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#1
sweeper88
Aug 12, 2012 23:30:44 ok im playing a 6th lvl 2 wpn fighting rogue that still has to be the primary skillmonkey. my scores after racial adjustment and my 4th level ability point are 8,20,13,18,11,10.hes allowing me to take 2 flaws and a trait. what flaws should i take??? Were playing 3.5 but hes letting me use the guildthief prestige class from 3.0 and i can take the leadership feat as one of my bonus feats with the limitation that i dont get a cohort. Im mainly going to use it for a spy network. The campaign is going to be a City oriented campaign. im playing a strongheart halfling. as far as build goes im thinking rogue 4/Swordsage 1/guildthief1/ Swordsage 1/ guildthief 4/ rogue 9.with all of the available feats what do you guys think i should take and when??? . I was kinda wondering if with the amount of feats ill get if its possible to go with TWF and the confound the bigfolk tree. Its a smaller party, we have a 6th level Illusionist and a 6th level fighter TWF spiked chain. The party size is the only reason hes allowing flaws and traits. Also i know guild thief isnt the best prc to go but it fits with the campaign perfectly and ive always wanted to be able to play one.
#2
draco1119
Aug 13, 2012 0:01:05 WotC's mobile site blows goats for lunch money!

Ok, for the THIRD time now:
Flaws: shaky & murky-eyed
Classes: Swashbuckler4/Swordsage1/Guildthief (assuming you can qualify this way) 2/Swordsage1/XXX
Starting that way allows you to grab Assassin's Stance with your second level in SS.
Feats: 1) Weapon Finesse
1) TWF*
1) ???* (Craven, maybe?)
1) Leadership*
3) ???
5) Weapon Focus (Shadow Hand weapons)*
6) Improved TWF
9) Daring Outlaw
*=bonus feat

If you use your original class ideas, the feats change, since yoy'll have a lower BAB, and no use for Daring Outlaw. Either way, stick an extra level of either rogue or Guildthief in between the two levels of SS so you can get a third-level stance with SS2.
#3
sweeper88
Aug 13, 2012 16:31:55 The only problem with swashbuckler that i have is the low skill points. i am the skill monkey and the melee damage.lowere levels the 4 swashbuckeler is going to hurt my skills too bad. my main concern is the 2 flaws and what kind of feat build i should use for this character. Ty though for pointing out i need to wait an extra level for my second SS level i almost completely overlooked that.right now i get 4 feats at 1st level, and im trying to figure out what i could use to maximize my character later on in the game. right now im looking at TWF for 1st and craven but all my other feats i want to take have higher prereqs. im looking at making it a twf and if i can manage in the feats id like to take the confound the bigfolk feat tree at least enough to get some use out of it if i cant get it all. Im going to get leadership for a bonus feat with guild thief so i dont have to worry about that.
#4
draco1119
Aug 13, 2012 16:35:53 Iirc, weapon FINESSE doesn't have a prerequisite.
#5
sweeper88
Aug 13, 2012 17:11:07 Wpn Finesse says bab +1
#6
draco1119
Aug 13, 2012 18:33:47 D'oh! I knew weapon focus did; forgot weapon finesse had the same.
#7
draco1119
Aug 13, 2012 18:34:48 What about Open Minded for extra skill points?
#8
draco1119
Aug 13, 2012 18:55:59 Are you allowed campaign-specific material (specifically Eberron)?
#9
sweeper88
Aug 13, 2012 20:00:26 Im allowed anything out of any 3.5 books and hes being pretty easygoing about feats that are usually broken like leadership because of our party size. originally i wanted to play a skillmonkey social rogue until i found out we only had 3 people playing. i was gonna go with the changeling and substitution levels but we needed a little extra damage and i figured with a spiked chain fighter i will get plenty of sneak attack from flanks and trips.
#10
sweeper88
Aug 13, 2012 20:06:06 i was thinking maybe darkstalker as a 3rd feat but i still have a 4th to pick. im just trying to figure out how to optimize my rogue as far as feats go. also i dont mind other prcs and stuff as long as they give me my SA and good skill points. preferably 6+int per level. Before with the social rogue i was gonna focus on disguise and stuff for infiltration, but now i think im going to have to focus on stealth like a cat burgalur would.

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#1 sweeper88 Aug 12, 2012 23:30:44	ok im playing a 6th lvl 2 wpn fighting rogue that still has to be the primary skillmonkey. my scores after racial adjustment and my 4th level ability point are 8,20,13,18,11,10.hes allowing me to take 2 flaws and a trait. what flaws should i take??? Were playing 3.5 but hes letting me use the guildthief prestige class from 3.0 and i can take the leadership feat as one of my bonus feats with the limitation that i dont get a cohort. Im mainly going to use it for a spy network. The campaign is going to be a City oriented campaign. im playing a strongheart halfling. as far as build goes im thinking rogue 4/Swordsage 1/guildthief1/ Swordsage 1/ guildthief 4/ rogue 9.with all of the available feats what do you guys think i should take and when??? . I was kinda wondering if with the amount of feats ill get if its possible to go with TWF and the confound the bigfolk tree. Its a smaller party, we have a 6th level Illusionist and a 6th level fighter TWF spiked chain. The party size is the only reason hes allowing flaws and traits. Also i know guild thief isnt the best prc to go but it fits with the campaign perfectly and ive always wanted to be able to play one.
#2 draco1119 Aug 13, 2012 0:01:05	WotC's mobile site blows goats for lunch money! Ok, for the THIRD time now: Flaws: shaky & murky-eyed Classes: Swashbuckler4/Swordsage1/Guildthief (assuming you can qualify this way) 2/Swordsage1/XXX Starting that way allows you to grab Assassin's Stance with your second level in SS. Feats: 1) Weapon Finesse 1) TWF* 1) ???* (Craven, maybe?) 1) Leadership* 3) ??? 5) Weapon Focus (Shadow Hand weapons)* 6) Improved TWF 9) Daring Outlaw *=bonus feat If you use your original class ideas, the feats change, since yoy'll have a lower BAB, and no use for Daring Outlaw. Either way, stick an extra level of either rogue or Guildthief in between the two levels of SS so you can get a third-level stance with SS2.
#3 sweeper88 Aug 13, 2012 16:31:55	The only problem with swashbuckler that i have is the low skill points. i am the skill monkey and the melee damage.lowere levels the 4 swashbuckeler is going to hurt my skills too bad. my main concern is the 2 flaws and what kind of feat build i should use for this character. Ty though for pointing out i need to wait an extra level for my second SS level i almost completely overlooked that.right now i get 4 feats at 1st level, and im trying to figure out what i could use to maximize my character later on in the game. right now im looking at TWF for 1st and craven but all my other feats i want to take have higher prereqs. im looking at making it a twf and if i can manage in the feats id like to take the confound the bigfolk feat tree at least enough to get some use out of it if i cant get it all. Im going to get leadership for a bonus feat with guild thief so i dont have to worry about that.
#4 draco1119 Aug 13, 2012 16:35:53	Iirc, weapon FINESSE doesn't have a prerequisite.
#5 sweeper88 Aug 13, 2012 17:11:07	Wpn Finesse says bab +1
#6 draco1119 Aug 13, 2012 18:33:47	D'oh! I knew weapon focus did; forgot weapon finesse had the same.
#7 draco1119 Aug 13, 2012 18:34:48	What about Open Minded for extra skill points?
#8 draco1119 Aug 13, 2012 18:55:59	Are you allowed campaign-specific material (specifically Eberron)?
#9 sweeper88 Aug 13, 2012 20:00:26	Im allowed anything out of any 3.5 books and hes being pretty easygoing about feats that are usually broken like leadership because of our party size. originally i wanted to play a skillmonkey social rogue until i found out we only had 3 people playing. i was gonna go with the changeling and substitution levels but we needed a little extra damage and i figured with a spiked chain fighter i will get plenty of sneak attack from flanks and trips.
#10 sweeper88 Aug 13, 2012 20:06:06	i was thinking maybe darkstalker as a 3rd feat but i still have a 4th to pick. im just trying to figure out how to optimize my rogue as far as feats go. also i dont mind other prcs and stuff as long as they give me my SA and good skill points. preferably 6+int per level. Before with the social rogue i was gonna focus on disguise and stuff for infiltration, but now i think im going to have to focus on stealth like a cat burgalur would.