 Ftr 1/Barb 2 Intimidating Rage, Uncanny Dodge
08 Ftr 2/Barb 2 Improved Toughness
09 Ftr 2/Barb 3 Trap Sense +1
10 Ftr 3/Barb 3 Cleave
11 FBr 1/Ftr 3/Barb 3 Diehard, Frenzy 1/day
12 FBr 2/Ftr 3/Barb 3 Supreme Cleave
13 FBr 3/Ftr 3/Barb 3 Leap Attack,Frenzy 2/day
14 FBr 4/Ftr 3/Barb 3 Deathless Frenzy
15 FBr 5/Ftr 3/Barb 3 Frenzy 3/day, Improved Power Attack
16 FBr 6/Ftr 3/Barb 3 Inspire Frenzy 1/day
17 FBr 7/Ftr 3/Barb 3 EWP(Long Axe), Frenzy 4/day
18 FBr 8/Ftr 3/Barb 3 Greater Frenzy, Inspire Frenzy 2/day
19 FBr 9/Ftr 3/Barb 3 Frenzy 5/day
20 FBr 10/Ftr 3/Barb 3 Improved Critical(Great axe), Inspire Frenzy 3/day, Tireless Frenzy, Supreme Power Attack
Skills of Note:
Jump 28(19 ranks,-1 armor check, +10 strength)
Spells of Note:
Greater Invisibility: A pixie remains invisibility even when it attacks. This ability is constant, but the pixie can suppress or resume it as a free action.
Items of Note: Armbands of Might (CAdv 4100), Brilliant Energy Long Axe +4(DMG/CAdv 128335), Belt of Giant Strength +6 (DMG 36000), Manual of Gainful Exercise +5(DMG 137500), Shirt of Ironskin (MHB 90000), Heavy Fortification Chainshirt +5 (DMG 100250), Ring of Protection +5(DMG 50000), Ring of Evasion (DMG 25000), Manual of Bodily Exercise +4 (DMG 110000), Cloak of Resistance +5 (DMG 25000), Amulet of Natural Armor +5 (DMG 50000), Mace of Smiting(Back-Up weapon)(DMG 75312)
Gold left: 6503
What books are needed for this build? 3.5 SRD, Complete Warrior, and Complete Adventurer (Miniature’s Handbook for one item)
heres another one from the Pixie Handbook that i made:
Wildclaws
Feral Pixie
Fangshields Ranger 2/Fangshields Barbarian 3/Fist of the Forest 3/Frenzied berserker 8
:D
Things to keep in mind. How are you going to deal with:
- invisibility and other illusions? (the Hand of Glory from the DMG gives See Invisibility; Dust of Appearance works, but is expensive)
- flying opponents? (Boots of Flying work, but a flying mount can be even better)
- a faster opponent who wants to avoid melee? (again, a flying mount is a big help)
- a sneaky opponent with a high Hide check?
- an opponent who uses save-or-die spells targeting your Will save? (potions of Protection from Evil help somewhat)
- summoned monsters? (again, Protection from Evil helps)
- battlefield control spells like Solid Fog, Sleet Storm, Forcecage, etc.? (a Ring of Freedom of Movement helps in some cases)
Equipment is very, very important for a potential melee fighter at high levels.
Will do
Oh and my barbarian / frenzied has pounce... so charge / full attacks for me :D
Also, be mindful os using a build the other players already know, as it seems your case; this might just make you a target.
My own personal strategy (as a gish or a sneaky-gish, the types I usually like to play) would be to surprise your FB, sneak attack him for some damage and then run away with my magic (illusions, teleport, invisibility, flight - there are tons of ways to do it at 15th level), wait for your rage to end and then attack (dispelling all your magic before, of course).
Hmm, a frenzied berserker does not seem durable enough for an arena game, for me. A rogue could deal you gazillions of damage if he got you flat-footed (and he probably will), a Wizard could outright kill you with a simple save-or-die or even worse - a Large Fighter with a reach weapon could beat you at your own game pretty easily (S&F is in, and as such Large and In Charge).
Also, be mindful os using a build the other players already know, as it seems your case; this might just make you a target.
My own personal strategy (as a gish or a sneaky-gish, the types I usually like to play) would be to surprise your FB, sneak attack him for some damage and then run away with my magic (illusions, teleport, invisibility, flight - there are tons of ways to do it at 15th level), wait for your rage to end and then attack (dispelling all your magic before, of course).
Very good points, never saw it that way. How about this...
Rogue 5 / Assassin (10) For Hide in Plain Sight
Was hoping to go with a hidden crossbow (or just a regular bow) with Hunter Sight (60 feet Sneak Attacks) I would provoke sneak attacks with Quicker Than The Eye (Bluff to misdirect someone vs their spot, if the fail they are considered flat footed)
or
Ranger (6) / Ninja of the Crescent Moon (9) - No Hide in Plain Sight
I'm mostly worried that who ever wins initiative wins basically. It'd be nice to have a way to live the first round to Hide (even while observed) then sneak up and lay down the hurt.
Any other builds I can maybe use that someone has run into?
I'm mostly worried that who ever wins initiative wins basically.
this is the basic principle of Arena Tactics(All Tactics at higher levels) ... learn to accept it, and use it to your advantage
It'd be nice to have a way to live the first round to Hide (even while observed) then sneak up and lay down the hurt.
you need to win initiative ..... ;)
:D
For the Race not sure if he'd allow me to be a full on orc, he likes the core races.
I'm thinking of concentrating on lots of life so I can soak a lot of damage from the casters before the dust me with Disintegrate. So pump a lot into Con and maybe use some Spike Chains for Range after popping an Enlarge Person Pot.
I was thinking...
1 - Barbarian - Destructive Rage
2 - Fighter - Power Attack
3 - Fighter - Cleave, Intimidating Rage
4 - Fighter -
5 - Figther - Weapon Spec, Spiked Chain
6 - Barbarian - ? Feat
7 - FrB -
8 - FrB -
9 - FrB -
10 - FrB -
11 - FrB -
12 - ?
13 - ?
14 - ?
15 - ?
And items I'll just get lots of healing potions, maybe some fly, see invis, and enlarge, etc. Ontop of a good weapon and LOTS of con / str and will. I do have 240,000 gold to work with :P
any suggestions for the last 4 classes?
:D
Human
Barbarian 1/ Fighter 4/ Lasher 4/ Frenzied Berserker 6
Feats:
Exotic Weapon(Whip-Dagger)(human Bonus)
1st lvl: Destructive Rage
2nd lvl: Weapon Focus(Whip-Dagger) (Fighter Bonus)
3rd lvl: Power Attack, Cleave(Fighter Bonus)
5th lvl: Weapon Specialization(Whip-Dagger)(Fighter Bonus)
6th lvl: Intimidating Rage
7th lvl: Imp Trip(lasher Bonus)
9th lvl: Extra Rage
12th lvl: Knockdown
15th lvl: Two Weapon Fighting
use a Mighty Whip Dagger:
+4 Str bonus 525gp 1d6 19–20/
Edit: Due to the post below, I checked out the Lasher PrC, and dang, it's cool.
heres another thought.... try this:
Human
Barbarian 1/ Fighter 4/ Lasher 4/ Frenzied Berserker 6
A FB LASHER? Talk about exotic! Another creative and good build by carnivore, folks.
Mind if I mention the Dungeoncrasher variant Fighter? Just a tought.
No, we don't mind! But the books allowed will do, I'm sorry.
Human
Barbarian 1/ Fighter 4/ Lasher 4/ Frenzied Berserker 6
Feats:
Exotic Weapon(Whip-Dagger)(human Bonus)
1st lvl: Destructive Rage
2nd lvl: Weapon Focus(Whip-Dagger) (Fighter Bonus)
3rd lvl: Power Attack, Cleave(Fighter Bonus)
5th lvl: Weapon Specialization(Whip-Dagger)(Fighter Bonus)
6th lvl: Intimidating Rage
7th lvl: Imp Trip(lasher Bonus)
9th lvl: Extra Rage
12th lvl: Knockdown
15th lvl: Two Weapon Fighting
26 Str(17+3 levels +4 Belt +2 Arm)
20 Dex(14+4 Gloves +2 Arm)
20 Con(16 +4 Amulet)
8 Int
11 Wis
8 Cha
when Rage and Frenzy:
36 Str(17+3 levels +4 Belt +2 Arm +4 Rage +6 Frenzy)
20 Dex(14+4 Gloves +2 Arm)
24 Con(16 +4 Amulet +4 Rage)
8 Int
11 Wis
8 Cha
240000gp
Equipment
20000gp +1 Mithral Breastplate of Speed(Defenders of the Faith)
9205gp +1 Darkwood Buckler of Energy Drain(Defenders of the Faith)
16000gp +4 Belt of Str
16000gp +4 Gloves of Dex
16000gp +4 Amulet of Con
12800gp Arm of Nyr(Defenders of the Faith).... +2 Unnamed Str and +2 Unnamed Dex, and +2 Deflection to AC
108850gp 2x +1 Mighty(+13 Str bonus) Clouting(Complete Arcane) Mage Bane(Complete Arcane)Adamantine Whip Daggers
38000gp Scarab of Protection... SR 20 and absorb 12 energy-draining attacks, death effects, and negative energy effects.
3145gp left
AC 25 Base 10 + +5 Dex +6 Armor(+5 armor +1 Enhancement) +2 Shield(+1 Shield +1 Enhancement) +2 Deflection
BAB +15
Attack bonus when Rage and Frenzy:
BAB +15 +13 Str +1 Enhancement +1 Haste +1 Weapon Focus = +31 to hit(+33 vs arcane casters and Spl-like)
full attack when Rage and Frenzy with TWF :
+27/+27/+27/++22/+17
damage = 1d6(3.5 average) +2 Weapon Specialize +2 Lashing Whip +13 Str = 20 damage per hit.. + Trip and Fort save or knocked back and possible Stun...with 15' reach and attack adjacent
and can make Melee Touch Attack with Buckler that has Enervation effect as cast by 7th lvl wizard
this will give you Better Reach than any other Weapon.... and lots of options
this will give you more Rages, and they will last longer, and every time you hit for more than 10 points of Damage, you get a Free Trip Attack... also if you Charge and make a Trip Attack.... it will almost Guarantee an additional attack(after you trip them) @+4 hit ... this way you can Power Attack for huge Damage, and they will be Prone, and will Trigger another Attack if they try to stand up... also every attack requires Fort save or Knocked Back
:D
A FB LASHER? Talk about exotic! Another creative and good build by carnivore, folks.
thanks .. you are too kind
:D
actually this was done many times.... with great success .... heres one by Rapidaback on 3-20-05:
Glip the Unseen Knee Reaver
Oh wow. You made me laugh out loud at that. Man that must have been fun to RP! Character title is 25% of the build!
Btw Skead if you want a truly gruesome charger (without FB... but you could easily sub it in) check out Build #1 in the link in my sig