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Feats for Nar Demonbinder / UM

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#1
faedro
Jul 16, 2009 22:12:17 Ok. Here's the build:

Wiz(conj)5 / Master Specialist 1 / Nar Demonbinder 1 / UM 10 / Archmage 2

Feat Requirements:
Lvl1: Mother Cyst. lvl6: SF: Conj. lvl 7: Iron Will, Greater SF: Conj. lvl 8: metamagic feat. lvl 19: SF: something else.

I also need to have Knowledge(Planes) as a class skill, so... Apprentice(Spellcaster) from the DMG?

That brings the feat requirement up to 7 feats, as Skill Focus is granted by the MS class.

How do I do this and still take metamagic feats? What metamagic feats are best for blasting on the battlefield?

I might be able to take 2 flaws, which would help. Is there a different build, or different feats or entry methods to these classes?
#2
Balthanon
Jul 16, 2009 22:38:51 Wizards have all knowledge skills as class skills-- you don't need the apprentice feat. You're a level short on the spellcasting though-- you need 4th level spells before you take your first level of Nar Demondbinder, so at least 7 levels. You also need Spell Focus before taking Master Specialist, so it needs to come in at 3rd level. For Iron Will, I would probably pick that up through an Otyugh Hole legendary location if possible.

The build would likely be Conjurer 5/Master Specialist 2/Nar Demonbinder 1/Ultimate Magus 10/Archmage 2. Feats:
1st - Mother Cyst, B: Human, B: Scribe Scroll
3rd - Spell Focus (Conjuration)
5th - B: Metamagic Feat
6th - Any
7th - Iron Will (Legendary Location)
9th - Any
12th - Any
15th - Any
18th - Spell Focus (Any)

You're actually pretty open on feats as you can see, the only requirements you have are Spell Focus (Conjuration), Iron Will (able to be bought for 3000 gold), Spell Focus (one other), and Skill Focus (spellcraft) [bonus feat]. For skill points, the only one that should cause you any problems is Intimidate, which you'll need to buy cross class. You can still get 5 ranks at 7th level though.
#3
acereraklives
Jul 18, 2009 11:47:40 Instead of using mother cyst, you could also choose spontaneous conjuration (UA, trades away conjuration bonus slots) or spontaneous divination (CC, trades 5th level feat), which will save you a feat. Spontaneous divination is pretty awesome, though Spont. Conj can be taken at 1st level.

Conjurer 3/Master Specialist 4/Nar Demonbinder 1/Ultimate Magus 10/Archmage 2. Feats:
1st - Spell Focus (Conjuration), B: Human: Any, B: Wizard: Augment Summoning (UA ACF)
3rd - Extend Spell (or any other metamagic feat)
4th: B - Skill Focus (Spellcraft)
6th: B - GSF: Conj.
6th - Any
7th - Iron Will (Legendary Location)
9th - Any
12th - Any
15th - Any
18th - Spell Focus (Any)
#4
faedro
Jul 18, 2009 12:11:21 Ok. I need to finalize my character.

I took 2 flaws, and as part of my character's backstory I picked up Iron Will. I got a good trade, as my companions only have extra gold at level 3 from being nobility.

So, my feats look like this:

1: SF: Conjuration
Human: SF: Necromancy
Flaw: Mother Cyst
Flaw: Energy Substitution
Bonus: Iron Will
3: Reserve Feat: Acidic Splatter
5wiz bonus: Energy Adamixture
6:
6MS Bonus: Skill Focus: Spellcraft
9:
11UM Bonus:
12:
15:
15UM Bonus:
18:

It looks like I've got all my bases covered in the first few levels for all the prestige classes. Afterwards, I've got 6 feats to make the best of my metamagic. I say 6 because I might have to take Greater Spell Focus: Conjuration, according to my DM. The Wizards excerpt says that it's a requirement for the Nar Demonbinder. Is this correct? The book only has the normal Spell Focus.

Any optimizers want to let me know the best bang for my buck? And is energy adamixture a waste? I feel that with UM it can essentially double my damage on casts?
#5
Balthanon
Jul 18, 2009 14:01:06 Greater Spell Focus isn't a requirement, though if your DM demands it, the easiest thing to do would probably be to jump into Master Specialist early so you can grab the 3rd level and get it for free. I don't use metamagic much myself, however, if you look in the "Handy Links" thread there should be a few in there about the use of metamagic.
#6
Senevri
Jul 19, 2009 7:19:34 If you take Substitution, you might as well take Admixture. Alternatively, Twin is often useful, and I personally like Widen and Sculpt, although they are expensive. Quicken is a must have, naturally, and Empower gives a good cost/benefit ratio.

It really depends on the sort of the things you want to do.

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#1 faedro Jul 16, 2009 22:12:17	Ok. Here's the build: Wiz(conj)5 / Master Specialist 1 / Nar Demonbinder 1 / UM 10 / Archmage 2 Feat Requirements: Lvl1: Mother Cyst. lvl6: SF: Conj. lvl 7: Iron Will, Greater SF: Conj. lvl 8: metamagic feat. lvl 19: SF: something else. I also need to have Knowledge(Planes) as a class skill, so... Apprentice(Spellcaster) from the DMG? That brings the feat requirement up to 7 feats, as Skill Focus is granted by the MS class. How do I do this and still take metamagic feats? What metamagic feats are best for blasting on the battlefield? I might be able to take 2 flaws, which would help. Is there a different build, or different feats or entry methods to these classes?
#2 Balthanon Jul 16, 2009 22:38:51	Wizards have all knowledge skills as class skills-- you don't need the apprentice feat. You're a level short on the spellcasting though-- you need 4th level spells before you take your first level of Nar Demondbinder, so at least 7 levels. You also need Spell Focus before taking Master Specialist, so it needs to come in at 3rd level. For Iron Will, I would probably pick that up through an Otyugh Hole legendary location if possible. The build would likely be Conjurer 5/Master Specialist 2/Nar Demonbinder 1/Ultimate Magus 10/Archmage 2. Feats: 1st - Mother Cyst, B: Human, B: Scribe Scroll 3rd - Spell Focus (Conjuration) 5th - B: Metamagic Feat 6th - Any 7th - Iron Will (Legendary Location) 9th - Any 12th - Any 15th - Any 18th - Spell Focus (Any) You're actually pretty open on feats as you can see, the only requirements you have are Spell Focus (Conjuration), Iron Will (able to be bought for 3000 gold), Spell Focus (one other), and Skill Focus (spellcraft) [bonus feat]. For skill points, the only one that should cause you any problems is Intimidate, which you'll need to buy cross class. You can still get 5 ranks at 7th level though.
#3 acereraklives Jul 18, 2009 11:47:40	Instead of using mother cyst, you could also choose spontaneous conjuration (UA, trades away conjuration bonus slots) or spontaneous divination (CC, trades 5th level feat), which will save you a feat. Spontaneous divination is pretty awesome, though Spont. Conj can be taken at 1st level. Conjurer 3/Master Specialist 4/Nar Demonbinder 1/Ultimate Magus 10/Archmage 2. Feats: 1st - Spell Focus (Conjuration), B: Human: Any, B: Wizard: Augment Summoning (UA ACF) 3rd - Extend Spell (or any other metamagic feat) 4th: B - Skill Focus (Spellcraft) 6th: B - GSF: Conj. 6th - Any 7th - Iron Will (Legendary Location) 9th - Any 12th - Any 15th - Any 18th - Spell Focus (Any)
#4 faedro Jul 18, 2009 12:11:21	Ok. I need to finalize my character. I took 2 flaws, and as part of my character's backstory I picked up Iron Will. I got a good trade, as my companions only have extra gold at level 3 from being nobility. So, my feats look like this: 1: SF: Conjuration Human: SF: Necromancy Flaw: Mother Cyst Flaw: Energy Substitution Bonus: Iron Will 3: Reserve Feat: Acidic Splatter 5wiz bonus: Energy Adamixture 6: 6MS Bonus: Skill Focus: Spellcraft 9: 11UM Bonus: 12: 15: 15UM Bonus: 18: It looks like I've got all my bases covered in the first few levels for all the prestige classes. Afterwards, I've got 6 feats to make the best of my metamagic. I say 6 because I might have to take Greater Spell Focus: Conjuration, according to my DM. The Wizards excerpt says that it's a requirement for the Nar Demonbinder. Is this correct? The book only has the normal Spell Focus. Any optimizers want to let me know the best bang for my buck? And is energy adamixture a waste? I feel that with UM it can essentially double my damage on casts?
#5 Balthanon Jul 18, 2009 14:01:06	Greater Spell Focus isn't a requirement, though if your DM demands it, the easiest thing to do would probably be to jump into Master Specialist early so you can grab the 3rd level and get it for free. I don't use metamagic much myself, however, if you look in the "Handy Links" thread there should be a few in there about the use of metamagic.
#6 Senevri Jul 19, 2009 7:19:34	If you take Substitution, you might as well take Admixture. Alternatively, Twin is often useful, and I personally like Widen and Sculpt, although they are expensive. Quicken is a must have, naturally, and Empower gives a good cost/benefit ratio. It really depends on the sort of the things you want to do.