Here's some that are worth the price you pay. More suggestions much appreciated, as well as builds (or links to them) that make use of an exotic weapon, or enable their usage especially well.
Spiked chain: Most of us know how obvious this is. Any sort of search for the word “chain” and maybe “fighter” on this board will turn up numerous builds, a lot of them very nasty.
Bastard sword: Or perhaps more accurately, katana. An Iajutsu Master can Weapon Finesse a katana with only a 2 level dip. This and its cousin, the dwarven waraxe, are also probably the best use of the Exotic Weapon Master’s uncanny blow stunt. For a character with an abnormally high Str score, multiplying your modifier by a full 2 instead of 1.5 can start to get a little unreasonable at a brisk pace.
Dwarven waraxe: See above for use with Exotic Weapon Master. This one also has the very nice benefit of not requiring a feat if you’re a dwarf. And there’s certainly nothing wrong with a dwarf.
Dwarven urgosh: Again, free for a dwarf. Normally, I’d say double weapons aren’t worth the feat, but when it costs nothing, go ahead. Granted, one end has a smaller damage dice, which doesn’t give it the advantage of other double weapons, but having two types of damage is handy, most of your feats apply to both ends, and it can be set against a charge, which is in my opinion an underrated ability.
Sharktooth staff (SS): This one’s infamous with my main group, and for good reason. Combine the damage dice of a greatsword with the crit multiplier of a greataxe, and you have a decent weapon. However, you also get to make a free grapple attempt at any Small or Medium enemy every time you hit them, and then deal free weapon damage in subsequent rounds. The size restriction prevents huge abuse, but it is just as good as it sounds. Hell, it’s even cheaper and weighs less than a greatsword.
Orc shotput (S&F): Yeah, no errata for this thing. A big, silly pile of numbers: 2d6 damage, 19-20/x3 threat, 10 ft range increment. You’ll want to be at least Medium size to use them, though.
Kusari-gama (DMG): A spiked chain that you can wield in one hand! Okay, okay, you can’t Power Attack with it, but still, this is a solid weapon. All the other goodies of the spiked chain wrapped in a cute little package called “light weapon”. Two-weapon Fighting with these can be barrels of fun.
Greathammer (MM4): Another goofy pile of numbers. 1d12 damage and 19-20/x4 threat (!?). And yes, I realize the minotaur’s stat block says just “x4”, blah, blah. Take that debate elsewhere.
Tigerskull club (Frost): Not overpowering, but probably worth a feat if you’ve got room and will make use of its unique combination of properties. A x4 multiplier, two types of damage, tripping and disarming abilities, and it’s one-handed. Anyone have any builds/tricks/combos or specific tactics with this?
Flind bar (MM3): These things are quite solid. They give you a free disarm attempt with a +2 bonus every time you threaten a critical hit. They are also one-handed and have nice numbers for being so at 2d4 damage with 19-20/x2 threat. And hey, if you’re ever a flind gnoll for whatever reason, they’re free!
Jovar (PlHB): Although not as silly as the greathammer or shotput, this is also just a pile of numerals: 2d6 damage with an 18-20/x2 threat. Largest damage dice of any weapon with 18-20/x2? Anyone know of a bigger one? For style points, wield one as an evil character and graffiti the blade to warp the Celestial writing on it into something blasphemous.
Harpoon (Frost): Interesting weapon. It can be lodged in an opponent if they fail a Reflex save, and deals the same damage when pulled out as it did going in. The returning enchantment could theoretically just cause it to do double damage, but that’s definitely a DM’s call. Raise the damage as much as possible, as the DC for the save is 10 + damage dealt.
Elven lightblade (RotW): This little guy and it’s big brother, the thinblade, are just kukris and rapiers (respectively) with bigger damage dice, although the lightblade does piercing damage, not slashing. Normally, this would be a pass, but if you’re an elf, Improved Weapon Familiarity gets you proficiency in both. What’s better, your feats that name rapier (Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization, etc) apply to both.
Elven thinblade (RotW): See elven lightblade.
Dragonsplit (MM4): This is the “other” x4 threat one-handed weapon. Unlike the tigerskull club, this does slashing damage, which qualifies it for things that the club can’t, and it counts as a light weapon for Two-weapon Fighting and Weapon Finesse. However, it has no tripping or disarming qualities.
Crescent knife (Dr275): I don’t have the actual text of this or the braid blade, so I’m just going on what I’m told. This lets you make 2 attacks in place of every attack you would normally make. Silly.
Braid blade (Du120): These grant you an extra attack and are affixed to your hair instead of being wielded normally. The extra attacks given by wearing multiples seems to stack, and there seems to be no limit to the number you can wear. Need confirmation on what issue this appears in.
Spiked Chain is kind of obvious as a good exotic weapon.
Greathorn Minotaur Warhammer is pretty ridiculous.
So is, as everyone knows the Spiked Chain.
Edit: Beaten on the obvious.
Sharktooth staff is one that comes to mind.
Right. I gave myself headaches allowing a PC to use one of those in a game of mine.
Here's two:
- Dragonsplit (MM4). A finessable heavy pick that does slashing damage. Seems like it could have implications.
- Goliath greathammer (RoS). The large version does 3d6, plus it has a x4 multiplier.
- Goliath greathammer (RoS). The large version does 3d6, plus it has a x4 multiplier.
Isn't there a Greathammer of some type in one of the Monster Manual's that has an even bigger crit range or multiplier?
Isn't there a Greathammer of some type in one of the Monster Manual's that has an even bigger crit range or multiplier?
The greathorn minotaur hammer that was mentioned above is what you're talking about. 1d12 damage, 19-20/x4.
Mercurial Greatsword? (arms and equipment)
Flind Bar (Monster Manual III)
The greathorn minotaur hammer that was mentioned above is what you're talking about. 1d12 damage, 19-20/x4.
where is this weapon???
Mercurial Greatsword? (arms and equipment)
I don't know that the greatsword is much of an upgrade over a scythe for having to burn a feat on it. Unless of course the character in question isn't proficient in the scythe anyway.
where is this weapon???
MM4, p101.
especially if you're a gnoll Barbarian/Ranger that rides around on a camel and insults the rest of the members of the party for their "softness"...
ahhhh... those were the days...
->The only light weapon with reach, this is also trip/disarm/close range.
Rope dagger [Dragon 3??]
->Like a spiked chain but less damage, 15' reach, and has a bludgeoning form ("meteor hammer").
Kusarigama [DMG]
->The only light weapon with reach, this is also trip/disarm/close range.
Is it also 1 Handed? If not, the spiked chain is still better. [EDIT] I guess by definition, light weapon implies 1 Handed.
I'm looking for interesting exotic weapons for my NPCs that don't suck.
Where is sharktooth staff from?
I'm looking for interesting exotic weapons for my NPCs that don't suck.
Savage Species. It lets you start a grapple as a free action if you hit.
Savage Species. It lets you start a grapple as a free action if you hit.
I didn't know that. I will have to re-read that.
Also, if anyone has any builds or characters (or links to them) that make especially good use of any exotic weapon, posts away!
It is simply broken because you threaten every single square between you and the end of the chain.
Generally in D&D everything that includes chains (even if it's only in their name :D ) is broken
Triad + Andras... oh yeah...
Linked to the Consolidated Binder Handbook.
Triad + Andras... oh yeah...
Woah...
The Triad reminds me of my friend's early-printing version of Psionics Handbook, where the Slayer is said to have proficiency with "all weapons". Heh. Anyway, that's cool, but I was going more for the weapons that are worth actually taking the feat for. When you have proficiency with all of them, you can pick whatever you please and not have to worry about spending many resources on them.
Even so, thanks for the link.
What do people think about the greatspear Complete Warrior? I was thinking about using that for a lancer type character
I like it, I used it for a frenzied berserker for quite some time (lvl 1 to 22, actually). I should note that part of my liking for it comes from the fact that it doesn't explicitly say "can't attack adjacent spaces" like most reach weapons (including another one on the very same page) do.
--Impeesa--
The kusari-gama isn't a one-handed weapon, it isn't a double weapon, and it's in the DMG.
Huh. I'm clueless. Didn't know it was in the DMG, was looking at the OA version. Fixed.
Harpoon has a lot of potential, especially if you can bump the damage up, like with sneak attack, since the save against it lodging in the target is damage based. Also on a nautical theme, nets are fairly useful, at least at low levels.
If I can offer a comment on the harpoon;
It does equal damage going in as it does going out. So, enchant it with returning.
GORE!
Also, for battlefield control, consider a mithril chain (or adamantine chain) net, anchored with four immovable rods.
I played a character with a harpoon with an immovable rod in the shaft, and a net of the variety above. No matter what we fought, two enemies were immobilized on round 1 in a pretty consistent manner. In the subsequent rounds, he threw his returning harpoons (two weapon fighting after all) for sick damage.
It's a higher level combo, but pretty cool nonetheless.
- Greathammer (MM4): Crazy. 1d12, 19-20/x4.
I'm almost certain that, like the flutter blade and the talenta sharrash or whatever it was, this has been corrected. I didn't even realize the orcish shotput had a 2x3, though, so it never occurred to me to wonder if it had been changed.
I'm almost certain that, like the flutter blade and the talenta sharrash or whatever it was, this has been corrected. I didn't even realize the orcish shotput had a 2x3, though, so it never occurred to me to wonder if it had been changed.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but I don't see any errata.
And where is the harpoon?
I've always enjoyed the Jovar (2d6 18-20/X2) from the planar handbook.
vouch; its like a great falchion, but with twice the style points
as for that greathammer in the MM4, i made a thread about it and someone pointed out a very obvious thing......if you look at the monster's stats (the greenhorn minotaur thingy) it shows the weapon as being x4 only, not 19-20 x4
so most now agree that this is a clear typo that errata will fix
The Hammer that you posted is called the "Greathorn Minotaur Warhammer" I dont know if it matters too much or not. Just thought Id let you know.
I'm just the kind of picky person who would notice this, and it is listed simply as "greathammer" in both the monster's stat block and the table of contents of the book.
as for that greathammer in the MM4, i made a thread about it and someone pointed out a very obvious thing......if you look at the monster's stats (the greenhorn minotaur thingy) it shows the weapon as being x4 only, not 19-20 x4
so most now agree that this is a clear typo that errata will fix
Ah, so it is. Still it isn't clear which, in fact, is the typo, is it? Do monster stats override the weapon data, or vice versa? I wouldn't be surprised if it is supposed to be just x4, but as of now it hasn't been cleared up.
Added Jovar to the list.
I'm just the kind of picky person who would notice this, and it is listed simply as "greathammer" in both the monster's stat block and the table of contents of the book.
Ah, so it is. Still it isn't clear which, in fact, is the typo, is it? Do monster stats override the weapon data, or vice versa? I wouldn't be surprised if it is supposed to be just x4, but as of now it hasn't been cleared up.
Added Jovar to the list.
yea, someone suggested me to write to customer service (insert place to write this kind of thing to here) or whatever about it to clear up which printing is correct, but not only am i lazy, im pretty freaking sure which is the correct one lol.
if they really meant to have it as 19-20 x4, they are out of their minds
but that doesnt mean i wouldent use it
now as for this shotput, it was back in the day of weapon tables saying that they were large or whatnot.
now, all weapons are listed as medium weapons with dmg listed for small weapons, but you can merely double the cost of something and make it large ( double weight too)
so could you in fact have a large shotput? i dunno how errata deals with this conflict.
Bleh
Er... kay?
Anyway. Hm, is the shotput now a two-handed ranged weapon? Regardless, I don't see any reason why any weapon at all can't be made in smaller or larger sizes.
JaronK
As for Bastard Sword: Sadly, no. It's a feat for +1 damage compared to a longsword. Very sub-optimal. It has style points (I hapily played a double bastard sword weilder in one game), but little else. Dwarven Waraxe is worth the cost for a dwarven martial type, however, because that cost is nothing. While +1 damage for a feat is lame, +1 damage for free is sweet.
Talenta Sharrash, post errata, is still pretty nasty, with reach and a 19-20/x3 crit.
As for Bastard Sword: Sadly, no. It's a feat for +1 damage compared to a longsword. Very sub-optimal. It has style points (I hapily played a double bastard sword weilder in one game), but little else. Dwarven Waraxe is worth the cost for a dwarven martial type, however, because that cost is nothing. While +1 damage for a feat is lame, +1 damage for free is sweet.
I don't know where people are getting this, the errata for the sharrash says 19-20/x2.
As for the bastard sword, it has a at least one use. The one that comes to mind is that katana = masterwork bastard sword. The 2nd level ability of Iajutsu Master allows you to finesse a katana. Powerful. Adding this to first post.
Sure, not that great as individually taken exotics, but all 3 gain benefits from feats as if they were each rapiers, the Courtblade is a two-handed finesse-able and elves can gain all three of these with one feat: Improved Weapon Familiarity.
For every attack you make, you get two attacks instead. Seriously.
Braid Blade, Dungeon 120 (I think)
Grants you an extra attack. The attacks between multiples seem to stack. There's no limit on the number of these you can wear.
Harpoon, Frostburn (among others)
If you don't see the Warhulk synergy, get off the boards.
Crescent Knife, Dragon 286 (I think)
For every attack you make, you get two attacks instead. Seriously.
275. Actually the first place the Elven Thinblade appeared, I think.
I had a character who was allowed to use one of these. Then some ultra powerful outsider or something made him walk off a cliff into an extradimensional prison because he'd gotten hold of Farslayer.
Warmace (CW) - 1H, 1d12 x2 - if you can get a bunch of size increases, this is the fastest scaling 1-handed weapon available
Dire Pick (CW) - 1H, 1d8 x 4, not too hard to sub for Heavy Pick for a diety's favoured weapon
Gythka (XPH, Thri-Kreen) - 1d10/1d10 X2 (S), best damage for a double weapon
Chatkcha (XPH) - 1d6 18-20x2 (P), 20', best crit range for a thrown weapon
Ritiik (FB) - 2H, on a hit can make a free trip *attack*, other properties similar to harpoon
Dwarven Warpike (RoS) - 2H - basically a halberd with better damage and reach
Caber (MotW) - "What rolls downstairs, along or in pairs, and rolls over your neighbour's dog? What's great for a snack, and fits on your back..." :D
Flutter Blade (Underdark) - as far as I know, it's the only 19-20x3 weapon
Dragonsplit (MM4) - 1H, 1d6 X4 (S) or 19-20X2 (S), counts as light for finesse and TWF, but can still PA
- Bastard sword: 1d10, ?19-20/x2? = 6.05/6.6 avg. dmg
- Sharktooth staff (SS): 2d6, x3. = 7.7/8.4 avg. dmg (plus grapple)
- Orc shotput (S&F): 10 ft increment, 2d6, 19-20/x3 = 8.4/9.8 avg. dmg
- Greathammer (MM4): Crazy. 1d12, 19-20/x4 = 8.45/10.4 avg. dmg
- Flind bar (MM3): 2d4, 19-20/x2 = 5.5/6 avg. dmg. (plus free disarm attempt w/ crit, +2 bonus)
- Jovar (PlHB): Greatsword with 18-20/x2 crit range.= 8.05/9.1 avg. dmg
- Elven thinblade/lightblade (RotW): 1d8 18-20/x2 = 5.175/5.85 avg. damage, plus an elf can TWF it and apply rapier feats
- Harpoon (Frost): Interesting weapon. Can be lodged in an opponent if they fail a Ref save, and deals the same damage when pulled out as it did going in. Returning enchantment could theoretically just cause it to do double damage. Warhulk and Bloodstorm Blade, anyone?
I believe it deals damage going out - including strength damage - b/c you pull it. If it were a returning weapon I imagine it'd just get stuck, making the returning enchantment pointless.
I copied the original post and calculated average damage for each weapon, including crit damage. Second number is using the improved crit feat or keen enchantment. Original poster: feel free to copy the average damage values into your own post(s).
- Bastard sword: 1d10, ?19-20/x2? = 6.05/6.6 avg. dmg
- Sharktooth staff (SS): 2d6, x3. = 7.7/8.4 avg. dmg (plus grapple)
- Orc shotput (S&F): 10 ft increment, 2d6, 19-20/x3 = 8.4/9.8 avg. dmg
- Greathammer (MM4): Crazy. 1d12, 19-20/x4 = 8.45/10.4 avg. dmg
- Flind bar (MM3): 2d4, 19-20/x2 = 5.5/6 avg. dmg. (plus free disarm attempt w/ crit, +2 bonus)
- Jovar (PlHB): Greatsword with 18-20/x2 crit range.= 8.05/9.1 avg. dmg
- Elven thinblade/lightblade (RotW): 1d8 18-20/x2 = 5.175/5.85 avg. damage, plus an elf can TWF it and apply rapier feats
I believe it deals damage going out - including strength damage - b/c you pull it. If it were a returning weapon I imagine it'd just get stuck, making the returning enchantment pointless.
Woah. You're kind of my hero right now. I'm too lazy at the moment to even move some of the new suggestions to first post. Thanks! I think in the morning I'll fully update first post and organize it a bit, since the list is getting longer.
As for the returning harpoon, it's up to the DM, I think. Thus, the "theoretically" in my description. However, I just got a neat mental image. Hurl a bunch of harpoons at someone and pin them to the ground with Ranged Pin feat. Then procede to stroll up and casually make your full-round actions to pull the harpoons out of your foe. You could then even stick them back in before pulling the last one out.
Flawless victory.
Returning Harpoon = "Get over here!"
Flawless victory.
lol
TWF or Reach weapon. Perfect for ninjas.
1. Hit opponent TWF in his face 2. Turn invisible 3. back up, hit him once w/ reach 4. watch him swing midair, not knowing you had a reach weapon
The Drow Scorpion Spiked Chain is nice - a spiked chain that can sunder (slashing) from Secrets of Xend'rik iirc.
And it's even better with the 19-20 crit range and the feat that let's you deal 1d4 CON dmg when you crit. (Secrets of Xen'Drik as well)
Well, via the general weapon creation guidelines, it should be 1d12 20/X4, so the error is almost certainly the 19-20.
JaronK
Any one got a link or summary of the creation guidelines? My google fu is weak.
Builds focused in such stuff like the marshall/bard ones (add charisma to disarm and trip) are neat.
1) Does it have range?
2) If so, can you fight guys in close range as well (adjacent or whatever the wording is)?
3) Does the grapple you perform use the weapon's damage base damage? Or is the grapple damage rolled differently. (I always played a simple Fighter or Ranger with a sword back in the day, so I have never grappled
)I like it, I used it for a frenzied berserker for quite some time (lvl 1 to 22, actually). I should note that part of my liking for it comes from the fact that it doesn't explicitly say "can't attack adjacent spaces" like most reach weapons (including another one on the very same page) do.
--Impeesa--
That was one of my reasonings to, but i didnt wanna bring it up since i wasnt sure if it could or couldnt.
The Monk's Cane: Its combat stats are unimpressive (1d6/x2 bludgeoning, throwable with a 10 foot range increment), but it's monk-friendly, and most importantly: it's innocuous. A Sense Motive check against the wielder is required to recognize the cane as a weapon, at DC 20 or the wielder's Bluff check, whichever's higher.
The Spinning Sword: 1d6 19-20/x2 slashing. One-handed. Has reach, but can also be used against adjacent opponents. Finessable. Specifically can NOT be used two-handed. Can be worn as a belt, requiring a Search check at DC 15 to recognize it as a weapon. If you use Sleight of Hand to conceal it as a belt, you get +6 to your check.
Both weapons are excellent for sneaky characters.
i take it the spinning sword is suppose to be like Ivy's weapon from Soul Calibur?
That's what I thought when I first read that post. If it is then *ugh*. And also *wowow* at the same time.
Remember that thing the guy in the jumpsuit used in the spa against sean connery in Never Say Never Again? Its basically a really long verion of that.
I think I've seen similar weapons in plenty of other places.
As to the Ivy thing, it seems (from the picture) like one or more thin, sharp, metal blades protruding from a handle; as opposed to a sectioned sword with a central cord.
Other weapons from Secrets of Sarlona include:
Cutting Wheel: 1d6 19-20 light exotic melee weapon, with 10' range (+2 vs disarm, monk weapon)
Steel Flute: 1d4 x2 light simple melee weapon, with 10' range (innocuous as monk's cain, can be masterwork instrument as well, good for bards?)
Hook Sword: 1d6 P or 1d8 S 19-20 one-handed exotic melee weapon (+2 on disarm, monk weapon)
as well as two different double-weapons (exotic)
Monks Spade 1d8/1d8 x2B/x3S Monk Weapon
Zulaat 2d4/2d4 x3
It's a reach weapon which can attack within 5 ft. and you get a bonus on it's first attacks within 5 ft. of yourself due to it's weird design.
The Elven Courtblade only does 1d10 damage, but it does piercing & slashing along with being the only weapon-finessable 2h weapon (I think). All greatsword feats work on the Courtblade a well.
As to the Ivy thing, it seems (from the picture) like one or more thin, sharp, metal blades protruding from a handle; as opposed to a sectioned sword with a central cord.
what picture are you refering to? Ivy's Sword/Whip functions just like the name sake, a sword that can then change into a bladed whip like weapon, in game she actually uses it like a normal short sword then depending on the buttons you press she can extend it into a many sectioned sword-whip.
kind of like this picture.I like the Valenar double scimitar. Put this in the hands of a ranger in light armor and the two handed penalties are only -2/-2. You now have two attacks that do 1d6 each with a crit of 18-20X2. But lets take it further. Now take the feat improve critical. Now the crit range is 15-20X2 to each attack. Not too bad
The whip-like thing near the left if the spinning sword
The Elven Courtblade only does 1d10 damage, but it does piercing & slashing along with being the only weapon-finessable 2h weapon (I think).
*cough* Spiked Chain *cough*
Haha, on the other hand, maybe that was a typo...
When I mentioned Bastard Sword and Dwarven Waraxe, I was actually thinking about Exotic Weapon Master's Uncanny Blow. That extra 0.5xSTR is nice. Also the Lightblade/Thinblade/Courtblade benefit from feats related to Short/Long/Greatswords respectively as well.
EWM was the first thing I thought of too. But is that ability really useful when you can just use a two-handed weapon and not spend a feat and a class level? I suppose if you're Str score is unreasonably high?
And yes, the thinblade/lightblade benefit from longsword/short sword feats. I think using rapier feats would be more optimal for an elf TWFing with the thin/lightblade, and that's the only situation I can see taking the feat to wield them as worth it.
The Oriental Adventures Kusari-Gama was tight like girl pants.
TWF or Reach weapon. Perfect for ninjas.
1. Hit opponent TWF in his face 2. Turn invisible 3. back up, hit him once w/ reach 4. watch him swing midair, not knowing you had a reach weapon
For a ninja the DMG kusarigama is in all ways superior. TWF (with no penalties) and reach at the same time is both cool and effective. The one problem is the lack of power attack, but that's why you've got sneak attack.
Add in spell storing for more fun (ie grease etc).
Hilarious when used by a master thrower... ;)
I'm just the kind of picky person who would notice this, and it is listed simply as "greathammer" in both the monster's stat block and the table of contents of the book.
I must have an overactive imagination or something.
When I looked it up again (Because I could have sworn it was called GHMWH) you were correct.
Oh well. Ill be wrong, but I will still call it GHMWH.
D6 (x4). Slashing/Piercing.
One of the only 1h x4 criticals with slashing. Qualifies for Dervish if you want x4 crit for something.
Can be used at a -2 without the exotic weapon prof. feat.
Also gives a +4 bonus on climb checks
Probably inferior to Dragonsplit because it cannot be weapon finessed.
I must have an overactive imagination or something.
When I looked it up again (Because I could have sworn it was called GHMWH) you were correct.
Oh well. Ill be wrong, but I will still call it GHMWH.
How much does said hammer cost? I can't find a cost listed.
How much does said hammer cost? I can't find a cost listed.
Good catch.
Were I the DM, I'd say the price reads: kill a greathorn minotaur.
EDIT: Oh, and where is the heavy thing? I can't seem to find it. Or am I just blind?
Good catch.
Were I the DM, I'd say the price reads: kill a greathorn minotaur.
Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. Luckily, I am the DM, so I don't have much trouble justifying one of my BBEG's having one :p
Heavy weapons (treated gold/platinum) can be found on page 179.
Danke.
For a ninja the DMG kusarigama is in all ways superior. TWF (with no penalties) and reach at the same time is both cool and effective. The one problem is the lack of power attack, but that's why you've got sneak attack.
Just to clarify, it's not a double weapon, you can just weild 2 of them at the same time.
- A Monk Weapon (usable with a monk's flurry)
- Usable to trip and disarm
- Reach Weapon
I have been looking for a single weapon that meets all three of these requirements but have been having a hard time. Does anyone have any suggestions?
There's a Dragon feat that lets you flurry with a polearm.
They have a feat like that in Secrets of Sarlona as well.
Just to clarify, it's not a double weapon, you can just weild 2 of them at the same time.
Apparently there is a lot of confusion surrounding the kusarigama. I can't really understand why, but I'll try to lay things out fully in one post.
There are two versions of the kusarigama.
One is the 3.5e, core version. This is found in the DMG. It's a [u]light weapon[/u] with reach, and can be used to attack all threatened squares (like a spiked chain). It can be used to trip or disarm at a bonus.
The other is the 3.0e Oriental Adventures version. This is a two handed weapon which is finessable and can be used with reach like a spiked chain or as a double weapon. It can also be used for disarm and trip attacks.
For TWFing the OA kusarigama is inferior to the core version, because the OA one can't be used at reach. Because it is a light weapon, the core kusarigama can be used without penalty for TWFing (and you get Axl Low). For THF the OA kusarigama is inferior to the spiked chain because it does less damage.
Can anyone think of an exotic weapon that is:
- A Monk Weapon (usable with a monk's flurry)
- Usable to trip and disarm
- Reach Weapon
I have been looking for a single weapon that meets all three of these requirements but have been having a hard time. Does anyone have any suggestions?
I think the rope dagger/meteor hammer qualifies, although that's from Dragon.
One is the 3.5e, core version. This is found in the DMG. It's a light weapon with reach, and can be used to attack all threatened squares (like a spiked chain). It can be used to trip or disarm at a bonus.
What page is this found??
Apparently there is a lot of confusion surrounding the kusarigama. I can't really understand why, but I'll try to lay things out fully in one post.
There are two versions of the kusarigama.
One is the 3.5e, core version. This is found in the DMG. It's a [u]light weapon[/u] with reach, and can be used to attack all threatened squares (like a spiked chain). It can be used to trip or disarm at a bonus.
What page is this found?
Don't have my book with me.
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Can anyone think of an exotic weapon that is:
- A Monk Weapon (usable with a monk's flurry)
- Usable to trip and disarm
- Reach Weapon
I have been looking for a single weapon that meets all three of these requirements but have been having a hard time. Does anyone have any suggestions?
well you could always take shou disciple (from unapproachable east/forgotten realms)
your class levels in this PrC stack with your monk levels for determining unarmed dmg, flurry, AC bonus, and run speed.
at 3rd level, you gain the ability to flurry with any light weapon, whether its a monk weapon or not.
at 5th level, you can flurry with any martial weapon period.
it's only a 5 level prestige class that would fit what you want nicely, at least i think
Does anyone know what the fullblade is now? Does it do 2d8 as a Medium two-handed weapon?
i have no idea what size it counts as or anything at all, since that hasnt been clarified from 3.0 to 3.5, but i am pretty sure it is 2-handed or it wouldent make any sense ;)
Talenta Sharrash, post errata, is still pretty nasty, with reach and a 19-20/x3 crit.
As for Bastard Sword: Sadly, no. It's a feat for +1 damage compared to a longsword. Very sub-optimal. .
How about using it with two hands with Uncanny Blow from Exotic Weapon Master?
When I mentioned Bastard Sword and Dwarven Waraxe, I was actually thinking about Exotic Weapon Master's Uncanny Blow. That extra 0.5xSTR is nice. Also the Lightblade/Thinblade/Courtblade benefit from feats related to Short/Long/Greatswords respectively as well.
Does greatsword weapon focus/specialization also apply to Jovar, from the planar handbook 2d6 18-20/x2?
By the above logic, it should....
Does greatsword weapon focus/specialization also apply to Jovar, from the planar handbook 2d6 18-20/x2?
By the above logic, it should....
im not sure thats quite the same; he has it posted as a greatsword but with (insert stats here)
its really a diffrent weapon altogether, just similar stats.
And yes, the fullblade should be a medium two handed weapon.
JaronK
JaronK
Can anyone think of an exotic weapon that is:
- A Monk Weapon (usable with a monk's flurry)
- Usable to trip and disarm
- Reach Weapon
I have been looking for a single weapon that meets all three of these requirements but have been having a hard time. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Shou Disciple 5 + EWP(Spiked Chain).
Scorpion-tail whip. Can't remember the book offhand, but it does 1d43 damage.
Haha, on the other hand, maybe that was a typo...
Sandstorm. Yeah, it was a typo, but because you can make up dice on the D&D home page, I just use that ;)
Got to have an exotic weapon without the feat? A Fine +2 Skillful enhancement will give you prof with any melee weapon. Granted it is expensive but it also gives you cleric bab with that weapon... thought it needed to be said.
Mouthpick (LoM, Beholder section) weapons also do this. Only +1, but has to replace a bite attack and is generally cheesy.
This is the best polearm I found:
Dwarven Warpike, 2 handed, does 2d6 damage, has 20/x3 critical rating, does piercing or slashing damage, costs 45 gp, weighs 15 pounds, has hardness 5, has 10 hit points, has reach 10', can be set versus charge, can be used to make trip attacks, and counts as a polearm. From Races of Stone and Dragon 331.
And also, isnt there errata on the Greathammer? making it just 20/x4?
sorry for thread resurrection, but I find this topic interesting!
And then there's the fact that you can wield them two handed (which you likely want to do anyway) with just a martial weapon proficiency.
So not worth a feat. I might accept that in an Exotic Weapon Master build they're good, but in normal fightery type builds, the feats are traps and should be noted as such.
Also unless I'm mistaken, there'sthis: A Bastard Sword/Dwarven Waraxe is a 2-handed martial weapon that can be used in one hand, and thus counts as 2-handed for purposes of Disarming and Sundering (+4 for two-handed weapon, extra HP for someone sundering you).
The second ability in question (using a two-handed weapon in one hand) cannot be done with Martial or Simple weapons AFAIK (only some Exotics).
Mercurial Greatsword 2d8/x4 slashing is a good one. 600 gp
Mercurial Longsword 1d10/x3 (for those 1 handed weapon fans) 400 gp
From Swrod and Fist
Mercurial Greatsword 2d8/x4 slashing is a good one. 600 gp
Mercurial Longsword 1d10/x3 (for those 1 handed weapon fans) 400 gp
These were reprinted in Arms and Equipment Guide, doing 2d6x4 and d8x4 respectively. They're just exotic Scythe/Picks with slightly more damage, nothing too astounding.
Now, some of the weapons discussed earlier in this thread that do 19x3 or 19x4 criticals - those are something to look at.
They have save the same specs as the Spiked Chain aside from doing 1d4 of damage, is Flurry-able by Monks, and having 5' more of reach. 15' of reach.
The Meteor Hammer does Bludgeoning Damage (the Rope Dart is Piercing), and proficiency in one gives your proficiency in the other. And since it's WotC and not third party, it'll be easier for your DM to swallow.
There's a version of each weapon in Bastion Press' Arms and Armor that is a bit more realistic (the Meteor Hammer does more damage [1d6] while the Rope Dart is more precise [19-20]), and can be used as double weapons in addition to everything else, you could have a harder time letting it fly with the DM.
If one could overlook the 1d4 of damage the WotC versions use, a Monk or a Martial Adept could be nasty with these weapons.
Thanks for the suggestions everyone
Besides, it's the highest damage finessable weapon in the game AFAIK.
And wow, UCsimplyme, I think you mean the Spinning Sword, not the Hook Sword, but WOW, that's a good weapon.
Spinning Sword: 1d6, 19-20/x2, slashing damage, reach weapon, can be used at close range as well. And it's one handed.
No bonus to trip, but still.
Y'know, I know the Elven Courtblade isn't like... Godly, but I think it deserves a mention. 1d10 two handed weapon, with an 18-20/x2 crit range, and the ability to do pierce or slash at your option.
Besides, it's the highest damage finessable weapon in the game AFAIK.
And wow, UCsimplyme, I think you mean the Spinning Sword, not the Hook Sword, but WOW, that's a good weapon.
Spinning Sword: 1d6, 19-20/x2, slashing damage, reach weapon, can be used at close range as well. And it's one handed.
No bonus to trip, but still.
Hook Swords with the Flying Tiger feat can be hooked together to become a reach weapon. But yes, the Spinning Sword is a very, very good weapon.
Light weapon, 1d6/x2, slashing or piercing. Pretty sub-par, but check this: a +4 to grapple checks, and you can use them for damage with a grapple check, instead of the normal -4 attack rolls! That makes the +4 even better, since you can now enchant these and do significantly more grapple damage than would otherwise be feasible. I don't know why every non-monk grapple build ever doesn't use these.
(edit) Oh, and even better - not only can you use this on the offhand just fine, you can even do it without proficiency and still get that juicy +4! Monks with very lenient DMs could dual-wield these without proficiency for a +8 (questionable stacking rules, but oh well), and make unarmed attacks as normal with elbows and feet, as per Monk flavour text.
Scorpion Claws (Sandstorm)
Light weapon, 1d6/x2, slashing or piercing. Pretty sub-par, but check this: a +4 to grapple checks, and you can use them for damage with a grapple check, instead of the normal -4 attack rolls! That makes the +4 even better, since you can now enchant these and do significantly more grapple damage than would otherwise be feasible. I don't know why every non-monk grapple build ever doesn't use these.
That's nice... Good idea for Binders, too: The Triad + Zagan for a net +12 to grapple, and proficiency w/o spending a feat!
That's nice... Good idea for Binders, too: The Triad + Zagan for a net +12 to grapple, and proficiency w/o spending a feat!
The only question is whether you can dual-wield them for a +8. One could argue that, at least in this case, it's two distinct objects and hence the unnamed bonuses stack, and the visual image for this makes sense, grabbing onto enemies with both at the same time. Depends on your definition of "from the same source" I suppose.
Do note that you don't have to wield it as your primary weapon in order to get the bonus. Is there any one-handed weapon that gives you an "Improved Grab" equivalent power like the Sharktooth does?
And I now see that it has been mentioned, lol.
I think there should be a polearm on this list, because there are many situations where a polearm is useful... and also some interesting feats that apply to polearms...
This is the best polearm I found:
Dwarven Warpike, 2 handed, does 2d6 damage, has 20/x3 critical rating, does piercing or slashing damage, costs 45 gp, weighs 15 pounds, has hardness 5, has 10 hit points, has reach 10', can be set versus charge, can be used to make trip attacks, and counts as a polearm. From Races of Stone and Dragon 331.
The warpike deserves a mention, yes. And also:
Two-bladed sword: if you absolutely have to go two-weapon fighting and greatsword + armor spikes is too cheesy for your DM, this is one of the best weapons, because it is 1d8/1d8 19-20x2, and can be used two-handed when you only have one attack (like when charging).
Great Bow: it is just a composite longbow that does 1d10 base damage with 150’ range increments. Not great, but some interesting things can be done with Exotic Weapon Master. I don’t think there are many other bow-type exotic weapons.
The best range you can get before magic is a Dragonbone Composite Greatbow, at 150' base range increment.
JaronK
Becuase now it's a melee weapon as well.
Mouthpick (LoM, Beholder section) weapons also do this. Only +1, but has to replace a bite attack and is generally cheesy.
And a warshaper can grow himself a bite attack... Hehe! :D
A Mouthpick Fullblade? That's what I call using your head (=
Actually I wanted to ask, whether you can use spinning sword to TWF. I'm still waiting for the book.
Actually I wanted to ask, whether you can use spinning sword to TWF. I'm still waiting for the book.
It's a One Handed, Finessible Weapon. Yes, you can use TWF with it, but you'll be better off getting Feycraft Spinning Swords, so they do 1d4 damage, but are light weapons - you can't use them in two hands anyway, since the text says you can't.
Players in my campaign will soon encounter a rogue using 2 of those at once. :D
7d6 SA, ITWF and Reach are a scary combo.
Ok, I will wade into this topic (because it is occuring to my current character)
I like the Valenar double scimitar. Put this in the hands of a ranger in light armor and the two handed penalties are only -2/-2. You now have two attacks that do 1d6 each with a crit of 18-20X2. But lets take it further. Now take the feat improve critical. Now the crit range is 15-20X2 to each attack. Not too bad
Needs Incarnum Blade and Power Critical. There's nothing better than having a +8 on the roll to confirm critical hits when you already threaten them 25 % of the time.
The only question is whether you can dual-wield them for a +8. One could argue that, at least in this case, it's two distinct objects and hence the unnamed bonuses stack, and the visual image for this makes sense, grabbing onto enemies with both at the same time. Depends on your definition of "from the same source" I suppose.
If you could, then that's +16 to the Binder's grapple check...
Would the Sharktooth Staff, being a Large 3.0 weapon, convert to 3.5's two-handed Medium, or one-handed Large? Because I can see a Goliath EWM/WarHulk doing nasty, nasty things with that if it is one-handed Large...
It doesn't matter either way - they can each weild them that way, just whichever it wasn't designed for takes a -2 to attack rolls with it.
It doesn't matter either way - they can each weild them that way, just whichever it wasn't designed for takes a -2 to attack rolls with it.
Well, it may run into issues with the EWM weapon trick, and getting rid of that -2 would be nice too
Vulcanian Thunder Club:
1D10 Damage
Crit: x2
Bludgeoning
Special: As a standard action shoot a 20ft cone of iron pellets dealing 2D4 damage. DC 15 Reflex save for half damage.
What about the Fukimi-bari? Arms and Equipment guide. Works like shurikens used to, but I don't think they've been updated. One attack turns into three to-hit rolls, leading to silliness - no Strength bonus to damage, though.
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I believe Kaorti weapons are in the Fiend Folio.
Kaorti gets you a weapon with 18-20/x4. Add keen. A 15-20/x4 crit range sounds fun, wouldn't you say?
I believe Kaorti weapons are in the Fiend Folio.
It can be found online: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031014a.
Keen is obvious. Learn about Disciple of Dispater builds. Kensai Vorpality to unarmed strike.
It may not be the greatest weapon on the planet but I've been partial to the Vulcanian Thunder Club, from Dragon Compendium, for quite a while. From the picture and the description how do people feel about it being banded in adamantine and counting as such? What about the Distance property for a 40 foot cone attack?
Vulcanian Thunder Club:
1D10 Damage
Crit: x2
Bludgeoning
Special: As a standard action shoot a 20ft cone of iron pellets dealing 2D4 damage. DC 15 Reflex save for half damage.
the heck is that thunder club? is it a magical weapon? if not im picturing a giant blunderbuss!
It can be found online: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031014a.
Keen is obvious. Learn about Disciple of Dispater builds. Kensai Vorpality to unarmed strike.
Don't forget Blood in the Water. Never forget Blood in the Water.
It can be found online: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031014a.
Keen is obvious. Learn about Disciple of Dispater builds. Kensai Vorpality to unarmed strike.
Kaorti won't stack with Disciple of Dispater, as DoD only works with weapons made mostly of iron.
the heck is that thunder club? is it a magical weapon? if not im picturing a giant blunderbuss!
It's in Dragon Compendium and is loaded with an alchemical pack of alchemists fire and iron shot, so yes it's a blunderbuss. It can be reloaded manually and holds one shot.
Kaorti won't stack with Disciple of Dispater, as DoD only works with weapons made mostly of iron.
Metalline?
Does anyone understand the post in that thread that says '1. oil of metalline, 2. lots of copper, 3. profit?' because how can you have an Oil of a weapon-material?
A +2 weapon enhancement is still a big price. I am wondering how it can be reduced. Is there a way to transmutate the material something is made of, particularly from its original material to metalline (as opposed to something like flesh to stone)?
Wouldn't that stop it being Kaort resin, thereby losing the x4 multiplier?
I agree with you, once it turns into something its no longer its former self. Anyhow, I have never seen that web enhancement and I can only say : WOW
P.S. Why has nobody mentioned the Gnome Quickrazor?
(And if someone did, I blame the search function...)
Exotic 1h 1d8 17-20 (yes, 17-20) /x2 crit
Works as a chain for reach and threatened squares, too!
And has slashing damage, not piercing, so you can go dervish with this thing
Chainblade anyone?
Exotic 1h 1d8 17-20 (yes, 17-20) /x2 crit
Works as a chain for reach and threatened squares, too!
And has slashing damage, not piercing, so you can go dervish with this thing
Where is that... THING... from?
Where is that... THING... from?
The Torn Asunder Eberron book. I believe it is a third-party text, as you can imagine based off of the absolutely hilarious statistics. "Thing" is right.
-ktkenshinx-
FenixLord wrote:
FenixLord wrote:
The spiked chain itself is worth it for the right build, since it combines reach with finesse and tripping ability, which could be desirable for a more Dex-based lockdown specialist. And there's the kusari-gama, which gives reach on a light weapon, or the gnome quickrazor, which is useful for this that trigger on the drawing of a weapon. You generally want some special combination of properties to justify taking an Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat for a weapon.