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Debuff with no save

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#1
tensius
Feb 06, 2009 15:05:30 Anyone have a list of debuffs for the target's saves, that doesn't offer any saves, and can effect ANY creature?

I don't want effects that are mind-affecting, because they can't affect creatures with protections/immunities (same goes for anything that requires you to be sickened, etc). I'm looking for anything: items, feats, spells/powers, class abilities, etc.

So far my list is short and consists of:
Limited Wish (spell, PHB): -7
Aleval School (feat, DotU): -2
Dark Companion (Hexblade variant, PH2): -2
Blackguard/Paladin of Tyranny (Prc/Paladin variant, DMG/UA): -2

Any WotC books allowed, including Dragon/Dungeon mags.
#2
carnivore
Feb 06, 2009 15:43:04 look here:

http://forums.gleemax.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-1002247

Unresistable debuffs
Dark Companion (hexblade phb2): -2 ac, saves.
Vestige: Focalor (Binder class or through feats) Aura of Sadness: -2 attack, Saves, Skills.
Aura of Despair (Black Guard or Paladin of Tyranny): -2 saves.
Aura of Fear (Ravager): -2 moral penalty to saves.

Misc Spells
Bane: -1 attack, saves.
Crushing Despair: -2 attack, damage, saves, ability checks, skill checks.
Bestow Curse: -4 Attack, Saves, Ability check, Skill checks.
Greater Bestow Curse: -8 Attack, Saves, Ability check, Skill checks.
Pronouncement of fate: -4 to attacks, damage, saves, +50% chance to lose actions on their turn.
Limited Wish: -7 to next saving throw.
Curse of Ill Fortune:-3 attack, saves, skill checks, ability checks.
Wave of Grief: -3 attack, saves, skill checks, and ability checks.
Wrathful castigation: Make 2 will saves, fail the first and the target dies, fail the 2nd, and the target gets -4 to saves.
Recitation:-2 attack, saves.
Battletide:-2 circumstance penalty to attack, damage, saves.

Misc
Hexblade curse (hexblade): -6 attack, damage, saves, ability checks, skill checks.
Seal Fate (fate spinner): -10 to a single roll, on a target with hd= to your class level or lower.
Feat: Netherese Battle curse: -2 attack, damage, saves, ability checks, skill checks.
Unnerving Fury (Corrupt Avenger): -4 attack, saves, skill checks, ability checks.
Curse of Tyche (Auspician): As bestow curse, but with a non-permanent duration.
Feat: Doomspeak: expend a bardic music use, target gets -10 to attack, saves, ability checks, skill checks for one round.
Feat: Aleval School:When you deal sneak attack or sudden strike damage, opponent takes -2 to one saving throw of your choice for one round.

:D
#3
jameswilliamogle
Feb 06, 2009 15:52:40 I was going to name the two vestiges, but it turns out those are [Mind] and [Fear] effects... grumble...
#4
tensius
Feb 06, 2009 16:53:34 Yeah, I've checked that post, but all those listed have saves :/ I listed the ones that doesn't have saves already. Was hoping someone knew additional ones.
#5
yawar
Feb 06, 2009 17:01:59 Prayer?

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#1 tensius Feb 06, 2009 15:05:30	Anyone have a list of debuffs for the target's saves, that doesn't offer any saves, and can effect ANY creature? I don't want effects that are mind-affecting, because they can't affect creatures with protections/immunities (same goes for anything that requires you to be sickened, etc). I'm looking for anything: items, feats, spells/powers, class abilities, etc. So far my list is short and consists of: Limited Wish (spell, PHB): -7 Aleval School (feat, DotU): -2 Dark Companion (Hexblade variant, PH2): -2 Blackguard/Paladin of Tyranny (Prc/Paladin variant, DMG/UA): -2 Any WotC books allowed, including Dragon/Dungeon mags.
#2 carnivore Feb 06, 2009 15:43:04	look here: http://forums.gleemax.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-1002247 Unresistable debuffs Dark Companion (hexblade phb2): -2 ac, saves. Vestige: Focalor (Binder class or through feats) Aura of Sadness: -2 attack, Saves, Skills. Aura of Despair (Black Guard or Paladin of Tyranny): -2 saves. Aura of Fear (Ravager): -2 moral penalty to saves. Misc Spells Bane: -1 attack, saves. Crushing Despair: -2 attack, damage, saves, ability checks, skill checks. Bestow Curse: -4 Attack, Saves, Ability check, Skill checks. Greater Bestow Curse: -8 Attack, Saves, Ability check, Skill checks. Pronouncement of fate: -4 to attacks, damage, saves, +50% chance to lose actions on their turn. Limited Wish: -7 to next saving throw. Curse of Ill Fortune:-3 attack, saves, skill checks, ability checks. Wave of Grief: -3 attack, saves, skill checks, and ability checks. Wrathful castigation: Make 2 will saves, fail the first and the target dies, fail the 2nd, and the target gets -4 to saves. Recitation:-2 attack, saves. Battletide:-2 circumstance penalty to attack, damage, saves. Misc Hexblade curse (hexblade): -6 attack, damage, saves, ability checks, skill checks. Seal Fate (fate spinner): -10 to a single roll, on a target with hd= to your class level or lower. Feat: Netherese Battle curse: -2 attack, damage, saves, ability checks, skill checks. Unnerving Fury (Corrupt Avenger): -4 attack, saves, skill checks, ability checks. Curse of Tyche (Auspician): As bestow curse, but with a non-permanent duration. Feat: Doomspeak: expend a bardic music use, target gets -10 to attack, saves, ability checks, skill checks for one round. Feat: Aleval School:When you deal sneak attack or sudden strike damage, opponent takes -2 to one saving throw of your choice for one round. :D
#3 jameswilliamogle Feb 06, 2009 15:52:40	I was going to name the two vestiges, but it turns out those are [Mind] and [Fear] effects... grumble...
#4 tensius Feb 06, 2009 16:53:34	Yeah, I've checked that post, but all those listed have saves :/ I listed the ones that doesn't have saves already. Was hoping someone knew additional ones.
#5 yawar Feb 06, 2009 17:01:59	Prayer?