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| #1aquantusJul 05, 2011 8:43:21 | Human Fighter 1 Fighter Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Spiked Chain, Power Attack, Weapon Focus: Spiked Chain 2 Fighter Combat Expertise 3 Fighter Improved Trip 4 Fighter Weapon Specialisation: Spiked Chain 5 Fighter 6 Fighter Improved Bull Rush, Shock Trooper 7 EWM Weapon Trick Flurry of Strikes 8 Fighter 9 Fighter Melee Weapon Mastery: Piercing, Combat Reflexes 10 EWM Weapon Trick Exotic Reach 11 Fighter 12 Fighter Improved Disarm, Leap Attack 13 Fighter 14 Fighter Hold The Line 15 Fighter 16 Fighter Defensive Sweep 17 Fighter 18 Fighter Deft Oppertunist 19 Fighter 20 Fighter Expert Tactician This gives you some nice options: Bull Rush Domino Rush + Improved Trip Heedless Charge+Power Attack+Leap Attack Improved Trip Improved Disarm Lots of AOO's Get a speed enchant on the spike chain and you have 6 attacks in full round attack. I would like to get some feedback on this build please. Regards, Aqua |
| #2KruskJul 05, 2011 10:08:48 | forgot two feats, one at 15 and one at 18. I recomend weapon supremacy and overwhelming assault. You have to shuffel some feat orders to get WS. Don't take improved disarm, its not really worth it. Many foes don't use weapons, or are so big you won't be able to do it. I'd only do the first EWM, and instead take a level of lion totem barbaria. Fullattack on a charge is great with shock trooper/leap attacking. |
| #3NezkrulJul 05, 2011 10:49:23 | "Overpowering Attack" not overwhelming assault, it is a replacement feat in the alternate class options for fighter in the PHB2 at Fig 16. Improved Disarm is worth it if you face off against lots of weapon/shield/staff/wand using opponents in your campaign. You can also disarm things like potions, scrolls, dorje's, basially anything someone holds in their hand. Full Attack on a charge is awesome, and definitely worth it; however he will end up with multiclass XP penalty. And it is debateable weather or not you get your leap attack bonus on every attack you make during the charge instead of just the first one. Aelrynth's lockdown build is superior to this one if you do take Overpowering Attack at 16th. If you take OPA you should build the entire class around that feature to make the most of it. Feats like Robilar's Gambit and/or Karmic Strike make you get even more AoO. If you want a crazy amount of reach as a human with the spiked chain, look into taking Aberration Blood and Inhuman Reach feats (lords of madness). Also consider getting Thicket of Blades stance as soon as possible (10th level), takes 2 feats but makes your reach even more deadly against mobile opponents. And why no Standstill? it is sooooo good. Combine Standstill with Hold the Line and Overpowering Attack and post 16th level you'll never ever get charged unless the charger has the same or more reach than you. |
| #4aquantusJul 05, 2011 10:50:14 | Ah, thanks for the tip.. Now I was wondering though.. EWM Also has Uncanny Blow: -> If he has the Power Attack feat, he treats the weapon as two-handed for purposes of determining his bonus on damage rolls. <- Leap Attack: You can combine a jump with a charge against an opponent. If you cover at least 10 feet of horizontal distance with your jump, and you end your jump in a square from which you threaten your target, you can double the extra damage dealt by your use of the Power Attack feat. If you use this tactic with a two-handed weapon, you instead triple the extra damage from Power Attack. Lets say I take one level of Totem Barbarian to get Pounce, Uncanny blow from EWM, Shock Trooper and Leap Attack and then go for dual wielding bastards sword at level 20 both a +5 speed weapon. Do I then qualify for Leap attack 3 time bonus on power attack because of Uncanny Blow? thats nets me 9 attacks on a full attack action, Meaning I can have 9 attack with a +120 damage? Asuming you take -20 to get +40 and then Triple that because of Leap Attack?
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| #5aelryinthJul 05, 2011 20:17:36 | That's pretty much how leap attack and Power Attack work, yep. That's how Frenzied Berserkers One hit entire parties. Supreme Power Attack for +240 dmg per attack on a Leap Attack, Valorous Weapon for x2 on charge, Enlarge, reach weapon. 20'r attack, Supreme Cleave, one shots PC's better then an AoE spell with min 300+ dmg (Strength, etc). And then he gets Pounce if you happen to have a 30 Con dwarf and actually need a second attack. ========== It wouldn't be +120 per attack. It'd be +80 dmg, although if Valorous and Pouncing, yeah, you'd butcher em. Uberchargers define Rocket Tag. Leap Attack adds +100% to a Power Attack, but after the doubling, not before. i.e. -20 = +40. So, two handed -20 leap attacking is +40 +40, if you aren't doubling dmg. If you are, it is +40 PA to dmg, x2 to fixed mods, and then Leap Attack at the end adds another +40...you end up at +120. ==Aelryinth |
| #6KruskJul 06, 2011 11:28:07 | Full Attack on a charge is awesome, and definitely worth it; however he will end up with multiclass XP penalty. And it is debateable weather or not you get your leap attack bonus on every attack you make during the charge instead of just the first one.
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| #7aquantusJul 07, 2011 17:18:10 | aha..... well thanks for the feedback, gave me some idea's ^^ I'll be doing some more research and number crunching ![]() |
| #8Tempest_StormwindJul 07, 2011 17:51:22 | Krusk, long before Complete Cheeseball was published, I maintained a list of other ways for PCs to get Pounce. I kind of stopped updating it around the time Sandstorm came out, but nonetheless, there are ways to do it without Lion Totem:The Grand Compilation of Full-Attack Charging PC Tricks My favorite method is an item that manifests Psionic Lion's Charge, but that can get expensive. (And yes, it's Complete Cheeseball. One level of Lion Totem Barbarian gives you an epic feat directly related to combat. (There are other examples of this - goliaths have a racial ability that's better than Legendary Leaper - but none are combat related.)) |
| #9KruskJul 08, 2011 5:57:59 | I didn't think lion totem was the only way. But when you have one super easy way, in a commonly accepted book, why would you bother with the more complicated methods? List is super hands, but in the end most martial builds benefit from a dip in barbarian. Rage, is handy for everyone but gish's. Gish's can take an alternative class feature and get notrage and pounce. |