Now, a Ninja/Druid is looking to be an all around winner but I was wondering if there is another combo I missed? We are using PHB, UA, the Complete series and no psionics. Races are limited to Human and elves (no half-elves). VOP is out of the question at the start of the game as BED/BVD are to be added in later. Most other books might be allowed upon DM approval. (So if its not on the listed books, I would need a page # for the DM to look it up)
You won't have to sneak your away into building through shadows but through the grand ol' timings of folk singin'!
edit: nm! need to learn how to read...
Tshern, he has to take ninja straight through.
What is wrong with me? For the last three or so weeks I have utterly failed to read/spot details like that. In that case Ninja will do just fine, but concentrating on the Druid side of the build is very, very smart.
Venomfire, a spell from Serpent Kingdoms. Look it up... Ask your self: "Should I combine the two?"
Venomfire is awesome and incredibly powerful. If you use it, he may use it back :P
As for Venomfire, I do not have that book, so I have no idea what it does.
So far we have one working towards an Invisible Blade, a Wizard, a Cleric and the other is aiming for a Shadow Dancer (and doing the trap work).
A few thoughts.
Stats. 80 points to distribute amongst stats. The DM has an Elf race in his world thats +2 DX/CON -2 Int/Cha. +2 Listen, Spot, and Survival. so I was going with that one. 10/16/14/14/18/8
Max out K:nature, Concentration, Spellcraft, Survival, Spot, Listen, Hide and Move Silent.
The hard part I am finding is what path to go for feats. I have already done a summoner type druid before so I was hoping to steer clear of that and go for something different.
Flaws? Other than maybe Shaky/Vulnerable, I do not see any that might fit a ninja. So I am looking at 2-4 feats to play with.
Lower Dex and raise Con.
I was debating that, but since I have two more levels to go before wild shape, wouldn't the higher dex be better at this stage?
I was debating that, but since I have two more levels to go before wild shape, wouldn't the higher dex be better at this stage?
That is the same logic that makes kids pee in their pants when cold... It might be nice when you do it, and it might even warm you for a while, but later you will regret it.... I promise you.
Better BAB, plus Int to damage, plus being even more acrobatic than the regular ninja.
If you alternate your SA classes, you can get a SA dice every level.
Otherwise, I would always suggest heading the Unseen Seer route and SA'ing touch spells(particularly the Orb spells from CArcane or Spell Compendium). Make sure to grab the reserve feat to allow you to touch-attack all day. Also pick up Invisibility/Blink when you get a chance.
Have you ever seen a Dragon go invisible and and then sudden strike with a full attack? It's scary. The only thing scarier is when the BBEG Frost Giant Totem Rager takes his full attack and doesn't hit once.
Anyway, here's some possible classes to go with CA Ninja 20.
Master Thrower is well worth looking at.
Unarmed Varient Swordsage would be really good for keeping that ninja theme.
Ranger is kinda fun, giving you full BAB along with outdoorsy abilities. Shadowdancer could be amusing too.
JaronK
Thank for the help.
Monk 6/Shou Disciple 5 (not necessarily in that order)
Feats: Ascetic Stalker, Martial Stalker
You now have unarmed strikes dealing 2d10 damage (4d8 with Improved Natural Attack) that overcome damage as lawful, adamanite weapons as well as Crushing Strike and Weapon Supremacy (might require a couple bonus feats). Shou Disciple is in Unapproachable East.
Lets look at the whole build, although you'll likely only get bits and pieces in.
Human Ninja 20//Monk 4/Swordsage 1/Shou Disciple 1/Monk +2/Shou +4/Fighter 4...
1 Monk) Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist
1 Human) Dodge
1) -open-
2 Monk) Combat Reflexes
3) -open-
5 Swordsage) Weapon Focus (Shadow Hand)
6) Martial Stalker
8 Monk) Ascetic Stalker
9 Shou) Weapon Specialization (Unarmed Strike)
9) Melee Weapon Mastery (Bludgeoning)
11 Shou) Mobility
12) Improved Natural Attack (Unarmed Strike)
13 Fighter) Greater Weapon Focus (Unarmed Strike)
14 Fighter) Greater Weapon Specialization (Unarmed Strike)
15) Robilar's Gambit
16 Fighter) Crushing Strike
18) Weapon Supremacy (Unarmed Strike)
4 levels left on the other side, and I'd like to get a couple more bonus feats so I can fit in Elusive Target and Snap Kick, not to mention Shadow Blade and Gloom Razor, but I have a couple open feats early on if I need to push up the Swordsage level.
Anyway, assuming that's doable you'd wind up with an attack routine looking like this:
BAB +18: Unarmed Attacks at (assuming hits, because your actual attack mod will be pretty awesome) +20/+21/+22/+23/+24/+20/+16/+12, each of which will deal 4d8+6+10d6 Sneak Attack (almost always applicable thanks to Island of Blades). That would be an average of 59 damage per hit, 472 damage per full attack, but not extremely practical, just something kinda neat you can do with Ninja in Gestalt. Take from it what you can.
The hard part will be the feats. I would like to go with Track since I envision him as using the Ninja abilities to hunt down those that defile the forest. DM has no problem with flaws so thats two more feats to play with.
Extend spell/Rapid Spell look good to allow more options later on. Any others?
You could go the dodge/mobility/spring attack route, and stick to high dex cat forms. Sprint in 500 feet as a cheeta and spring attack. Bet they didnt expect that.
But just give summoning another look, its not that bad to be able to summon flanking partners as a sneak attacking monster.