Starting Level: 5th
Starting Abilities: 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8
Starting Gold: 7500gp
Books: Core + anything reasonable
Notes: No "monster" races, No evil
Any good builds for full Psion manifesting coupled with some minor Druid or Cleric action? I love Carnivore's basic Egoist Build but was looking to add in some divine casting of some sort, preferably without loosing any manifestor levels.
Thanks,
Necro
There's the psychic theurge, but even with early entry shenanigans, you still lose a level of manifesting.
Archivist (Heroes of Horror) would be a better source of divine casting, since it has int synergy. Ur priest (Complete Divine) would also be good, due to the compressed progression.
Human
Ardent 2/ Cloistered Cleric 1/ Psychic Theurge 2
Domains:
Knowledge
Planning
Time
Attributes: (18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8)
8 Str
10 Dex
14 Con
16 Int
18 Wis
12 Cha
Progression:
Cloistered Cleric 1 ........... Versatile Spellcaster(Cleric), Heighten Spell(human Bonus), Knowledge Devotion(give up Knowledge Domain), Extend Spell(Domain Bonus), Improved initiative(Domain Bonus)
Ardent 1
Ardent 2 .......................... Practiced Manifester(Ardent)
Psychic Theurge 1
Psychic Theurge 2
BAB +3
Base Saves: F =+2, R= +0, W= +8
Psionics:
5th lvl Manifester, 3rd lvl powers
Divine Casting:
3rd lvl Casting, can cast 3rd lvl Spells(Heightened Cure or Inflict)
use Substitute powers Alternative Class Features .... found here:
www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20...
Welcome back necrosnoop110 .... good to see you ... try this:
Human
Ardent 2/ Cloistered Cleric 1/ Psychic Theurge 2
Domains:
Knowledge
Planning
Time
Attributes: (18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8)
8 Str
10 Dex
14 Con
16 Int
18 Wis
12 Cha
Progression:
Cloistered Cleric 1 ........... Versatile Spellcaster(Cleric), Heighten Spell(human Bonus), Knowledge Devotion(give up Knowledge Domain), Extend Spell(Domain Bonus), Improved initiative(Domain Bonus)
Ardent 1
Ardent 2 .......................... Practiced Manifester(Ardent)
Psychic Theurge 1
Psychic Theurge 2
BAB +3
Base Saves: F =+2, R= +0, W= +8
Psionics:
5th lvl Manifester, 3rd lvl powers
Divine Casting:
3rd lvl Casting, can cast 3rd lvl Spells(Heightened Cure or Inflict)
use Substitute powers Alternative Class Features .... found here:
www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20...
1) Good to see you Carni I thought you bailed alltogether? Good to see you back.
2) Love the build.
3) Would it work with Psion 2/ Cloistered Cleric 1/ Psychic Theurge 2
4) I don't get the Substitute powers thingy.
5) Any recommended mantles?
6) DM wants me to justify the Ardents strong anti-religous stance with the Cloistered Cleric combo, any suggestions?
Cheers,
Necro
And no, it won't work with Psion. The point of the ardent is that he actually gains higher level powers from boosting his manifester level (like with Practiced Manifester).
There's nothing anti-DnD-religious in their fluff. There may be some anti-stupidity in them, but not worshipping a deity is really stupid in some settings.
Substitute Powers is pick-your-favorite-powers substitution, if left to the player completely.
2) "Ardents, as a rule, avoid religion." Complete Psionic, Pg 8, PLAYING AN ARDENT, Religion
Cheers,
Necro
You could worship one of the psionic gods. I remember one from the Mind's Eye (Saridor, IIRC). I can't see how that wouldn't fit, fluffwise...
Also... you don't have to even be part of a religion to be a cleric (unless you're in the FR). You can worship an "ideal"... which sounds nearly identical to a "philosophy" to me.
Wow... I'm amazed that a DM would give you a hard time about that...
Also... you don't have to even be part of a religion to be a cleric (unless you're in the FR). You can worship an "ideal"... which sounds nearly identical to a "philosophy" to me.
1) Not so much a "justify or you can't use this character build" more like "please everyone have a strong rational being your character and all actions should be justified roleplaying wise." And as having never read the Ardent before I just saw a possible roleplaying conflict with that general anti-relion deal.
2) Forgot about how Clerics can worship "ideals" that seems the best fit.
Thanks,
Necro
Ardent 2/ Cloistered Cleric 1/ Psychic Theurge 2
the Order is:
Cloistered Cleric 1
Ardent 1
Ardent 2
Psychic theurge 1
Psychic Theurge 2
this way there is no Conflict ..... especially if your Ideal and Philosophy match... just explore both sides of the same coin