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Feat for the sneak attack against creature immune sneak attack

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#1
Slad_Chaos
Oct 14, 2008 7:02:03 Hello,

I search a feat, I believe that permit to use the sneak attack against creature immune sneak attack.

I believe that the effect was the half damage or something as it.

Do you know the feat ? If yes, which feat is, and what book ?

Thanks for your future answer.
#2
pithica
Oct 14, 2008 7:14:02 I don't know of a Feat, but in Dungeonscape there's an Alternative Class Feature for rogues (p. 13) that grants half sneak attack damage if actually flanking a foe immune to them.

There are also two Items in the MIC, both Weapon Augment Crystals, one that grants the ability to Sneak Attack (and Crit) undead (Greater Truedeath Crystal), the other constructs (Greater Demolition Crystal).

There are also spells in the Spell Compendium, Golem Strike and Grave Strike which do the same for a single round. And a spell in Complete Mage called Critical Strike which lets you sneak attack someone with concealment.

EDIT: Oh, and there's another spell in Spell Compendium, Persistant Blade, which can flank a target for you.

There are also a number of feats/class abilities that force your target to count as 'flat-footed', for a single attack or all attacks in a given round.

Between all of them, Sneak Attack becomes much more likely to work, though still not foolproof. If there's a feat out there that makes it foolproof, I'd like to know about it as well.
#3
innabinder
Oct 14, 2008 7:34:01 There's a 3rd party Feat (don't recall the publisher - Mongoose?) called Death Angel to SA undead. It's not WotC official, though.
#4
pithica
Oct 14, 2008 7:45:21 That reminds me...

There's also the 'Divine Trickster' PrC over at GitP that let's you spend turn undead attempts to SA undead.

And I believe the Assassin base class from Green Ronin grants the ability to SA creatures not immune at some point in it's progression (been a long time since I looked at that, though.)
#5
BloodDragon
Oct 14, 2008 7:57:06
Hello,

I search a feat, I believe that permit to use the sneak attack against creature immune sneak attack.

I believe that the effect was the half damage or something as it.

Do you know the feat ? If yes, which feat is, and what book ?

Thanks for your future answer.

"Expedition to Castle Ravenloft" book.

Lightbringer Rogue: Deal half of your normal SA damage to undead.

I believe in races of stone there is a dwarven rogue subsitution that may deal damage to Constructs (Or just objects)

Or your could just buy a wand of ~~Arcane~~ Golem Strike, Grave Strike, and Vinestrike. (Constructs, undead, Planet) to off set your SA-immune problems. UMD is your best friend.
~~Can't remeber if those spells are 1st or 2nd level: $13,500 for all three wands if they're 2nd level.~~ They're 1st level so $2,250 total for all three wands (which is a steal).
#6
pithica
Oct 14, 2008 8:37:24
Arcane Strike

It's 'Golem Strike'. Arcane Strike is a feat from CW that does something entirely different.

I forgot about Vine Strike. All of them are 1st level.

So, to sum up:

1. Take Penetrating Strike ACF from Dungeonscape and do half SA damage to anything immune as long as you're actually flanking.
2. Cast (or wand) Persistent Blade when noone in the party is flanking for you.
3. If you know you are going to be fighting a lot of Constructs or Undead, buy Augment Crystal of appropriate type(s).
4. Cast (or wand) Golem, Grave, or Vine strike if facing the appropriate mob without a Crystal.
5. Cast (or wand) Critical Strike if opponent has concealment.

That combo pretty much means that you only have to worry about creatures that can't be flanked AND have no discernible anatomy AND are never flat-footed AND aren't a plant, golem, or undead.
#7
deathlessjuan
Oct 14, 2008 9:45:52 There is also an alternative class feature for Rogues in the Complete Champions book that 1/2 Sneak Attack to be applied to undead. I am away from my books at the moment, so I can't be more precise.
#8
muertog
Oct 14, 2008 13:14:05 Alt class feature for rogue is Death's Ruin. Replaces trap sense feature at 3rd rogue level.

Not -quite- sneak attack, but Swift Hunter allows Scouts to skirmish against any Favored Enemies selected via Ranger, even if normally immune to extra damage/critical hits.
#9
reis
Oct 14, 2008 13:17:57 isn't there deathstrike bracers or some such in MIC too that lets you SA any opponent up to 3 rounds/day?
#10
muertog
Oct 14, 2008 13:23:07 Additionally, there is Holy Stalker from CD that allows you to add 2 points of positive energy damage for each sneak attack die you would normally roll against undead creatures. You do not roll sneak attack dice.

Wonder how -that- works in conjunction if you could somehow manage to critical hit the undead as well...

Deathstrike bracers is in the MIC. 3 times/day, has to be activated before attack, only for melee weapons, and lasts 1 round per use.
#11
natenate
Oct 14, 2008 13:51:40 There's a feat called Finding the Secrets in the Kingdom of Kalamar player's guide. It is 3rd party material, but it is also an officially licensed D&D setting. The feat requires Improved Critical, BAB +9, and 6 ranks in the relevant Knowledge skill for which type of creature you wish to be able to crit/sneak attack (Religion for undead, Dungeoneering for oozes, Nature for plants, Planes for elementals, Arcana for constructs).

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#1 Slad_Chaos Oct 14, 2008 7:02:03	Hello, I search a feat, I believe that permit to use the sneak attack against creature immune sneak attack. I believe that the effect was the half damage or something as it. Do you know the feat ? If yes, which feat is, and what book ? Thanks for your future answer.
#2 pithica Oct 14, 2008 7:14:02	I don't know of a Feat, but in Dungeonscape there's an Alternative Class Feature for rogues (p. 13) that grants half sneak attack damage if actually flanking a foe immune to them. There are also two Items in the MIC, both Weapon Augment Crystals, one that grants the ability to Sneak Attack (and Crit) undead (Greater Truedeath Crystal), the other constructs (Greater Demolition Crystal). There are also spells in the Spell Compendium, Golem Strike and Grave Strike which do the same for a single round. And a spell in Complete Mage called Critical Strike which lets you sneak attack someone with concealment. EDIT: Oh, and there's another spell in Spell Compendium, Persistant Blade, which can flank a target for you. There are also a number of feats/class abilities that force your target to count as 'flat-footed', for a single attack or all attacks in a given round. Between all of them, Sneak Attack becomes much more likely to work, though still not foolproof. If there's a feat out there that makes it foolproof, I'd like to know about it as well.
#3 innabinder Oct 14, 2008 7:34:01	There's a 3rd party Feat (don't recall the publisher - Mongoose?) called Death Angel to SA undead. It's not WotC official, though.
#4 pithica Oct 14, 2008 7:45:21	That reminds me... There's also the 'Divine Trickster' PrC over at GitP that let's you spend turn undead attempts to SA undead. And I believe the Assassin base class from Green Ronin grants the ability to SA creatures not immune at some point in it's progression (been a long time since I looked at that, though.)
#5 BloodDragon Oct 14, 2008 7:57:06	Hello, I search a feat, I believe that permit to use the sneak attack against creature immune sneak attack. I believe that the effect was the half damage or something as it. Do you know the feat ? If yes, which feat is, and what book ? Thanks for your future answer. "Expedition to Castle Ravenloft" book. Lightbringer Rogue: Deal half of your normal SA damage to undead. I believe in races of stone there is a dwarven rogue subsitution that may deal damage to Constructs (Or just objects) Or your could just buy a wand of ~~Arcane~~ Golem Strike, Grave Strike, and Vinestrike. (Constructs, undead, Planet) to off set your SA-immune problems. UMD is your best friend. ~~Can't remeber if those spells are 1st or 2nd level: $13,500 for all three wands if they're 2nd level.~~ They're 1st level so $2,250 total for all three wands (which is a steal).
#6 pithica Oct 14, 2008 8:37:24	Arcane Strike It's 'Golem Strike'. Arcane Strike is a feat from CW that does something entirely different. I forgot about Vine Strike. All of them are 1st level. So, to sum up: 1. Take Penetrating Strike ACF from Dungeonscape and do half SA damage to anything immune as long as you're actually flanking. 2. Cast (or wand) Persistent Blade when noone in the party is flanking for you. 3. If you know you are going to be fighting a lot of Constructs or Undead, buy Augment Crystal of appropriate type(s). 4. Cast (or wand) Golem, Grave, or Vine strike if facing the appropriate mob without a Crystal. 5. Cast (or wand) Critical Strike if opponent has concealment. That combo pretty much means that you only have to worry about creatures that can't be flanked AND have no discernible anatomy AND are never flat-footed AND aren't a plant, golem, or undead.
#7 deathlessjuan Oct 14, 2008 9:45:52	There is also an alternative class feature for Rogues in the Complete Champions book that 1/2 Sneak Attack to be applied to undead. I am away from my books at the moment, so I can't be more precise.
#8 muertog Oct 14, 2008 13:14:05	Alt class feature for rogue is Death's Ruin. Replaces trap sense feature at 3rd rogue level. Not -quite- sneak attack, but Swift Hunter allows Scouts to skirmish against any Favored Enemies selected via Ranger, even if normally immune to extra damage/critical hits.
#9 reis Oct 14, 2008 13:17:57	isn't there deathstrike bracers or some such in MIC too that lets you SA any opponent up to 3 rounds/day?
#10 muertog Oct 14, 2008 13:23:07	Additionally, there is Holy Stalker from CD that allows you to add 2 points of positive energy damage for each sneak attack die you would normally roll against undead creatures. You do not roll sneak attack dice. Wonder how -that- works in conjunction if you could somehow manage to critical hit the undead as well... Deathstrike bracers is in the MIC. 3 times/day, has to be activated before attack, only for melee weapons, and lasts 1 round per use.
#11 natenate Oct 14, 2008 13:51:40	There's a feat called Finding the Secrets in the Kingdom of Kalamar player's guide. It is 3rd party material, but it is also an officially licensed D&D setting. The feat requires Improved Critical, BAB +9, and 6 ranks in the relevant Knowledge skill for which type of creature you wish to be able to crit/sneak attack (Religion for undead, Dungeoneering for oozes, Nature for plants, Planes for elementals, Arcana for constructs).