I'm in the process of building a grappler for LG. Im planning my character out and have done so to 9th level.
Wood Elf
Str 17
Dex 16
Con 10
Int 8
Wis 16
Cha 8
Levels and feats i have chosen are:
1 - Monk, clever wrestling, Stunning Fist (Monk), Improved Unarmed Strike (Monk)
2 - Monk, Combat Reflexes (Monk)
3 - Fighter, Close Quarters Fighting, Earths Embrace
4 - Monk, (+1 Str)
5 - Monk,
6 - Barbarian, Weapon Focus - Grapple
7 - Reaping Mauler, Improved Grapple (Reaping Mauler), Mobility (Reaping Mauler)
8 - Reaping Mauler (+1 Dex)
9 - Reaping Mauler, ??New Feat??
Which gives a +17 Grapple check.. +19 when raging.
Are there ways to make this better, with better feats? Choices etc? Thanks!!
How are you pulling that off?
Monk & Barbarian in the same build always give me pause.
How are you pulling that off?
He brings up a firm point, look into the Ordered Chaos feat from one of the Fiendish Codex books.
Basically the story of my character shows he goes a little crazy due to his history. He finds out that his father is outcast from his village, his mother and sister taken captive and eventually killed by Orcs - hence the Barbarian, then the Reaping Mauler levels showing him losing his mind and focus
Hereis a guide to help you out.
I am looking at the Reaping Mauler as it fits the mental guy background for my character.. He just goes nuts and grabs things!!
Wood Elf is an interesting choice for a grappler, yet not optimized. Even a human is a better choice purely for the feat.
Posting on the CO board, you will get plenty of responses claiming Reaping Mauler is a bad choice. I would suggest you lay out what parts of your build are for role-playing reasons and what parts of your build you'd like the CO board to optimize.
Even a one level dip into Psychic Warrior just to grab Grip of Iron will help you. The feat Practiced Manifester will extend the length of that +4 bonus to your grapple check, and give you many more Power Points.
Feats that increase your damage dice always help: Improved Natural Attack, Superior Unarmed Strike. If you want to be able to Stun while grappling, take this cool feat from Dragon Mag... Fear No Binds -- it allows you to ignore the -4 penalty when attacking during a grapple. Weakening Touch is a good Stunning Fist variant feat that can help a grappler.
As already stated, the best way to grapple is to increase your size. You will be gimped by Reaping Mauler in that it requires you to stay medium. If you want to scratch that class, the flood gates will open with possibilities for your grappler build. Remember, you don't have to be a Reaping Mauler just because the guy is a little crazy. Fluff can fit into most any class. My suggestion: Chaos Monk 2 / Psychic Warrior X.
Not sure if LG allows it, but the Bear Totem Barbarian from Unearthed Arcana is quite nice in my opinion, and it then allows fairly easy access into Fist of the Forest, or Bear Warrior, and then Warshaper...
Psionic fist lets you benefit nicely from augmented expansion (huge size) and grip of iron is awesome as well (even though I chose the magic item which grants a +8 to grapple - gloves of titan's grip IIRC?).
Get a monk's belt and improved natural attack (unarmed strike) and you'll do 4d8 base damage at 17th level. Don't take reaping mauler unless you really want to - in my case it was a prerequisite that you had to have a special signature move. It could be a special maneuver or a fighting technique of a PrC - therefore I took Reaping Mauler because grappling itself wasn't special enough.
6 - Barbarian, Weapon Focus - Grapple
Unless I'm missing something, you can't take Weapon Focus(Grapple), as it's not a weapon. You can take it with the unarmed strike, but that still doesn't help you with grappling.
Unless I'm missing something, you can't take Weapon Focus(Grapple), as it's not a weapon. You can take it with the unarmed strike, but that still doesn't help you with grappling.
Per the FAQ, you can take Weapon Focus to boost your grapple check. Although, it's not really worth it. +1 is a drop in the bucket -- might as well spend that feat on something that will net more effectiveness.
Weapon Focus - Unarmed Strike will help you land your touch attack to start a grapple. It is better than choosing Weapon Focus - Grapple; but still, there are better feats out there for a grappler (unless Weapon Focus is a prereq for something).
Con 10 for a melee character is only one step above a suicide note.
Good catch. Also... 16 Dex, for a grappler? No need, really. You'll lose your Dex to AC against others when in a grapple, so you might as well dump it a little.
Assuming you rolled a 14 for Dex and a 12 for Con and a 16 for Wis... rearrange accordingly:
Str = 15 (+2) = 17
Dex = 12 (+2) = 14
Con = 16 (-2) = 14
Int = 10 (-2) = 8
Wis = 14
Cha = 8
If you want to have some skill ranks, try this...
Str = 15 (+2) = 17
Dex = 10 (+2) = 12
Con = 16 (-2) = 14
Int = 14 (-2) = 12
Wis = 12
Cha = 8
If you do decide to go Psionic, you'll want that 16 in Wis...
Str = 14 (+2) = 16
Dex = 10 (+2) = 12
Con = 15 (-2) = 13
Int = 12 (-2) = 10
Wis = 16
Cha = 8
(Wood Elf is tough to work with for this build! The Dex bonus is unnecessary and the Con penalty is a big gimp. Sure you don't want to play a half-orc? Half-giant? Orc? Human? Goliath?)
Per the FAQ, you can take Weapon Focus to boost your grapple check. Although, it's not really worth it. +1 is a drop in the bucket -- might as well spend that feat on something that will net more effectiveness.
Huh. I guess you learn something new every day. I agree that it's not that potent.
Bear totem Barbarian variant
BEAR TOTEM CLASS FEATURES
A barbarian dedicated to the bear totem does not gain the standard fast movement, uncanny dodge, trap sense, and improved uncanny dodge barbarian class features, and instead gains the following abilities.
A 1st-level bear-totem barbarian gains Toughness as a bonus feat.
At 2nd level, a bear-totem barbarian gains Improved Grapple as a bonus feat, even if he doesn't meet the normal prerequisites.
A 3rd-level bear-totem barbarian gains Great Fortitude as a bonus feat.
Beginning at 5th level, a bear-totem barbarian gains a +4 bonus on grapple checks when raging.
A barbarian dedicated to the bear totem does not gain the standard fast movement, uncanny dodge, trap sense, and improved uncanny dodge barbarian class features, and instead gains the following abilities.
A 1st-level bear-totem barbarian gains Toughness as a bonus feat.
At 2nd level, a bear-totem barbarian gains Improved Grapple as a bonus feat, even if he doesn't meet the normal prerequisites.
A 3rd-level bear-totem barbarian gains Great Fortitude as a bonus feat.
Beginning at 5th level, a bear-totem barbarian gains a +4 bonus on grapple checks when raging.
With Earth's Embrace, that character can be a force to be reckoned with, but it really needs the epic vestige to be totally worth it.
On a less related note: Druid, Wildshape into a snake, Win.
Druid
You are aware that a druid can destroy any of these builds easily, right?
We are talking about level 9, so a Human druid 9 with improved unarmed strike and improved grapple (and natural spell) as feats and a monk's belt
Str = 8
Dex = 14
Con = 15+1 (level)
Int = 12
Wis = 16+1(level)
Cha = 10
wildshaped as a brown bear (STR 27=+8) will have a grapple check of
6 (BAB)+ 8 (STR)+ 4 (size) + 4(improved grapple)=+22
and will inflict 2d6+8 in grapple
...it can also use the bear's improved grab (so you don't waste a round getting into grapple with a touch attack) and will also have much better AC than the below build:
AC=10+4 (monk's belt)+1 (DEX, bear)+5 (natural, bear) -1 (size)=19
and I have still 2 feats open and I bought just 1 magic item (the belt)
I found it to be a strong overall build. But take notice that he has a alignment change at level 1 to 2 from lawful neutral to true neutral(or something close) due to the monk and barb alignment issue... Gotta check it with your DM first. You can always put the ftr levels between the monk and barb level to make the alignment change go over more levels...
Barbarian 1
Barbarian 2
Barbarian 3
Barbarian 4
Fist of the Forest 1
Fist of the Forest 2
Fist of the Forest 3
Reaping Mauler 1
Flaw: Improved Unarmed Strike
1: Power Attack
3: Great Fortitude (requirement for Fist of the Forest)
6: Clever Wrestling
Reaping Mauler Bonus: Improved Grapple, Mobility
Str: 18+2(levels)+2(racial)
Dex: 8-2(racial)
Con: 18+2(racial)
Int: 8
Wis: 8
Cha: 8
Using the Bear-Totem alternate class feature from complete champion is preferred, but you'd have to ask your DM about whether or not you could use the Improved Grab ability to initiate a grapple against medium sized creatures, as it's not RAW.
This, in total, will give you a grapple modifier of:
8(BAB)+6(Strength)+4(Size)+4(Improved Grapple) = +22, assuming no outward influences, such as buffs or items, and you can start a grapple after dealing damage with a melee attack against creatures medium sized or smaller.
Pros: Solid grapple score, can wield large-sized weapons for when you're not grappling (3d6+str x 1.5 is fairly solid without being your primary focus), 40ft movement speed, can grapple after dealing melee damage, Con to AC.
Cons: No armor, assuming the AC bonus of Fist of the Forest is interpreted as a direct variant of the Monk AC bonus class feature, low mental scores.
Note: This build is mostly for fun. I've got a similarly built NPC in my campaign as a recurring villain's henchman, and he's been a blast to play.
Edit: Also, if you want to avoid the Flaws, you could replace 1-2 levels of Barbarian with Fighter to pickup Power Attack or Improved Unarmed Strike.
Well, if you can take a race with LA, I've always been fond of the idea of a Half-Giant Barbarian grappler.
If you're not going to play a PsyWar, there is absolutely no reason to take Half-Giant over Goliath. Even if you are playing a PsyWar, I would only take Half-Giant if I'm starting at level 1 or 2.
If you're not going to play a PsyWar, there is absolutely no reason to take Half-Giant over Goliath. Even if you are playing a PsyWar, I would only take Half-Giant if I'm starting at level 1 or 2.
I'm aware of that, I just don't happen to have a copy of Races of Stone (I believe thats where Goliaths from, I could be wrong) so I often forget it. Either way, that adds another +2 strength, so another +1 on the grapple check. Sorry about forgetting that one.
Good catch. Also... 16 Dex, for a grappler? No need, really. You'll lose your Dex to AC against others when in a grapple, so you might as well dump it a little.
Assuming you rolled a 14 for Dex and a 12 for Con and a 16 for Wis... rearrange accordingly:
Str = 15 (+2) = 17
Dex = 12 (+2) = 14
Con = 16 (-2) = 14
Int = 10 (-2) = 8
Wis = 14
Cha = 8
If you want to have some skill ranks, try this...
Str = 15 (+2) = 17
Dex = 10 (+2) = 12
Con = 16 (-2) = 14
Int = 14 (-2) = 12
Wis = 12
Cha = 8
If you do decide to go Psionic, you'll want that 16 in Wis...
Str = 14 (+2) = 16
Dex = 10 (+2) = 12
Con = 15 (-2) = 13
Int = 12 (-2) = 10
Wis = 16
Cha = 8
(Wood Elf is tough to work with for this build! The Dex bonus is unnecessary and the Con penalty is a big gimp. Sure you don't want to play a half-orc? Half-giant? Orc? Human? Goliath?)
this is a Living Greyhawk Character therefore Psionics are out of the window
Wood Elf is for the role-playing aspect. He's not a typical Elf - i made him 6'8'' and high weight, he uses a Maul instead of swords to keep with his angry, grind things into the ground side. I really wanted to use a Maenad but i don't believe they are allowed in LG either!!
Reason for dex was for a better unarmoured AC (Monk) and to take Expert Grappler, from quintessential fighter, where you can add your dex bonus aswell as str to your grapple check - still to check if this is allowable in LG??
From what i've read Reaping Mauler isn't the greatest - 3 rounds to sleep or kill, he's more of an escaper of grappling than a bare hands killer.. Perhaps Justicar would be a better prestige class? To go large/huge and for the Hog-Tie feature? Then there is the option of a coup de grace..
EDIT: what is this "vestige (Zagan)"? What book is this from? Thanks for all your input guys!!
Reason for dex is to take Expert Grappler, from quintessential fighter, where you can add your dex bonus aswell as str to your grapple check
No worries. Just be sure to let the CO board know of any 3rd party materials involved. Otherwise, we optimize with only Wizards' published material in mind. Better still, list all the sources you're allowed to use.
Futher more - this is a Living Greyhawk Character therefore Psionics are out of the window
Bummer.
Go strong in grappling and locking garrotes and you can move around putting locking garrotes on people and then once they are secure moving to the next victim.
Well, since nobody did it before me, I am here to give you guys the official CO answer to 99% of the questions here.
Druid
You are aware that a druid can destroy any of these builds easily, right?
We are talking about level 9, so a Human druid 9 with improved unarmed strike and improved grapple (and natural spell) as feats and a monk's belt
Str = 8
Dex = 14
Con = 15+1 (level)
Int = 12
Wis = 16+1(level)
Cha = 10
wildshaped as a brown bear (STR 27=+8) will have a grapple check of
6 (BAB)+ 8 (STR)+ 4 (size) + 4(improved grapple)=+22
and will inflict 2d6+8 in grapple
...it can also use the bear's improved grab (so you don't waste a round getting into grapple with a touch attack) and will also have much better AC than the below build:
AC=10+4 (monk's belt)+1 (DEX, bear)+5 (natural, bear) -1 (size)=19
and I have still 2 feats open and I bought just 1 magic item (the belt)
Not entirely true..
Tweaking my stats slightly (not needing dex to be high), the build i had would give me Str 20, Dex 12, Con, 12, Int 8, Wis 16, Cha 8..
Grapple of BAB+8, Str +5, Adept Wrestling +1, Improved Grapple +4, Weapon Focus(grapple) +1
Wrestling your Druid while raged would give me a grapple check of +23 (clever wrestling +2, Rage +2) against your large Bear, and a dragons chain a further +2 (and 1d8+x1 1/2 Str constrict damage..) Thus +25 against your large druid/bear.
Flurry of blows gives me 3 attacks per round. Now my attacks are grapple checks - not subject to the -2 to hit. I can use these to pin you and deal damage, when you are pinned you take damage from my Earths Embrace Feat, and if you are pinned for one full round my sleeper hold makes you unconscious for 1-3 rounds.
Now my last feat i thought could be Ability Focus (Sleeper hold) and this would mean each round you are pinned you have a fort save DC 18 to be unconscious (each round because i maintain the hold/pin) and you take 1d12+7 damage from Earths embrace PLUS 1d8+10 constrict damage from the chain each time i grapple you to maintain the pin.
You are unconscious (does this mean I win the grapple checks by default?) and taking damage - with no magic items..
Unless I am wrong?
I would hella recommend looking into Locking Garrotes...
Go strong in grappling and locking garrotes and you can move around putting locking garrotes on people and then once they are secure moving to the next victim.
Good idea!! Will look into these.. Thank you!!
I tweaked the build slightly to ignore the dex eg Quintessential Fighter Feat - this would be great but i don't know if i'd be allowed it.
One question - Why does becoming large cancel out Reaping Mauler (RM)?
I would have thought you dont forget how to wrestle even if you become large? You may not be able to apply clever wrestling (which means being medium or smaller) which you need to become an RM, but you wouldn't forget how to choke some-one.. I would agree it means you couldn't use clever wrestling but losing all the class abilities? Theres more to the RM than clever wrestling.
Does this mean if your ability scores are drained you cant use feats associated with them?
Btw Thanks for your help guys!
Thanks Orenmir..
Does this mean if your ability scores are drained you cant use feats associated with them?
Yes, yes it does. If you get hit with a ray of enfeeblement, you might be unable to use power attack.
Some might argue against this logic; but, I do believe there is a general consensus on these boards that said logic is RAW (or at least RAI).
Even a one level dip into Psychic Warrior just to grab Grip of Iron will help you. The feat Practiced Manifester will extend the length of that +4 bonus to your grapple check, and give you many more Power Points.
More Warmind, less Psychic Warrior. Also, Practiced manifester doesn't grant power points, only effective manifester level.
More Warmind, less Psychic Warrior.
I would argue that while Warmind is a great PrC for a meleer that wields a weapon, it is not an optimized choice for a grappler.
The ability, AC, and DR bonuses are limited and can easily be replaced by powers the PsyWar can manifest. The pinnacle features of the PrC (Sweeping Strike and Chain of Overwhelming Forced) are attacks -- something that a grappler doesn't do.
Also, Practiced manifester doesn't grant power points, only effective manifester level.
This is, and has been, debated in many threads. In the end, check with your DM.
I would argue that while Warmind is a great PrC for a meleer that wields a weapon, it is not an optimized choice for a grappler.
The ability, AC, and DR bonuses are limited and can easily be replaced by powers the PsyWar can manifest. The pinnacle features of the PrC (Sweeping Strike and Chain of Overwhelming Forced) are attacks -- something that a grappler doesn't do.
Tshern is correct.... 10 levels of Warmind are better than 10 levels of PW... on several levels.... 2 levels of PW are all most would ever need or want(with very Few exceptions)
notice the comparison:
Psychic Warrior 10......BAB +7...saves +7 +3 +3 .... 27 PP / 10 powers known (PW list) 4th lvl
Warmind 10 ..............BAB +10...saves +7 +7 +3 ... 70 PP / 6 powers known (PW list) 5th lvl
Warmind also adds Far better Class abilities for Free
:D
[b]notice the comparison:
Psychic Warrior 10......BAB +7...saves +7 +3 +3 .... 27 PP / 10 powers known (PW list) 4th lvl
Warmind 10 ..............BAB +10...saves +7 +7 +3 ... 70 PP / 6 powers known (PW list) 5th lvl
Warmind also adds Far better Class abilities for Free
You make a very convincing point. But, you left some facts out...
The tasty class abilities for the War Mind are unusable to an optimized grappler, since he never attacks.
PsyWar gets 4 bonus feats in 10 levels.
The earliest a grappler can get into War Mind is level 6. You can start out as a PsyWar (or take one level of Monk first). If you want to compare the classes fairly and chronologically, you need to add five levels of PsyWar. When your War Mind level is one, the PsyWar already has 5 or 6 levels under his belt. War Mind will never be able to keep up because the manifester levels won't ever stack.
:headexplo :hoppingma 
if you want to run the math... compare a PW build of your choice to this:
Kalashtar or Elan
Ranger 1/ Monk 2/ Fighter 2/ Warmind 10
it will beat your PW 15 build in these areas:
BAB
Saves
PP
Class abilities
Skills
you will have a Hard time even coming close in a single area ... much less in all areas... if you dont believe me... do the math...also with Tashalatora(Warmind)... it functions as a 12th lvl Monk(AC, Unarmed Damage,Flurry of Blows)
:D
Saves - PsyWar loses
Skills - off my radar, really
PP - I'll have to do the math, but I bet they're close.
Class Abilities - In general, yes, Warmind's are better than the 4 feats you'll get with PsyWar. But, we're talking about a grappler build -- Sweeping Strike and Chain of Overwhelming Force are useless. IMO, that tips the scale in this category to the PsyWar.
That still leaves Powers Known, Manifester Level, and Maximum Power Level Known. I'm pretty sure PsyWar wins all of these, but I'll recheck the math.
That sucks about losing your post. It's happened to me so many times in the past that I've started to "ctrl-a, ctrl-c" a lot as I type.
Some DMs might allow it. But, RAW, if you lose the prereq for Clever Wrestling (by becoming Large), you lose the ability to use the feat. That feat is a prereq for Reaping Mauler -- if you lose the ability of the feat, you lose the abilities of the PrC.
Some might argue against this logic; but, I do believe there is a general consensus on these boards that said logic is RAW (or at least RAI).
I think the argument wouldn't surround the logic but more: is this what the creators of the class were thinking when they made the prereq of the class? Seems a little silly to make a class designed to be a "knock you out and choke you to death" then take away the biggest advantage for them.
Sounds like it would be GREAT to be able to use psionics.. Grrr..
Have been thinking - could you take the anti-giant feats as a gnome and be a good grappler against larger creatures?
You could be small, getting bonuses against medium and larger creatures.. A garrotte would allow you to grapple Large/etc creatures yet making you harder to hit? Any experience with this here?
Warmind 10 = 70+ Bonus(Wisdom based)
PW 15 = 67 + bonus(Wisdom based)
Base PP = PsyWar loses ..... however, they gain back because they have 5 more levels.... exa:
Assume Wis 20 for Each:
Warmind gains 25 bonus PP
PsyWar gains 37 bonus PP
totals=
Warmind 70 +25 = 95 PP
PsyWar 67 + 37 = 104 PP...wins by only 9 PP
as for Class abilities..... for a Grappler build:
important things for Grappling:
Base attack bonus + Strength modifier + special size modifier
BAB = Warmind Wins
Strength Modifier = Warmind Class Ability(Chain of personal superiority)+4 Insight to Strength and Con..... stacks with Enhancement bonuses, give Warmind the Win
ignore Sweeping Strike and sucktastic "Chain of Overwhelming Force"... they are Irrelavant..... the rest of the Class Abilities that Warmind AND the rest of the Classes Get boost its ability to Grapple better And Survive Combat in general..all forms of Combat, since there are times that you dont want to grapple something and you better be able to have other Combat options
as for Skills ............ this is one area that most dont focus enough attention on... they are so useful.
PW 15 has 36 Skill points + bonus
Ranger 1/ Monk 2/ Fighter 2/ Warmind 10 has 56 skill points to Spend
but skill points is only 1/2 the story... what skills are available:
PW 15 class skill list:
Autohypnosis
Climb
Concentration
Craft
Jump
Knowledge (psionics)
Profession
Ride
Search
Swim
Ranger 1/ Monk 2/ Fighter 2/ Warmind 10 class skill list:
Autohypnosis
Balance
Climb
Concentration
Craft
Diplomacy
Escape Artist
Handle Animal
Heal
Hide
Intimidate
Jump
Knowledge (arcana /religion /history /dungeoneering /geography /nature /psionics)
Listen
Move Silently
Perform
Profession
Psicraft
Ride
Search
Sense Motive
Spot
Survival
Swim
Tumble
Use Rope
its easy to see who wins here also
bottom line Warmind multiclass beats PW easily.... the Psionic Powers are also Irrelavant also...since both gain powers from the same list... and for grapplers, the only PW powers you need are(at this level):
1st lvl: Grip of Iron, Precognition, Offensive
2nd lvl: Strength of My Enemy
3rd lvl: Empathic Feedback
4th lvl: Freedom of Movement, Psionic
5th lvl: Oak Body
by some amazing Coincidence...thats exactly what the Warmind character would take... he can do everything the PW can, but better
:D
I think the argument wouldn't surround the logic but more: is this what the creators of the class were thinking when they made the prereq of the class? Seems a little silly to make a class designed to be a "knock you out and choke you to death" then take away the biggest advantage for them.
thats WoTC:rolleye2: .... they must have had the same Administrators who are responsible for the way these Forums Run, Design the Reaping Mauler PrC
Have been thinking - could you take the anti-giant feats as a gnome and be a good grappler against larger creatures?
You could be small, getting bonuses against medium and larger creatures.. A garrotte would allow you to grapple Large/etc creatures yet making you harder to hit? Any experience with this here?
i dont know where the Garrote is from ... what book?
as for feats...several of these might help:
Clever Wrestling[General] (CWar p97)(Dcn p103)(Storm p92)req:Small or Medium size,Improved Unarmed Strike
When grappling with an opponent greater than Medium size, you gain a bonus when attempting to escape a Grapple or Pin. The size of the bonus depends on the opponent’s size:Large – +2 Huge – +4 Gargantuan – +6 Colossal – +8
Confound the Big Folk[Tactical](RotW p153)req:Small size (or smaller),
Underfoot Combat,Tumble: 10 ranks
You may use the following 3 tactical maneuvers:[indent]
Knee Striker – When you occupy a square with a creature at least two size categories larger than you, the creature is considered Flat-Footed against you and you receive a +4 bonus on rolls to confirm critical hits.
Underfoot Defense – When you occupy a square with a creature at least two size categories larger than you, and you Fight Defensively, use Total Defense, or use Combat Expertise, any melee or ranged attack on you has a 50% chance of striking the creature who shares the square with you (that creature does not have a 50% chance of striking itself).
Unsteady Footing – When you occupy a square with a creature at least two size categories larger than you, you may initiate a Trip attack on the creature you share the square with and not provoke an Attack of
Opportunity. You can add your choice of Strength or Dexterity modifier to you check (your opponent gets the better of its Strength or Dexterity as usual). Your opponent does not get to add his/her size bonus to its roll. If the Trip attempt fails, your opponent does not get to try to trip you.[/indent]
Cunning Sidestep[General](Dcn p103)req:Small or Medium size,Improved Unarmed Strike,Clever Wrestling
When your opponent is larger than Medium size, you gain a bonus on any opposed check you make to avoid being Bull Rushed, Tripped, Knocked Down, or Pushed. The bonus depends on the opponent’s size: Large – +2 Huge – +4 Gargantuan – +6 Colossal – +8
This feat is effective against the Large and in Charge feat.
The bonus from this feat does not stack with Clever Wrestling.
Giantbane[Tactical, Fighter](CWar p111)req:Medium-size or smaller,
Base Attack Bonus +6,Tumble: 5 ranks
You may use the following 3 tactical maneuvers:[indent]
Duck Underneath – If you take a Total Defense action against a foe who is at least two size categories larger than you, you gain an additional +4 bonus on your AC. If your foe misses on his/her attack, you may make a Tumble check vs. DC 15 to move to the opposite side of your foe.
Death from Below – If you successfully performed a Duck Underneath maneuver the round before, you can make an immediate single attack on the foe you ducked under. Your foe is Flat-Footed & you gain a +4 bonus on your attack.
Climb Aboard – If you are adjacent to a foe at least two size categories larger than you, you may make a Climb check vs. DC 10 to climb onto your foe. As long as you are on your foe, he/she has a –4 penalty on
attack rolls to hit you & you are carried with him/her. Your foe may get you off with a Grapple check opposed by your Climb check.[/indent]
Overhead Thrust[General](Dcn p106)req:Base Attack Bonus +6,
Close-Quarters Fighting, Power Attack
You can use a Slashing or Piercing weapon to make an Attack of Opportunity against a foe using an attack designed to batter you from above (Overrun, Trample, Power Dive, Dragon Crush). You cannot use this feat if you are flat-footed or already grappled. You gain a special attack modifier based on your opponent’s size:Medium or smaller (+0), Large (+4), Huge (+8), Gargantuan (+12), Colossal (+16)
If your attack succeeds, you do triple damage.
Underfoot Combat[General](RotW p152)req:Small size (or smaller),
Tumble: 10 ranks
You can move into or through a square occupied by a creature at least two size categories larger than you.You do not provoke Attacks of Opportunity for doing so.When you are in a square occupied by a creature at least two size categories larger than you, you gain the benefit of Soft Cover (+4 bonus to AC) again all attacks (including those of the creature whose space you
occupy).
:D
thats WoTC:rolleye2: .... they must have had the same Administrators who are responsible for the way these Forums Run, Design the Reaping Mauler PrC
i dont know where the Garrote is from ... what book?
as for feats...several of these might help:
:D
Haha awesome! They dont really bump up grappling but could be fun to confound larger creatures
Garrottes are in Song and Silence - i would only use these to grapple creatures who are more than two sizes bigger than my character
Question.. What class gives sneak attack while giving max BAB??
It's not full BAB, but swashbuckler + rogue + daring outlaw. 19BAB.
I was more thinking along the lines of for levels after lvl 9.. Sneak attack against pinned characters - eg pin character, then do an attack against the pinned character - because they are pinned they should qualify for sneak damage..
I figured something like Avenging Executioner would be good for levels after 9?? But doesnt have the best BAB
@ Carnivore: I'll save continuing the PsyWar vs. War Mind debate for another thread. You make some good arguments, and might have me beat! I haven't had the time to do the math yet. I'll come for you if I feel I have a leg to stand on.
Question.. What class gives sneak attack while giving max BAB??
a very nice PrC: Nightsong Enforcer(thief trained to work in a team)(CAdv p60)
:D
@ Carnivore: I'll save continuing the PsyWar vs. War Mind debate for another thread. You make some good arguments, and might have me beat! I haven't had the time to do the math yet. I'll come for you if I feel I have a leg to stand on.
by all means, any time you would like... i will help with the comparison
BTW, you dont have a link to the Dragon Compendium ?
:D
BTW, you dont have a link to the Dragon Compendium ?
Uh, no. Is it OGL and online somewhere?
i dont know .... i just havent seen it anywhere .... and was hoping someone had it somewhere online;)
:D
I don't think it's all legal, though.
My suggestion is to search.
Everybody can do that.
What's the harm?
I don't think that's illegal.
Righteousness is over-rated!
Even on the internet.
by all means, any time you would like... i will help with the comparison
BTW, you dont have a link to the Dragon Compendium ?
:D
I'll try and find one..
And cheers for the class - i was thinking of using Justicar for the hog tie..
I think it would come down to the GM making a decision on this - anyone can pick up some wire/cord and strangle someone/thing. Why this would be any different in LG i dont know. (Justicars can hog tie - why couldn't someone use a piece of cord to choke their opponent?).
The problem with this, however, (other than LG ending in about 3 months) is that depending on regions, lots of stuff tends to be large+ after about level 4. Some regions are known for having mostly humans and humanoids as foes, but you still run into an aweful lot of large-huge animals, constructs, magical beasts, outsiders, and even some huge undead. Grappling in LG just doesn't scale well enough to really do it well. You'd be best off just finding a big stick and whacking it till it stops moving, then maybe grab on to it if that's really your thing. Bummer I know, but what can you do...
edit: oh no waith, didn't read that you are legal good, the level of barb. made me think you changed your alignment :P you've to be chaotic neutral to enter this prc