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#1 who8mybrownie Jun 28, 2010 15:36:46	Pathfinder Elf 32 point buy Str:12 Dex:16 Con:14 Int:18 +4 inherent Wis:10 Cha: 8 1. Wizard- (Pathfinder) Elven racial sub from Races of Wild: Generalist Wizardy 2. Swash Buckler 1 (Complete Warrior) 3. Swashbuckler 2 4. Swashbuckler 3 5. Fighter 1 6. Fighter 2 7. Abjurant Champion 1 (Complete Mage) 8. Abjurant Champion 2 9. Abjurant Champion 3 10. Abjurant Champion 4 11. Abjurant Champion 5 12.Havok Mage 1 (miniatures handbook i think, or phbII) 13. Havok Mage 2 14. Havok Mage 3 15.Havok Mage 4 16. Havok Mage 5 Feats (Pathfinder) 1. Combat Casting 3. Somatic Weaponry 5. Empower Spell/Sculpt Spell ? 1 Fighter. Power Attack 2 Fighter. Weapon Focus: Elven Court Sword 7. Craft Wondrous Item 9.Quicken Spell 11. Arcane Thesis (Fireball) 13.Explosive Spell 15. Maximize He would have an unequipped AC of 33 (Adjurant Shield and Greater, Mage Armor), a BAB of 13, a caster lvl of 13, Int+Strength to melee dmg, free standard spell cast with a full melee attack.  I would use CWI to make most of his gear at 1/2 price.
#2 rydi123 Jun 28, 2010 16:27:57	First off, note that your abjurant champ can't use it's armor enhancement on mage armor, only abjuration spells; the authors screwed up.  The only armor spells you can use are from BoED, the luminous armor spells. If you want to keep swashbuckler, and can't take ToB classes: 1-Fighter 2-Wizard 3-Swashbuckler 4-Swashbuckler 5-Swashbuckler 6-Spellsword 7-11-Abj.Champ 12+-Eldritch Knight This loses fewer caster levels, and havoc mage doesn't do much. If you can use manuevers: 1-Warblade 2-6-Wizard 7-Jade Phoenix Mage (JPM) 8-JPM 9-13-Abjurant Champ 14-20-JPM Gets 17 CL's and +17BAB, though it loses a bit of BAB frontloaded. --- As far as feats go, I'd suggest looking at something more focused that enhances a specific side of the character, either the warrior or the mage.  At the very least, don't Arcane Thesis your fireball, it's inefficient as a spell.  You might look at Arcane Strike from C.Warrior for some extra damage.  Somatic Weaponry is actually not very useful, as placing your hand on or removing it from a two handed weapon is a free action (thus making somatic weaponry unnecessary).
#3 wings_of_peace Jun 29, 2010 4:24:31	My knowledge of Pathfinder is very poor so correct any mistakes I make. Legacy Champion would add with Abjurant Champion for determining the AC bonus to Abjurations. Is the starting level 16 or is that just how far you plan on getting?  Because Arcane Disciple: War will net you Divine Power which with Incantatrix or Spelldancer could be persisted very easily to grant you the BaB you want.  Combine that with Persistent Wraithstrike and you should be able to hit almost anything. Are flaws allowed or are they ruled out in Pathfinder?  Because flaws would net you some easy feats.  Is it necessary for you to be an elf?  I ask because Human with the Character Background: Celestial-Attended Birth would allow you to be human for the feat (If they get the feat in Pathfinder) and qualify as an outsider which gives you access to alot of nice defensive Alter Selfs forms.  You could take the character background as an elf too but it wouldn't let net you an extra feat.
#4 Omen_of_Peace Jun 29, 2010 7:20:17	Legacy Champion would add with Abjurant Champion for determining the AC bonus to Abjurations. Or not, because it's not clear Legacy Champion lets you progress a PrC beyond its limit... I also like Swiftblade as a gish PrC: it loses a lot of CLs but has an amazing, if slow, pay-off in return. For instance, Wizard 6/Swiftblade 2/Abjurant Champion 5/Swiftblade +7
#5 wings_of_peace Jun 29, 2010 9:10:36	Legacy Champion would add with Abjurant Champion for determining the AC bonus to Abjurations. Or not, because it's not clear Legacy Champion lets you progress a PrC beyond its limit... Depends on his DM really, Legacy Champion's wording is vague enough to at least stage an argument for its use.  If he can take it then more power to him.
#6 spiral_rider_h Jun 29, 2010 11:20:17	I've tried making a gish with Havoc Mage a few times, but I just keep finding it's a trap... Lost caster levels are always a problem. I propose this option, depending on race: Wizard 6/Human or Elf Paragon 3/Abjurant Champion 5/Dragonslayer 1/Eldritch Knight 5 If you decide to be an elf, you have two feats less to work with, but a better overall Reflex save. On the note of feat selection (I didn't consider the extra feats you get with Pathfinder rules), if you take Arcane Thesis (wraithstrike), you can Persist it in a seventh level slot and Extend it in a second. Since you plotted the character out to sixteenth level, that's either where you're starting or where you're ending. Either way, touch attacks with Power Attack is going to be good damage output, especially if you use a two-handed weapon. Blasting spells with a gish are typically a bad idea in general, but that's my opinion.
#7 rydi123 Jun 29, 2010 14:00:57	Either way, touch attacks with Power Attack is going to be good damage output, especially if you use a two-handed weapon. Blasting spells with a gish are typically a bad idea in general, but that's my opinion. Of note, Pathfinder PA... I like it honestly, but some of the alterations change things up a bit.  Like the line at the end that says that it is incompatible with touch attacks.  Same for the ranged version they added.  Big bummer there.
#8 spiral_rider_h Jun 29, 2010 14:44:16	Of note, Pathfinder PA... I like it honestly, but some of the alterations change things up a bit.  Like the line at the end that says that it is incompatible with touch attacks.  Same for the ranged version they added.  Big bummer there. What? Boooo to that. Shame. But makes sense mechanically.
#9 rydi123 Jun 29, 2010 14:50:25	Yeah, made the thrower build I was working on even more convoluted, since the 5th lvl M.Thrower trick becomes MUCH less useful with that wording. And it messes with a lot of Gish builds, with all the touch attacking via spells.
#10 Endarire Jul 04, 2010 16:17:04	I'm unsure what source material's allowed, but I may enjoy playing a gish like the Trancer Hood (Build #8).