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#1 bobafettpixie Dec 04, 2008 17:20:55	I'm looking to optimize an ECL 8 hide-based pixie for arena type session (basically making social skills moot on utility...Combat environnement changes every fight, so he might be as likely to fight around an active volcanoe as he might fight in the forest) Any 3.5 Materials+Vile Darkness+MMII allowed. Basically, i was going for a character no one could ever, EVER find. With potions of sneaking, a cloak of elven kind, very high dex, alchemical blend cream, camouflage kit and all possible stackable hide bonuses one can muster. Even if someone could see through invis, this character's natural hide skills would make him untrackable and untargettable. Move silently is also welcomed, as at least one of the other players is a shapechanging druid using a Desmondu Bat(sp?) 120ft blindsense and +12 mod to listen. Of course, Darkstalker feat is a must, but after that, i'll admit any suggestions are welcome. I was considering weapon focus (crossbow) and Crossbow Sniper but at lower levels i'm guessing there might be better feats to take. My current build is a pixie rogue 2, paladin of tyranny 2, heading for hexblade and blackguards for full BAB and 3x charisma bonus to saves, coupled with mettle and evasion, but i am opened to suggestions as far as optimizing his level advancements, or a build that only comes to optimization at ECL 9-11ish. (basically every 3 victories nets our characters an extra level. Averaging 3-5 battles per arena tournaments.) the skills are 32 point buy, and considering putting everything into dex and charisma. Things to consider are the fact that he might very well be matched up against any kind of characters in the future. Gold allocation is 8-25k, lower the better. One shot items like potions can be considered, but keep in mind the build has to survive about 5 fights, all taking place in the same day (so potions that last like 5 minutes arent all that usefull..) I've read the pixie handbook and found numerous pointers, but most arent rogue-based. Any suggestions, or pointers? Thanks!
#2 vglcat Dec 04, 2008 18:20:49	well i suggest asking the great carnivore himself. did you consider that? huh did you?:P also just so i know a little more about the situation do you know any thing about your opponets? (even like if they might be playing xxxxx) and are you trying to build this to win or for the heck of it? also do you expect to win? (this deosent mean you will lose even though it implies it)
#3 DeAnno Dec 04, 2008 20:19:42	In Tome of Magic, a continuous Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis confers the Dark Template on its wearer for 22 kgp. This is a huge chunk of your gold, but it confers: Hide In Plain Sight, anywhere except natural daylight or a daylight spell. Hide +8, Move Silently +6, +10 to all Speeds (all untyped) Superior LLV Darkvision 60 Resistance to Cold 10 This might be worth it, as combined with Darkstalker it lets you hide from anything in any circumstance as long as you can avoid daylight. As weird as it sounds, it might actually be worth it to eat another +1 LA for the template instead of the 22kgp, but it's your call.
#4 vglcat Dec 04, 2008 20:22:42	if anyone can have fun with fey (other than carnivore) it's DeAnno. see can you optimize a ghost pixie wizard:D
#5 frerezar Dec 05, 2008 9:46:53	isn't there a psionic power that makes you basically unperceivable by a single subject? that might help. Other than that I agree with the dark creature template thing. Maybe go into swordsage for those 'get out of the way' manuvers if something goes arry.
#6 carnivore Dec 05, 2008 16:49:23	the nice thing about Pixies... is the Constant Greater Invisiblity... this gives Total Concealment... which allows you to always hide even in plain Sight... and If you are invisible, you gain a +40 bonus on Hide checks if you are immobile, or a +20 bonus on Hide checks if you’re moving. next try this with your stackable bonuses ... ECL 8 : Pixie 4/ Marshal 2/ Psychic Warrior 3 Attributes(32pt buy): 10 Str(14 -4 Racial) 24 Dex(15 +8 Racial +1 lvl) 14 Con(14) 14 Int(8+6 Racial) 18 Wis(14+4 Racial) 20 Cha(14 +6 Racial) Feats: Dodge(pixie bonus) Alertness(pixie bonus) Weapon Finnesse(pixie bonus) Skill Focus(Diplomacy)(marshal bonus) Weapon Focus(throwing Axe) (PW bonus) Point Blank Shot(PW bonus) 1st lvl: Darkstalker 3rd lvl: Knowledge Devotion Psionics: PP = Base 3 +6 Wis = 9 PP Powers Known: 1st lvl: Chameleon ....... +10 Enhancement to Hide, 30 min for 1 PP Compression ..... -2 Str, +2 Dex, +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +1 size bonus to Armor Class... stack with existing Size bonuses, Tiny size gives +8 to Hide checks.... overlaps normal size bonus to Hide,.... 3 Min for 3 PP, or 3 rounds for 1 PP Force Screen ..... +4 Shield bonus to AC, 3 min for 1 PP Marshal Auras: Motivate Dexterity: Circumstance Bonus on Dexterity checks, Dexterity-based skill checks, and initiative checks = Cha bonus Steady Hand: +1 circumstance Bonus on ranged attack rolls. Skills: .... 42 ranks 8 ranks Hide 8 ranks Move Silently 1 rank Knowledge(Arcana) 1 rank Knowledge(Dungeoneering) 5 ranks Knowledge(Local) 1 rank Knowledge(Nature) 1 rank Knowledge(Religion) 1 rank Knowledge(The planes) 5 ranks Tumble(cross classed ... 10 skill points) 5 ranks Spot 1 rank Listen equipment: Equipment 1250gp 5x 250 gp Elixir of Hiding: A character drinking this liquid gains an intuitive ability to hide (+10 competence bonus on Hide checks for 1 hour). 1250gp 5x 250 gp Elixir of Sneaking: This draught of liquid grants the drinker the ability to walk softly and dampens sound around her slightly, granting a +10 competence bonus on Move Silently checks for 1 hour. 2100gp +1 Mithral Chain Shirt 2000gp Handy Haversack spend the rest on weapons: Throwing Axes and Alchemical Items

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bobafettpixie

Dec 04, 2008 17:20:55

I'm looking to optimize an ECL 8 hide-based pixie for arena type session (basically making social skills moot on utility...Combat environnement changes every fight, so he might be as likely to fight around an active volcanoe as he might fight in the forest)

Any 3.5 Materials+Vile Darkness+MMII allowed.

Basically, i was going for a character no one could ever, EVER find. With potions of sneaking, a cloak of elven kind, very high dex, alchemical blend cream, camouflage kit and all possible stackable hide bonuses one can muster. Even if someone could see through invis, this character's natural hide skills would make him untrackable and untargettable. Move silently is also welcomed, as at least one of the other players is a shapechanging druid using a Desmondu Bat(sp?) 120ft blindsense and +12 mod to listen.

Of course, Darkstalker feat is a must, but after that, i'll admit any suggestions are welcome. I was considering weapon focus (crossbow) and Crossbow Sniper but at lower levels i'm guessing there might be better feats to take.

My current build is a pixie rogue 2, paladin of tyranny 2, heading for hexblade and blackguards for full BAB and 3x charisma bonus to saves, coupled with mettle and evasion, but i am opened to suggestions as far as optimizing his level advancements, or a build that only comes to optimization at ECL 9-11ish. (basically every 3 victories nets our characters an extra level. Averaging 3-5 battles per arena tournaments.)

the skills are 32 point buy, and considering putting everything into dex and charisma. Things to consider are the fact that he might very well be matched up against any kind of characters in the future. Gold allocation is 8-25k, lower the better. One shot items like potions can be considered, but keep in mind the build has to survive about 5 fights, all taking place in the same day (so potions that last like 5 minutes arent all that usefull..)

I've read the pixie handbook and found numerous pointers, but most arent rogue-based.

Any suggestions, or pointers? Thanks!

vglcat

Dec 04, 2008 18:20:49

well i suggest asking the great carnivore himself. did you consider that? huh did you?:P
also just so i know a little more about the situation do you know any thing about your opponets? (even like if they might be playing xxxxx) and are you trying to build this to win or for the heck of it?
also do you expect to win? (this deosent mean you will lose even though it implies it)

DeAnno

Dec 04, 2008 20:19:42

In Tome of Magic, a continuous Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis confers the Dark Template on its wearer for 22 kgp. This is a huge chunk of your gold, but it confers:

Hide In Plain Sight, anywhere except natural daylight or a daylight spell.
Hide +8, Move Silently +6, +10 to all Speeds (all untyped)
Superior LLV
Darkvision 60
Resistance to Cold 10

This might be worth it, as combined with Darkstalker it lets you hide from anything in any circumstance as long as you can avoid daylight.

As weird as it sounds, it might actually be worth it to eat another +1 LA for the template instead of the 22kgp, but it's your call.

vglcat

Dec 04, 2008 20:22:42

if anyone can have fun with fey (other than carnivore) it's DeAnno. see can you optimize a ghost pixie wizard:D

frerezar

Dec 05, 2008 9:46:53

isn't there a psionic power that makes you basically unperceivable by a single subject? that might help. Other than that I agree with the dark creature template thing. Maybe go into swordsage for those 'get out of the way' manuvers if something goes arry.

carnivore

Dec 05, 2008 16:49:23

the nice thing about Pixies... is the Constant Greater Invisiblity... this gives Total Concealment... which allows you to always hide even in plain Sight... and If you are invisible, you gain a +40 bonus on Hide checks if you are immobile, or a +20 bonus on Hide checks if you’re moving.

next try this with your stackable bonuses ... ECL 8 :

Pixie 4/ Marshal 2/ Psychic Warrior 3

Attributes(32pt buy):

10 Str(14 -4 Racial)
24 Dex(15 +8 Racial +1 lvl)
14 Con(14)
14 Int(8+6 Racial)
18 Wis(14+4 Racial)
20 Cha(14 +6 Racial)

Feats:
Dodge(pixie bonus)
Alertness(pixie bonus)
Weapon Finnesse(pixie bonus)
Skill Focus(Diplomacy)(marshal bonus)
Weapon Focus(throwing Axe) (PW bonus)
Point Blank Shot(PW bonus)
1st lvl: Darkstalker
3rd lvl: Knowledge Devotion

Psionics:
PP = Base 3 +6 Wis = 9 PP

Powers Known:
1st lvl:
Chameleon ....... +10 Enhancement to Hide, 30 min for 1 PP
Compression ..... -2 Str, +2 Dex, +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +1 size bonus to Armor Class... stack with existing Size bonuses, Tiny size gives +8 to Hide checks.... overlaps normal size bonus to Hide,.... 3 Min for 3 PP, or 3 rounds for 1 PP
Force Screen ..... +4 Shield bonus to AC, 3 min for 1 PP

Marshal Auras:
Motivate Dexterity: Circumstance Bonus on Dexterity checks, Dexterity-based skill checks, and initiative checks = Cha bonus

Steady Hand: +1 circumstance Bonus on ranged attack rolls.

Skills: .... 42 ranks
8 ranks Hide
8 ranks Move Silently
1 rank Knowledge(Arcana)
1 rank Knowledge(Dungeoneering)
5 ranks Knowledge(Local)
1 rank Knowledge(Nature)
1 rank Knowledge(Religion)
1 rank Knowledge(The planes)
5 ranks Tumble(cross classed ... 10 skill points)
5 ranks Spot
1 rank Listen

equipment:

Equipment

1250gp 5x 250 gp Elixir of Hiding: A character drinking this liquid gains an intuitive ability to hide (+10 competence bonus on Hide checks for 1 hour).

1250gp 5x 250 gp Elixir of Sneaking: This draught of liquid grants the drinker the ability to walk softly and dampens sound around her slightly, granting a +10 competence bonus on Move Silently checks for 1 hour.

2100gp +1 Mithral Chain Shirt
2000gp Handy Haversack

spend the rest on weapons: Throwing Axes and Alchemical Items