My stat rolls are as follows : 17 17 15 15 14 13
Yes those are some pretty solid rolls I can make anything.
DM is making us start at level 1, but at level 2 we are given a bonus stat point to add as well.
I have been leaning towards a Halfling (Monk 1 / Fighter 2 / Cleric 17) Archer style. Obviously monk for the wisdom ac. Archer because my dex will be ridiculously good for using a bow and the lack of armor. Low strength since I can always use Divine Might in the future. This is the build I was going for, but I thought about coming on here and asking for some opinions from all of you
I was also thinking about a Human Duskblade, I really enjoy playing Caster/Combat characters.
Essentially I am on here asking all of you to give me your opinions as to a class/build I could dominate with but at the same time not get bored because we all know sticking to one style is somewhat boring. That's why I am leaning towards a Divine combat caster or an arcane combat caster
Oh and with your suggested build do not actually take a level of monk buy a monk's belt 13k....
There's a few Fochlucan Lyricist builds that aren't that painful while leveling up, too.
(I personally hate playing divine casting warriors... I always end up rebuilding them to something else.)
Just some God with Longbow as the favored weapon, and the War-domain along with Planning or Undeath. Gets you free Weapon Focus. Alternatively, one could play an Elf but that would result in a more problematic stat split (well, Wild Elf would be fine - Int is your only real dumpscore anyways).
That aside, RKV is really awesome when you have something to use swift actions, spend a turn attempt to get a swift action and use it with something like Ordained Champion from Complete Champion that can cast any War Domain spell with a casting time of a standard action as a swift.
My group already has a cleric apparently, and a sorcerer. So we will see what I end up going with haha Duskblade 5/Abjurant Champion 1/Suel Arcanamach 1/Abjurant Champion +4/Suel Arcanamach +3/Spellsword 1/Dragonslayer 1/Dragon Disciple 4
or
Duskblade 3/Fighter 1/Lion Totem Barbarian 1/same from 6 on as above build
or
Duskblade 3/Fighter 2/Lion Totem Barbarian 1/Suel Arcanamach 1/Abjurant Champion 5/Suel Arcanamach +3/Spellsword 1/Dragon Disciple 4
Use Illumian with Aeshkrau. Jack your Strength through the roof.
First build has more spellcasting (Use Versatile Spellcasting feat to fuel SA spells with Db spells), second one gets pounce and an extra feat to burn, third one delays Abjurant Champion final goodies by one level in turn for a net gain of 3 feats (no Dragonslayer requirement of Dodge, plus two levels of fighter).
Better spells than a Duskblade, better abilities, better combat capability...same basic idea though.
You could go the normal gish route to eventually get 9th level spells and all, but the early and mid levels are much more painful, especially if you will be doing TONS of combat even at that point.
I've actually never played a duskblade before. I really like clerics because of their combat/spellcasting abilities. So I would probably like the duskblade. I might try out that build you suggested
Don't get me wrong....a fully cheesed out Cleric w/ all the Turn-n-burn metamagic and all that is probably gonna be more dominant than the builds I suggested, but, personally, I never really liked the whole DMM persistent stuff so I stick to builds like those above. However, the builds above should be better than average all the way through, and pretty powerful with the right feats and spells by the time they need to be pretty powerful.
Here's how it works: Any power => Erudite Spell to Power Feature => Geomancer Spell Versatility. Every spell in game exists as power. Gain any spell. Win.
Quicken it or something for lulz.
Failing that by DM fiat:
Ardent 10 / Slayer 10.
Some fun duskblades ...
Bard 1 / Duskblade 4 / Ur Priest 2 / Duskblade +1 / Mystic Theurge 8
Duskblade 13 / barbarian 1 / Rage Mage 6
Duskblade 13 / Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil 7 (w/ heighten spell)
Duskblade 13 / Sandshaper 1 / Escalation Mage 6
Duskblade 13 / Elemental Adept 1 / Sanctified One of Kord 1 / something 5
Or, if you like, I've got some shield builds around here somewhere that smash the heck out of enemies with Shield Charge and Shield Smash. I believe the basic idea was Barbarian 2/Fighter 8/War Hulk 10, using the Dungeoncrasher varient for Fighters and Lion Totem, Wolf Totem, and Whirling Frenzy for the Barbarian. Be a Dragonborn Water Orc, get Permanent Enlarge Person when you can, and take Shield Charge, Shield Slam, Power Attack, Improved Bull Rush, Shock Trooper, Knockback and Leap Attack. Get a Bashing Heavy Shield with Valorous Skillfull Armor Spikes.
Every attack on the charge (and you get up to four of those) deals massive damage, trips your enemy, gives you an extra attack if you trip the enemy, and dazes the enemy for a round, plus every attack hits everyone within reach. Also, every attack knocks enemies back and you can direct where they go, ensuring that you can charge again next round against your floored and dazed enemies.
Bulldozer, baby.
JaronK
The duskblade seems like a pretty solid combo that I am looking for.
the psion idea I will try another time I think, it is fairly interesting ;) I've never played a psion before so that's worth a shot too.
That smash build sounds badass :D I like the idea of battering around your enemies ;) and stepping on their throats as you walk to the next enemy :P
Psion. Level 9 take Expanded Knowledge: Divine Power.
Here's how it works: Any power => Erudite Spell to Power Feature => Geomancer Spell Versatility. Every spell in game exists as power. Gain any spell. Win.
Quicken it or something for lulz.
Failing that by DM fiat:
Ardent 10 / Slayer 10.
What would the progression for that look like? Erudite 9/Geomancer 10/xxx 1? (Mindbender for telepathy is a personal favorite)
What would the progression for that look like? Erudite 9/Geomancer 10/xxx 1? (Mindbender for telepathy is a personal favorite)
... You don't need Geomancer levels, you need to prove that geomancers exist, hereby if your DM tries to disagree with Expanded Knowledge: Divine Power, tell him to open Complete Divine, and look at "Spell Versatility."
I mean, Spell to Power feature of Erudites states: "Any arcane spell.". Geomancers Archivist/Arcane Casters can cast any divine spell as arcane spell, therefore any divine spell works too.
Capizhz?
... You don't need Geomancer levels, you need to prove that geomancers exist, hereby if your DM tries to disagree with Expanded Knowledge: Divine Power, tell him to open Complete Divine, and look at "Spell Versatility."
I mean, Spell to Power feature of Erudites states: "Any arcane spell.". Geomancers Archivist/Arcane Casters can cast any divine spell as arcane spell, therefore any divine spell works too.
Capizhz?
Gotcha, so it's just an Erudite, using the versatility rules of the Geomancer to open up all spells, and the spell to power rules. Note to self, make a psigish out of that >.>
later turn in to a lesser briarbair (what ever they are called) spike people
Gotcha, so it's just an Erudite, using the versatility rules of the Geomancer to open up all spells, and the spell to power rules. Note to self, make a psigish out of that >.>
I'm not sure it really works that way. Read the Geomancer ... it doesn't make all arcane spells divine ... it allows you to use parameters from one on the other.
If your GM lets it fly, you're golden though ...
I'm not sure it really works that way. Read the Geomancer ... it doesn't make all arcane spells divine ... it allows you to use parameters from one on the other.
If your GM lets it fly, you're golden though ...
Yeah, thereby it's possible to cast any divine spell as arcane spell.
Thereby for a very short time of casting, there must exist an arcane version of any divine spell.
Thereby arcane versions of all divine spells exist.
See, I'd just go with Lion Totem Barbarian. Smash everything. Nothing but pure smash. Whee!
Or, if you like, I've got some shield builds around here somewhere that smash the heck out of enemies with Shield Charge and Shield Smash. I believe the basic idea was Barbarian 2/Fighter 8/War Hulk 10, using the Dungeoncrasher varient for Fighters and Lion Totem, Wolf Totem, and Whirling Frenzy for the Barbarian. Be a Dragonborn Water Orc, get Permanent Enlarge Person when you can, and take Shield Charge, Shield Slam, Power Attack, Improved Bull Rush, Shock Trooper, Knockback and Leap Attack. Get a Bashing Heavy Shield with Valorous Skillfull Armor Spikes.
Every attack on the charge (and you get up to four of those) deals massive damage, trips your enemy, gives you an extra attack if you trip the enemy, and dazes the enemy for a round, plus every attack hits everyone within reach. Also, every attack knocks enemies back and you can direct where they go, ensuring that you can charge again next round against your floored and dazed enemies.
Bulldozer, baby.
JaronK
Hey JaronK, how did you get four attacks?? War Hulk doesn't gain BAB does it?? I'd be interested in this build??
Hey JaronK, how did you get four attacks?? War Hulk doesn't gain BAB does it?? I'd be interested in this build??
Barbarian 2/Fighter 8/War Hulk 10 = BAB +10
full Attack= +10/+5
Pounce gives Full attack on Charge.... thus Leap Attack+charge+Valorious... gives lots of Damage... get Free Bullrush with PA from Knockback =
+10 + free bullrush/ +5 + free bullrush = 4 attacks... on 2 attacks you can Trip, which also gives an additional attack
:D
So here's the dealio sillyho. The campaign is, there is no campaign. At least not really, it's basically a hack and slash. Since we just finished up a roleplaying evil campaign. I was a bard that did absolutely no combat, and for this hack and slash campaign I want something ridiculously badass that won't break the game, but will stomp face.
My stat rolls are as follows : 17 17 15 15 14 13
Yes those are some pretty solid rolls I can make anything.
DM is making us start at level 1, but at level 2 we are given a bonus stat point to add as well.
I have been leaning towards a Halfling (Monk 1 / Fighter 2 / Cleric 17) Archer style. Obviously monk for the wisdom ac. Archer because my dex will be ridiculously good for using a bow and the lack of armor. Low strength since I can always use Divine Might in the future. This is the build I was going for, but I thought about coming on here and asking for some opinions from all of you
I was also thinking about a Human Duskblade, I really enjoy playing Caster/Combat characters.
Essentially I am on here asking all of you to give me your opinions as to a class/build I could dominate with but at the same time not get bored because we all know sticking to one style is somewhat boring. That's why I am leaning towards a Divine combat caster or an arcane combat caster
Two words; switch blade sam...
Fighter 20
Carry a bandolier of weapons. Quick draw + throw anything. Throw swords while at range of the enemy, and then when you come close, draw your two-bladed sword of brilliance, and get 8 attacks per round ignoring armor, make it transmuting (MiC) and it ignores all damage reduction after a round too...
May not be the MOST optimized hack and slash character, but it was certainly effective, and it was a WHOLE lot of fun
Barbarian 2/Fighter 8/War Hulk 10 = BAB +10
full Attack= +10/+5
Pounce gives Full attack on Charge.... thus Leap Attack+charge+Valorious... gives lots of Damage... get Free Bullrush with PA from Knockback =
+10 + free bullrush/ +5 + free bullrush = 4 attacks... on 2 attacks you can Trip, which also gives an additional attack
:D
Hmmm ... I'd think +10/+5 = 2 ... then +1 from Whirling Frenzy and maybe +1 from a Skillful weapon (unless he was doing an off-hand w/ the shield bash) ... AND THEN the bullrushes ...
How optimized are the other players, and what are they playing? If its not a super-power game you could do something simple like lion-barbarian/warblade/fighter, and go absolutely berserk. Take the frenzy variant from unearthed arcana for maximum fun
But that reminds me, you can drop two Fighter levels for Feat Rogue levels (from UA) gaining you a bonus feat, a bunch of skill points, evasion, and trapfinding at the cost of 4 hitpoints. Since your real BAB doesn't matter with the skillful weapon, that's a great trade.
JaronK