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#1
sjiggie
Apr 01, 2008 9:57:09 Hey guys,

I'm designing a Epic character focusing on combining the monk with Psionics now I'm kinda stuck with a few things:
A way to boost his attack mod with his unarmed strike
I could use some advice for his powers did I make the right selection
Feats again here are the feat choices optimized Note: I can take 4 flaws for extra feats 2 at start, 1 at 10th and 1 at 20th I'm considering Improved Disarm at 1st and Psionic Meditation at 20th any better suggestions?
Equipment I have 2.1 million available any suggestions here.

Thanks in advance here is my build with the character creation guidelines

Starting level 25 halfway to 26
Abilities: 40 point buy
Starting Gold: 2,100,000 gp
Magic Item Compendium and Weapons of Legacy are available to purchase from
No XP Penalties!
Feats are gained at the 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, and every odd level after that.
Able Learner is a bonus to all characters.

Cerebral knight: As Eldritch Knight but the first level bonus feat can be a Fighter Bonus Feat or Psionic Feat, level 2-10 improve an existing manifesting class instead of spellcasting. Replace Knowledge Arcana and Spellcraft with Knowledge Psionics and Psicraft.

Ascetic Psion doesn’t require Narrow Mind as prerequisite

Draconic Metamorphosis as Draconic Polymorph but as a 5th level Egoist Power

Tiefling Monk 1/Psion 6/Cerebral Knight 3/Slayer 10/Mindbender 1/Epic Slayer 4

Stats
STR...14 [+02]...(00 pts +6 Enchantment)
DEX...16 [+03]...(00 pts +2 Tiefling +6 Enchantment)
CON...27 [+08]...(10 pts +6 Enchantment +5 Tome)
INT...41 [+15]...(16 pts +2 Tiefling +4 Insight (Reality Revision) +6 Levels +6 Enchantment +5 Tome)
WIS...20 [+05]...(06 pts +6 Enchantment)
CHA...24 [+07]...(08 pts -2 Tiefling +6 Enchantment +5 Tome)

Saves:
Fort +19 [2 Monk +2 Psion +3 Cerebral Knight +3 Slayer +2 Epic +8 Con]
Refl +13 [2 Monk +2 Psion +1 Cerebral Knight +3 Slayer +2 Epic +3 Dex]
Will +22 [2 Monk +5 Psion +1 Cerebral Knight +7 Slayer +2 Epic +5 Wis]

Attacks:
Unarmed Strike +22/+17/+12/+7 2d10+13 20/x2 Bludgeoning
19 Bab +2 Str +1 Epic Prowess, Int to damage: Combat Insight
Greater Flurry +22/+22/+22/+17/+12/+7 2d10+13 20/x2 Bludgeoning
19 Bab +2 Str +1 Epic Prowess, Int to damage: Combat Insight

Psionic Powers
Manifester Level: 25
PP: 493 343 Psion 150 Int

Psion Powers: Noted with EK are through Expanded Knowledge and noted with PC with Psychic Chirurgery
[DC 24] 1 – Expansion^PC Vigor, Offensive Precognition, Defensive Precognition, Entangling Ectoplasm, Inertial Armor, Thicken Skin
[DC 25] 2 – Damp Power, Ego Whip, Inflict Pane, Psionic Lion’s Charge^PC Share Pain
[DC 26] 3 – Hustle, Dispel Psionics, Psionic Blast, Touchsight
[DC 27] 4 – Psionic Dimension Door, Energy Adaption, Intellect Fortress, Metamorphosis, Schism^EK Telekinetic Maneuver
[DC 28] 5 – Adapt Body, Psionic True Seeing, Power Resistance, Draconic Metamorphosis, Psychofeedback
[DC 29] 6 – Psionic Contingency, Psionic Disintegrate, Dispelling Buffer^EK Psionic Restoration, Overland Flight, Temporal Accelaration
[DC 30] 7 – Divert Teleport, Fission, Personal Mind Blank
[DC 31] 8 – Fusion, Psionic Iron Body, Planar Embrace, True Metabolism, Shadow Body
[DC 32] 9 – Assimilate, Greater Metamorphosis, Reality Revision

Feats:
Combat Expertise^{Level 1}
Knowledge Devotion^{Level 3}Make knowledge check gain bonus to hit and damage
Ascetic Psion^{Level 5}Monk and Psion levels stack for AC bonus refocus as a standard action
Metamorphic Transfer^{Level 7}You can gain a supernatural ability of a metamorphed form
Tashalatora^{Level 9}Slayer levels stack with monk for AC bonus Flurry attacks and unarmed damage
Quicken Power^{Level 11}Add Expansion to powers known
Expanded Knowledge (Schism)^{Level 13}Manifest one power as a swift action +6pp
Psionic Fist^{Level 15}Expend focus unarmed strike or natural attack deals 2d6 extra damage
Unavoidable Strike^{Level 17}Make an unarmed strike or natural attack as a touch attack
Power Attack^{Level 19}
Epic Psionic Focus^{Level 21}Expend 1 Psionic Focus and use 2 feats
Multipower^{Level 23}Cast 2 quickened powers in 1 round
Mindsight^{Level 25}Detect non-mindless beings within telepathy range as blindsense
Psicrystal Affinity^{Psion 1}Gain a Psicrystal
Psicrystal Containment^{Psion 5}Psicrystal can hold a Psionic Focus
Improved Unarmed Strike^{Monk 1}
Monastic Training (Slayer)^{Monk 1}Can freely multiclass between slayer and monk
Practised Manifester^{Cerebral Knight 1}+4 Manifester level
Epic Prowess^{Slayer 11}+1 Bonus on all Attack Rolls
Combat Insight^{Slayer 14}Int to damage instead of Strength
Track^{Flaw: Inattentive: –4 Perception}
Expended Knowledge (Dispelling Buffer)^{Flaw @20th: Shaky –2 Ranged attacks}Add Psionic Lion’s Charge to powers known
Able Learner ^{DM Bonus}

Skills:
Monk: 36 Psion: 42 Cerebral Knight: 24 Slayer level 1-6: 60 Slayer level 7-9: 33 Slayer level 10: 13 Mindbender: 11 Epic Slayer: 42 total 261

+37 Autohypnosis 28 ranks +05 Wis +4 Synergy (Concentration)
+11 Bluff 4 ranks +07 Cha
+36 Concentration 28 ranks +08 Con
+15 Diplomacy 4 ranks +07 Cha +4 Synergy (Bluff & Sense Motive)
+13 Intimidate 4 ranks +07 Cha +2 Synergy (Bluff)
+37 Knowledge Arcana 22 ranks +15 Int
+37 Knowledge Dungeoneering 22 ranks +15 Int
+37 Knowledge Local 22 ranks +15 Int
+37 Knowledge Nature 22 ranks +15 Int
+42 Knowledge Psionics 23 ranks +15 Int +4 Synergy (Autohypnosis)
+37 Knowledge Religion 22 ranks +15 Int
+43 Knowledge The Planes 28 ranks +15 Int
+45 Psicraft 28 ranks +15 Int +2 Synergy (Knowledge Psionics)
+11 Sense Motive 4 ranks +05 Wis +2 Synergy (Bluff)

So far for equipment I only have:
Belt of Magnificence +6 with added Monk’s Belt [219,500gp]
Ring of Greater Universal Energy Resistance and Deflection +5 [358.000gp]
Amulet of Mighty Fist +5 [150.000gp]
Tome of Clear Thoughts [137.500gp]
Tome of Leadership and Influence [137.500gp]
Manual of Bodily Health [137.500gp]

Psychic Chirurgery (Expansion) [6.530gp]
Psychic Chirurgery (Psionic Lion's Charge) [11.530gp]

With this I have the AC bonus of a 26th level monk fueled by Int instead of Wis
Flurry of blows as a 15th level monk
Unarmed strike damage as a 20th level monk.

Any suggestions on how I can improve him.
#2
sjiggie
Apr 02, 2008 18:37:07 New food for thoughts

Because of the Metamorphosis Line Combat Insight doesn't do him any good so that frees up two Epic feats (Epic Prowess & Combat insight) and Combat Expertise as well does anyone have some good suggestions to replace those feats with.

Still looking for some equipment Ideas any and all are welcome

Thanks Sjiggie
#3
tshern
Apr 02, 2008 18:48:52 Your damage seems a bit low. Consider getting Offensive prescience somehow. Custom item of Greater mighty wallop (or a friendly Wizard) should up your damage quite substantially along with Improved natural attack.
#4
lordmaul
Apr 02, 2008 19:02:01 *cough* throw in a level of Swordsage (it's cheap, proceed w/ caution) Grab Shadow Blade (+Dex to damage) Alternately, you could accomplish this w/ 3 feats (you have plenty)

3 levels of... grr... can't think... someone will have to fill in this blank for me. Some Class Ability gives you +Int (again) to damage.

TWF tree will give you another 4 attacks via off hand.

Ammy of Natural weapons = much cheaper than Ammy of mighty fist

Get an item with Greater Mage Armor 2/day (cast by 8th level caster)

Make sure to get diverse bonuses to AC (and attack... actually, everything)- luck, insight, and sacred bonuses are most often missed (though many DMs don't allow sacred)

Don't buy any Epic items yet- their non-epic counterparts are almost as good, but -much- cheaper

If ToB is allowed, and you do decide to go 1 level Swordsage, check out SSN- my second favorite Monk PrC

Sorry, most of this is from a Monk standpoint, I don't play much high end psionics.
#5
sjiggie
Apr 02, 2008 19:03:35 Psychic Surgeryn for the win Offensive Prescience can up my damage. Greater Mighty Wallop won't do me any good it only goes to a maximum of Colossal size which I hit easily (Draconic Metamorph into a Titan and augmented Expansion to Colossal size) Forgot about Improved Natural Attack will add it to the build.

*cough* throw in a level of Swordsage (it's cheap, proceed w/ caution) Grab Shadow Blade (+Dex to damage) Alternately, you could accomplish this w/ 3 feats (you have plenty)

3 levels of... grr... can't think... someone will have to fill in this blank for me. Some Class Ability gives you +Int (again) to damage.

I can't play around with levels because I want to lay the focus on his psionics with added Monk abilities. This setup gives me +16 Bab before Epic and the powers known of a 22nd level Psion
TWF tree will give you another 4 attacks via off hand.

I'm considering this but which feats to replace

Ammy of Natural weapons = much cheaper than Ammy of mighty fist

Where can I find this Item?

Get an item with Greater Mage Armor 2/day (cast by 8th level caster)

Max augemented Inertial Armor gets me a +16 armor bonus to AC more then Greater Mage armor gives me and for a longer duration

Make sure to get diverse bonuses to AC (and attack... actually, everything)- luck, insight, and sacred bonuses are most often missed (though many DMs don't allow sacred)

Defensive and Offensive precognition add +10 Insight bonusses to AC, Saves and Attack. I will pick up Offensive Prescience for a Insight bonus to damage though

Don't buy any Epic items yet- their non-epic counterparts are almost as good, but -much- cheaper[/quote
The only Epic Item I have is the ring of Universal Energy Resistance which Non-epic Item is almost as good but cheaper

If ToB is allowed, and you do decide to go 1 level Swordsage, check out SSN- my second favorite Monk PrC

As above Psionics is the focus with added Monk abilities through Tashalatora feat

Sorry, most of this is from a Monk standpoint, I don't play much high end psionics.

No problem thanks anyway
#6
lordmaul
Apr 02, 2008 22:50:30 Ah... Ammy of Natural Weapons is from Savage Species

Feats to give up for TWF... I would give up Track and Psionic Fist first... unless they are needed for PrCs or other feats(?) I assume Combat Expertise is meeting a req for something, but if not, you could give that up...

ah... still no luck bonus to anything (from what I can see)

also, some of your skills (Autohypnosis in particular) seem to have met their use- I might suggest adding some skill tricks from PHII. Never Outnumbered, in particular, is awesome since you are using Intimidate. Other nice ones exist.

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#1 sjiggie Apr 01, 2008 9:57:09	Hey guys, I'm designing a Epic character focusing on combining the monk with Psionics now I'm kinda stuck with a few things: A way to boost his attack mod with his unarmed strike I could use some advice for his powers did I make the right selection Feats again here are the feat choices optimized Note: I can take 4 flaws for extra feats 2 at start, 1 at 10th and 1 at 20th I'm considering Improved Disarm at 1st and Psionic Meditation at 20th any better suggestions? Equipment I have 2.1 million available any suggestions here. Thanks in advance here is my build with the character creation guidelines Starting level 25 halfway to 26 Abilities: 40 point buy Starting Gold: 2,100,000 gp Magic Item Compendium and Weapons of Legacy are available to purchase from No XP Penalties! Feats are gained at the 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, and every odd level after that. Able Learner is a bonus to all characters. Cerebral knight: As Eldritch Knight but the first level bonus feat can be a Fighter Bonus Feat or Psionic Feat, level 2-10 improve an existing manifesting class instead of spellcasting. Replace Knowledge Arcana and Spellcraft with Knowledge Psionics and Psicraft. Ascetic Psion doesn’t require Narrow Mind as prerequisite Draconic Metamorphosis as Draconic Polymorph but as a 5th level Egoist Power Tiefling Monk 1/Psion 6/Cerebral Knight 3/Slayer 10/Mindbender 1/Epic Slayer 4 Stats STR...14 [+02]...(00 pts +6 Enchantment) DEX...16 [+03]...(00 pts +2 Tiefling +6 Enchantment) CON...27 [+08]...(10 pts +6 Enchantment +5 Tome) INT...41 [+15]...(16 pts +2 Tiefling +4 Insight (Reality Revision) +6 Levels +6 Enchantment +5 Tome) WIS...20 [+05]...(06 pts +6 Enchantment) CHA...24 [+07]...(08 pts -2 Tiefling +6 Enchantment +5 Tome) Saves: Fort +19 [2 Monk +2 Psion +3 Cerebral Knight +3 Slayer +2 Epic +8 Con] Refl +13 [2 Monk +2 Psion +1 Cerebral Knight +3 Slayer +2 Epic +3 Dex] Will +22 [2 Monk +5 Psion +1 Cerebral Knight +7 Slayer +2 Epic +5 Wis] Attacks: Unarmed Strike +22/+17/+12/+7 2d10+13 20/x2 Bludgeoning 19 Bab +2 Str +1 Epic Prowess, Int to damage: Combat Insight Greater Flurry +22/+22/+22/+17/+12/+7 2d10+13 20/x2 Bludgeoning 19 Bab +2 Str +1 Epic Prowess, Int to damage: Combat Insight Psionic Powers Manifester Level: 25 PP: 493 343 Psion 150 Int Psion Powers: Noted with EK are through Expanded Knowledge and noted with PC with Psychic Chirurgery [DC 24] 1 – Expansion^PC Vigor, Offensive Precognition, Defensive Precognition, Entangling Ectoplasm, Inertial Armor, Thicken Skin [DC 25] 2 – Damp Power, Ego Whip, Inflict Pane, Psionic Lion’s Charge^PC Share Pain [DC 26] 3 – Hustle, Dispel Psionics, Psionic Blast, Touchsight [DC 27] 4 – Psionic Dimension Door, Energy Adaption, Intellect Fortress, Metamorphosis, Schism^EK Telekinetic Maneuver [DC 28] 5 – Adapt Body, Psionic True Seeing, Power Resistance, Draconic Metamorphosis, Psychofeedback [DC 29] 6 – Psionic Contingency, Psionic Disintegrate, Dispelling Buffer^EK Psionic Restoration, Overland Flight, Temporal Accelaration [DC 30] 7 – Divert Teleport, Fission, Personal Mind Blank [DC 31] 8 – Fusion, Psionic Iron Body, Planar Embrace, True Metabolism, Shadow Body [DC 32] 9 – Assimilate, Greater Metamorphosis, Reality Revision Feats: Combat Expertise^{Level 1} Knowledge Devotion^{Level 3}Make knowledge check gain bonus to hit and damage Ascetic Psion^{Level 5}Monk and Psion levels stack for AC bonus refocus as a standard action Metamorphic Transfer^{Level 7}You can gain a supernatural ability of a metamorphed form Tashalatora^{Level 9}Slayer levels stack with monk for AC bonus Flurry attacks and unarmed damage Quicken Power^{Level 11}Add Expansion to powers known Expanded Knowledge (Schism)^{Level 13}Manifest one power as a swift action +6pp Psionic Fist^{Level 15}Expend focus unarmed strike or natural attack deals 2d6 extra damage Unavoidable Strike^{Level 17}Make an unarmed strike or natural attack as a touch attack Power Attack^{Level 19} Epic Psionic Focus^{Level 21}Expend 1 Psionic Focus and use 2 feats Multipower^{Level 23}Cast 2 quickened powers in 1 round Mindsight^{Level 25}Detect non-mindless beings within telepathy range as blindsense Psicrystal Affinity^{Psion 1}Gain a Psicrystal Psicrystal Containment^{Psion 5}Psicrystal can hold a Psionic Focus Improved Unarmed Strike^{Monk 1} Monastic Training (Slayer)^{Monk 1}Can freely multiclass between slayer and monk Practised Manifester^{Cerebral Knight 1}+4 Manifester level Epic Prowess^{Slayer 11}+1 Bonus on all Attack Rolls Combat Insight^{Slayer 14}Int to damage instead of Strength Track^{Flaw: Inattentive: –4 Perception} Expended Knowledge (Dispelling Buffer)^{Flaw @20th: Shaky –2 Ranged attacks}Add Psionic Lion’s Charge to powers known Able Learner ^{DM Bonus} Skills: Monk: 36 Psion: 42 Cerebral Knight: 24 Slayer level 1-6: 60 Slayer level 7-9: 33 Slayer level 10: 13 Mindbender: 11 Epic Slayer: 42 total 261 +37 Autohypnosis 28 ranks +05 Wis +4 Synergy (Concentration) +11 Bluff 4 ranks +07 Cha +36 Concentration 28 ranks +08 Con +15 Diplomacy 4 ranks +07 Cha +4 Synergy (Bluff & Sense Motive) +13 Intimidate 4 ranks +07 Cha +2 Synergy (Bluff) +37 Knowledge Arcana 22 ranks +15 Int +37 Knowledge Dungeoneering 22 ranks +15 Int +37 Knowledge Local 22 ranks +15 Int +37 Knowledge Nature 22 ranks +15 Int +42 Knowledge Psionics 23 ranks +15 Int +4 Synergy (Autohypnosis) +37 Knowledge Religion 22 ranks +15 Int +43 Knowledge The Planes 28 ranks +15 Int +45 Psicraft 28 ranks +15 Int +2 Synergy (Knowledge Psionics) +11 Sense Motive 4 ranks +05 Wis +2 Synergy (Bluff) So far for equipment I only have: Belt of Magnificence +6 with added Monk’s Belt [219,500gp] Ring of Greater Universal Energy Resistance and Deflection +5 [358.000gp] Amulet of Mighty Fist +5 [150.000gp] Tome of Clear Thoughts [137.500gp] Tome of Leadership and Influence [137.500gp] Manual of Bodily Health [137.500gp] Psychic Chirurgery (Expansion) [6.530gp] Psychic Chirurgery (Psionic Lion's Charge) [11.530gp] With this I have the AC bonus of a 26th level monk fueled by Int instead of Wis Flurry of blows as a 15th level monk Unarmed strike damage as a 20th level monk. Any suggestions on how I can improve him.
#2 sjiggie Apr 02, 2008 18:37:07	New food for thoughts Because of the Metamorphosis Line Combat Insight doesn't do him any good so that frees up two Epic feats (Epic Prowess & Combat insight) and Combat Expertise as well does anyone have some good suggestions to replace those feats with. Still looking for some equipment Ideas any and all are welcome Thanks Sjiggie
#3 tshern Apr 02, 2008 18:48:52	Your damage seems a bit low. Consider getting Offensive prescience somehow. Custom item of Greater mighty wallop (or a friendly Wizard) should up your damage quite substantially along with Improved natural attack.
#4 lordmaul Apr 02, 2008 19:02:01	cough throw in a level of Swordsage (it's cheap, proceed w/ caution) Grab Shadow Blade (+Dex to damage) Alternately, you could accomplish this w/ 3 feats (you have plenty) 3 levels of... grr... can't think... someone will have to fill in this blank for me. Some Class Ability gives you +Int (again) to damage. TWF tree will give you another 4 attacks via off hand. Ammy of Natural weapons = much cheaper than Ammy of mighty fist Get an item with Greater Mage Armor 2/day (cast by 8th level caster) Make sure to get diverse bonuses to AC (and attack... actually, everything)- luck, insight, and sacred bonuses are most often missed (though many DMs don't allow sacred) Don't buy any Epic items yet- their non-epic counterparts are almost as good, but -much- cheaper If ToB is allowed, and you do decide to go 1 level Swordsage, check out SSN- my second favorite Monk PrC Sorry, most of this is from a Monk standpoint, I don't play much high end psionics.
#5 sjiggie Apr 02, 2008 19:03:35	Psychic Surgeryn for the win Offensive Prescience can up my damage. Greater Mighty Wallop won't do me any good it only goes to a maximum of Colossal size which I hit easily (Draconic Metamorph into a Titan and augmented Expansion to Colossal size) Forgot about Improved Natural Attack will add it to the build. cough throw in a level of Swordsage (it's cheap, proceed w/ caution) Grab Shadow Blade (+Dex to damage) Alternately, you could accomplish this w/ 3 feats (you have plenty) 3 levels of... grr... can't think... someone will have to fill in this blank for me. Some Class Ability gives you +Int (again) to damage. I can't play around with levels because I want to lay the focus on his psionics with added Monk abilities. This setup gives me +16 Bab before Epic and the powers known of a 22nd level Psion TWF tree will give you another 4 attacks via off hand. I'm considering this but which feats to replace Ammy of Natural weapons = much cheaper than Ammy of mighty fist Where can I find this Item? Get an item with Greater Mage Armor 2/day (cast by 8th level caster) Max augemented Inertial Armor gets me a +16 armor bonus to AC more then Greater Mage armor gives me and for a longer duration Make sure to get diverse bonuses to AC (and attack... actually, everything)- luck, insight, and sacred bonuses are most often missed (though many DMs don't allow sacred) Defensive and Offensive precognition add +10 Insight bonusses to AC, Saves and Attack. I will pick up Offensive Prescience for a Insight bonus to damage though Don't buy any Epic items yet- their non-epic counterparts are almost as good, but -much- cheaper[/quote The only Epic Item I have is the ring of Universal Energy Resistance which Non-epic Item is almost as good but cheaper If ToB is allowed, and you do decide to go 1 level Swordsage, check out SSN- my second favorite Monk PrC As above Psionics is the focus with added Monk abilities through Tashalatora feat Sorry, most of this is from a Monk standpoint, I don't play much high end psionics. No problem thanks anyway
#6 lordmaul Apr 02, 2008 22:50:30	Ah... Ammy of Natural Weapons is from Savage Species Feats to give up for TWF... I would give up Track and Psionic Fist first... unless they are needed for PrCs or other feats(?) I assume Combat Expertise is meeting a req for something, but if not, you could give that up... ah... still no luck bonus to anything (from what I can see) also, some of your skills (Autohypnosis in particular) seem to have met their use- I might suggest adding some skill tricks from PHII. Never Outnumbered, in particular, is awesome since you are using Intimidate. Other nice ones exist.