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#1
Asteron
Feb 21, 2013 20:02:04 A friend of mine is going to roll up a druid for a campaign and he asked my advice. I gave him the standard natural spell answer, but there are definitely great options out there.

What are some ways to maximize wild shape? How about summoning?

He will be starting at level 2 and is leaning towards human. Ability scores haven't been rolled yet. Assume 28 on atm. Druids tend to be more SAD so other than his WIS, it shouldn't matter, right?
#2
draco1119
Feb 21, 2013 20:14:26
A friend of mine is going to roll up a druid for a campaign and he asked my advice. I gave him the standard natural spell answer, but there are definitely great options out there. What are some ways to maximize wild shape? How about summoning? He will be starting at level 2 and is leaning towards human. Ability scores haven't been rolled yet. Assume 28 on atm. Druids tend to be more SAD so other than his WIS, it shouldn't matter, right?

IIRC, Wis & Con are the only stats that matter after level 5. The only thing generally better than a druid is a druid/wizard/arcane heirophant, but that can get nasty. Easiest druid:

Human Druid
1) Spell Focus (Conjuration), Augmented Summoning
3) Extend Spell
6) Natural Spell

Honestly, he could take nothing but Toughness as his every other feat and be just fine. I wouldn't recommend it, though.
#3
Seeron
Feb 22, 2013 2:33:25 for such general questions, you will most likely find the answer in this thread www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=399.0 .
#4
Seeron
Feb 22, 2013 2:37:34 for such general questions, you will most likely find the answer in this thread www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=399.0 .
#5
EruditeApe
Feb 22, 2013 3:40:33 Quite simply, either druid 20 or Druid 10/Planar shepard 10, and then you really don't need to put any work into it. But, if you want, just maximize summoning and roflstomp.
#6
frost.fire
Feb 22, 2013 3:48:56 Definitly check those links, if you find nothing useful just go to the players handbook and randomly run your finger up and down the feat list, where it stops get those feats. Improved feint still makes your druid better then the competition
#7
Asteron
Feb 22, 2013 12:26:34 I've not read the handbook at Minmax, but I do know the basics of druiding... I have never played one personally, however, and I don't know the ins and outs of maximizing Wild Shape and summoning...
#8
Tempest_Stormwind
Feb 22, 2013 12:35:44
I've not read the handbook at Minmax, but I do know the basics of druiding... I have never played one personally, however, and I don't know the ins and outs of maximizing Wild Shape and summoning...

The handbook will tell you all you want to know.

Minmaxing wild shape is largely a matter of having Natural Spell and reading animal entries. Some (such as the dire tortoise) contain some pretty sick surprises. Others (such as the big cats, bears, or the right dinosaurs) are more conventional choices. Some of the same things that make animal companions desirable also show up in wild shape (for instance, the fleshraker dinosaur - probably the best overall animal companion choice, at least in terms of effort it takes to get as big a bang - also makes a decent wild shape), but this tends to break down as your levels increase.

Minmaxing summoning is a bit trickier and can go in a number of ways depending on what you want to do. It's also discussed in the thread. (Examples: Ashbound, Greenbound Summoning, and Rashemi Elemental Summoning are all decent places to start a search). It typically doens't require much effort either, particularly if you stick to druid 20 or druid 10 / planar shepherd 10.
#9
Asteron
Feb 22, 2013 13:05:48 I already forwarded him to the handbook... It does indeed have all the info ever needed.
#10
awaken_D_M_golem
Feb 22, 2013 14:29:20 You could snag the Divine Minion template early on (scroll down).
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...

Some of them are LA+1 and then buy it off.
Course you're kinda restricted on wildshaping,
not that a Druid can't handle a little restricting.

#11
Asteron
Feb 22, 2013 14:49:55 Did you mean to link a 4e topic?
#12
vortsukoto
Feb 22, 2013 18:49:15 When it comes to optimizing a character, I always look through the MinMax handbooks for possibilities. If nothing else, no one insults you for doing it.
#13
RogerWilco
Feb 24, 2013 12:56:56
The only thing generally better than a druid is a druid/wizard/arcane heirophant, but that can get nasty.

If he needs advice to play a druid, then going Arcane Hierophant isn't a good idea. An AH can be more powerful than straight druid, but only if played well. Straight druid is always a powerhouse.
#14
Seeron
Feb 25, 2013 11:11:41 i love druids , but never heard of a way playing arcane hierophant in a powerlevel same to druid. can some1 clarify for me, how the "good" way to play AH is?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Asteron Feb 21, 2013 20:02:04	A friend of mine is going to roll up a druid for a campaign and he asked my advice. I gave him the standard natural spell answer, but there are definitely great options out there. What are some ways to maximize wild shape? How about summoning? He will be starting at level 2 and is leaning towards human. Ability scores haven't been rolled yet. Assume 28 on atm. Druids tend to be more SAD so other than his WIS, it shouldn't matter, right?
#2 draco1119 Feb 21, 2013 20:14:26	A friend of mine is going to roll up a druid for a campaign and he asked my advice. I gave him the standard natural spell answer, but there are definitely great options out there. What are some ways to maximize wild shape? How about summoning? He will be starting at level 2 and is leaning towards human. Ability scores haven't been rolled yet. Assume 28 on atm. Druids tend to be more SAD so other than his WIS, it shouldn't matter, right? IIRC, Wis & Con are the only stats that matter after level 5. The only thing generally better than a druid is a druid/wizard/arcane heirophant, but that can get nasty. Easiest druid: Human Druid 1) Spell Focus (Conjuration), Augmented Summoning 3) Extend Spell 6) Natural Spell Honestly, he could take nothing but Toughness as his every other feat and be just fine. I wouldn't recommend it, though.
#3 Seeron Feb 22, 2013 2:33:25	for such general questions, you will most likely find the answer in this thread www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=399.0 .
#4 Seeron Feb 22, 2013 2:37:34	for such general questions, you will most likely find the answer in this thread www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=399.0 .
#5 EruditeApe Feb 22, 2013 3:40:33	Quite simply, either druid 20 or Druid 10/Planar shepard 10, and then you really don't need to put any work into it. But, if you want, just maximize summoning and roflstomp.
#6 frost.fire Feb 22, 2013 3:48:56	Definitly check those links, if you find nothing useful just go to the players handbook and randomly run your finger up and down the feat list, where it stops get those feats. Improved feint still makes your druid better then the competition
#7 Asteron Feb 22, 2013 12:26:34	I've not read the handbook at Minmax, but I do know the basics of druiding... I have never played one personally, however, and I don't know the ins and outs of maximizing Wild Shape and summoning...
#8 Tempest_Stormwind Feb 22, 2013 12:35:44	I've not read the handbook at Minmax, but I do know the basics of druiding... I have never played one personally, however, and I don't know the ins and outs of maximizing Wild Shape and summoning... The handbook will tell you all you want to know. Minmaxing wild shape is largely a matter of having Natural Spell and reading animal entries. Some (such as the dire tortoise) contain some pretty sick surprises. Others (such as the big cats, bears, or the right dinosaurs) are more conventional choices. Some of the same things that make animal companions desirable also show up in wild shape (for instance, the fleshraker dinosaur - probably the best overall animal companion choice, at least in terms of effort it takes to get as big a bang - also makes a decent wild shape), but this tends to break down as your levels increase. Minmaxing summoning is a bit trickier and can go in a number of ways depending on what you want to do. It's also discussed in the thread. (Examples: Ashbound, Greenbound Summoning, and Rashemi Elemental Summoning are all decent places to start a search). It typically doens't require much effort either, particularly if you stick to druid 20 or druid 10 / planar shepherd 10.
#9 Asteron Feb 22, 2013 13:05:48	I already forwarded him to the handbook... It does indeed have all the info ever needed.
#10 awaken_D_M_golem Feb 22, 2013 14:29:20	You could snag the Divine Minion template early on (scroll down). community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... Some of them are LA+1 and then buy it off. Course you're kinda restricted on wildshaping, not that a Druid can't handle a little restricting.
#11 Asteron Feb 22, 2013 14:49:55	Did you mean to link a 4e topic?
#12 vortsukoto Feb 22, 2013 18:49:15	When it comes to optimizing a character, I always look through the MinMax handbooks for possibilities. If nothing else, no one insults you for doing it.
#13 RogerWilco Feb 24, 2013 12:56:56	The only thing generally better than a druid is a druid/wizard/arcane heirophant, but that can get nasty. If he needs advice to play a druid, then going Arcane Hierophant isn't a good idea. An AH can be more powerful than straight druid, but only if played well. Straight druid is always a powerhouse.
#14 Seeron Feb 25, 2013 11:11:41	i love druids , but never heard of a way playing arcane hierophant in a powerlevel same to druid. can some1 clarify for me, how the "good" way to play AH is?