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#1 blightersbane May 29, 2009 21:20:30	Hey guys I was looking at the books for a class I had never played before and I ran across the Elocater. It looks really cool at first, not touching the ground and all the good stuff that in and of itself could offer. The bonus manifester levels, the flanks and feats ohh a lot of goodies. But then I was thinking if your a Psion your BAB sucks, if your a psy warrior your powers are limited so either way, your a Elocater thats not good in combat or and elocater that is good in combat, given situational mods, albeit w/ 7/10 of powers. Cool tricks I could think of right off the bat: 1) is to 1 level dip into the class,get some goodies w/ no level loss 2) catrops, ohh they are your friend, get all you can pack into a bag of holding and watch the bad guys limp as you attack their hapless flanks. 3) grease! Whats your experience with the Elocater, good, bad or ugly? How to optimize your Elocater? Blightersbane
#2 phaedrusxy May 29, 2009 21:31:18	It works well as an enabler for a rogue/psion build, but your manifesting will suffer. It also goes well with Warmind, and Ardent builds, as they are both more tolerant of lost manifester levels.
#3 blightersbane May 29, 2009 21:45:01	Apparently our gaming group likes gestaulting and start new campaigns every couple of months and revisit them for a few sessions here and there. So now I wanted to find a off-the-wall build, and when I saw this class, BINGO! But as a striaght non gestault campaign I thought just a dip into the elocater. combo of some of the following psion / monk / spiked chain or spear / elocater / rogue / scout / fighter ? aahhh heck with gestalt it would take more thought. Blightersbane
#4 phaedrusxy May 29, 2009 21:49:18	Check this out: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=346.msg6539#msg6539 Although I'd definitely do that build using Ardent, now. I might try to work up a detailed ardent version, if I have time (which isn't likely, lol).
#5 Senevri May 30, 2009 0:07:29	Hmm. Elocater, generally seen as sub-par due to ML loss... Elan Soulknife 4/Egoist 1/Elocater 1/Soulknife +2/Egoist +6/Crystal Master 6 is thematically amusing, but in power more like a straight warlock than anything else. But... Opportunistic Strike is very good, Scorn Earth is 10ft flying speed, too. Flanker can be gotten with feats, effectively, but not bad... Capricious step may seem like an okay ability, but actually synergizes with abilities like Battle Dancing which requires 10ft of movement The thing to notice, is basically that Elocater is meant to be a high-speed melee striker, which incidentally happens to progress manifesting a bit. Combine 2x 5ft. step with a reach weapon, Opportunistic Strike with, say, Rogue's Opportunist ability (doable, tight), and expert tactician and vexing flanker... and we're looking at something that ports within reach of an opponent with +10 to hit over BAB, and who gets to hit the target AGAIN after your flanking buddy hits them, with the same +10 bonus. Oh, and there's a feat that removes the cap from Opportunist ability. Rogue 10/Warmind 2/Elocater 8, doable? Is there a way to get Opportunist cheaper? Oh my, there's a rather nice build lurking there somewhere. Maybe something with Warblade/War Mind base, using white raven to give your flanking buddy an attack as a swift action, before your own strike?
#6 blightersbane May 30, 2009 19:29:41	speed build? with good threat range spear/spiked chain gestault level progression 1 barbarian / 11 scout / 9 monk / 5 psion (telepath?) / 10 elocater / 4 fighter barbarian fast movement 10 / scout +10'fast movement-stacks because its +10?, 11th level scout +20' fast move / 9th monk +30' move / +10 speed of thought /+30' base = 110' move and by the way why isnt the monks "bonus move" considered supernatural? if it was boots of speed or haste would have this guy moven even faster! As far as the Psion goes I know the psy warrior would mesh well with monk but the limited powers and limited power pionts and at 5th level only 1 feat difference...Also this build you would think picking nomad would be hands down the decision. I just think that elocater has to many of same powers already in there. Add on VoP coupled with expanded knowledge feat to gain call weapon power from psy warrior and you have a guy that can summon any temporary magical weapon of his choice, note the power doesnt disallow exotic weps, large weps etc so summoning a spiked chain, long composite bow or elven courtblade etc. Since its a temp wep it meshes well w/ VoP. im sure this build is sub optimal but what a cool pc this guy could be, just a guy in a set of every day robes and homely slippers, nothing to look twice at Blightersbane
#7 phaedrusxy May 30, 2009 20:25:57	The monk's bonus is an enhancement bonus, above a certain level. So it is magical, and won't stack with other enhancement bonuses to speed. And this is a gestalt, and yet you abandoned your psion progression? Hell, you don't even come close to full progression. That's just silly. Alternate Psion levels opposite the Elocater levels that don't progress manifesting, to keep full manifesting, and dump whatever you can't fit in from doing that. None of the other things you have in there are even remotely as good as full manifesting. Nomad is the worst discipline to enter Elocater with because as you said, you get the best powers from the PrC anyway. Egoist is probably the best, as you'll be focusing on buffing for combat.
#8 blightersbane May 30, 2009 21:36:44	I wasnt picking the build for max powers but maxed out speed with a off the vibe.
#9 Endarire Jun 02, 2009 18:01:44	Look in the Hood for a similar philosophy.
#10 mister_crowley Jun 03, 2009 2:53:08	I'm glad you posted this, I've been looking at the Elocator for a while trying to find a way to optimize it. Long story short, after hours of going over every optimized build I could they're just plain underpowered. The PrC itself needs to undergo a complete overhaul. I'd put my time and energy into revamping it and convincing your DM to allow it ;)