Help with a Soul Eater

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#1

psiotheurge

Mar 13, 2008 2:13:18		I decided I wanted to try and optimize a Soul Eater. I was inspired by Jarno's build, http://forums.gleemax.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-586076, but I want to see if I can make it better.

[Edit] I scrapped the original build, choosing a different route, based on my reply further down. The base saves are lower, but I'm okay with that. It appears to do better at the whole combat thing. Again, I'm building to level 9 for the campaign, but I am showing further progression. I'm still accepting any and all advice. (Thanks all!) This one is inspired by Caelic's boogeyman. I don't have the link on hand, though.

Race: Feral Changeling (Level Buyoff)
Alignment: LE
Flaws: Shaky, Vulnerable

1. Totemist - Alertness, Battle Jump, Leap of the Heavens
2. Totemist
3. Paladin of Slaughter - Multidexterity
4. Paladin of Slaughter
5. Fighter - Weapon Focus (claw)
6. Warshaper - Multiweapon Fighting
7. Warshaper
8. Soul Eater
9. Lion Totem Barbarian (pounce) - Superior Unarmed Strike

Abilities: 32-point buy
Str 20 (+4 Template +4 Warshaper)
Dex 12 (-2 Template)
Con 20 (+2 Template +4 Warshaper)
Int 10 (-4 Template)
Wis 16 (+2 Template)
Cha 16 (+ 2 levels + 2 enhancement)

AC: 34 (+6 Natural, +5 Armor, + 9 Defending Untyped, +1 Dex, +3 Wisdom)

Items of note: Using Wealth + 18000
Defending Amulet of the Mighty Fist +1 (Cheaper given the number of natural weapons I have)
Fanged Ring
Mithral Chain Shirt + 1
Cha Item + 2
Cloak of Resist + 2

Strategy: Binds Girallon arms, pounces for ridiculous (I'm not even going to modify anything with that adjective). I'd create three morphic weapons. Horns for a gore attack, a bite, and a tail. The Girallon rend adds to the damage.

The rest of the build would go

10. Soul Eater
11. Swordsage
12. Soul Eater - Improved Multiweapon Fighting
13. Soul Eater
14. Soul Eater
15. Soul Eater - Improved Natural Attack (Unarmed)
16. Soul Eater
17. Warblade
18. Fighter - Greater Multiweapon Fighting, Beast Strike
19. Free
20. Free

The swordsage level gets me cloak of deception and leaping dragon stance. The warblade level gets me ironheart surge and Dancing Mongoose. I wish there was a place for Flying Kick (always amazing in a charge build), but as is, I don't see any room for it. Regardless, this is a very capable melee fighter. At some point I'd throw the speed enchant on the amulet of mighty fists (assuming that it works the way I think it does, that's a whole bunch of attacks).

Again, I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks in advance!
#2

psiotheurge

Mar 13, 2008 17:31:42 		No ideas?
#3

xaktsaroth

Mar 13, 2008 23:11:18 		Soul Eater Handbook

Dunno if you've seen this or not, but it might give you a few ideas.
#4

playswithfire

Mar 14, 2008 0:00:08 		I've only built two soul eaters; one for play; one theoretical
I think the theoretical one would be playable at lower levels, but I have no Idea. I think you should be able to drop the three levels of Thri Kreen from my build and replace it with Totemist 2/Barbarian 1 and it should be playable, though it may have a different style than what you're going for.

A rough adaptation
Totemist - Dragonwrought, Alertness, Multiattack
Totemist
Paladin of Tyranny Weapon Finesse
Paladin of Tyranny
Unarmed Swordsage - Weapon Focus(tiger claw weapons),Improved Unarmed
Fighter - Combat Expertise, Combat Reflexes
Fighter - Improved Trip
Soul Eater
Unarmed Swordsage - Improved Multiattack

Or drop a fighter level for Hexblade and take improved trip at 9
Same BAB and stances as your build, more maneuvers, though a worse recovery mechanism; get wis to ac in light armor instead of unarmored and improved multiattack
#5

psiotheurge

Mar 14, 2008 16:22:17 		Thanks for the responses everyone. I have a second build that may work better, now, but I'm unsure.

Feral Changeling
Abilities:
18 Str (+4 Template + 4 Untyped)
14 Dex (-2 Template)
20 Con (+2 Template + 4 Untyped)
10 Int
16 Wis (+ 2 Template)
14 Cha

1. Totemist - Alertness, Aberration Blood, Unhuman Reach
2. Totemist
3. Paladin of Tyranny - Deepspawn
4. Paladin of Tyranny
5. Fighter - Weapon Focus (Claw)
6. Warshaper - Multiattack
7. Warshaper
8. Soul Eater

I take the +1 LA, but gain fast healing, natural AC, claw attacks, hd size, and darkvision, along with pounce. It loses evasion, but I become immune to crits and paralysis, and can make my own weapons (Yes, I lose imp. rapidstrike in the long run, but I have plenty of attacks to make up for it). The BAB is 1 lower with one less HD, and the base saves become 12/3/6. However, unequipped, this still becomes 20/7/12.

Items of note: Fanged Ring, Amulet of Might Fists (with so many natural attacks, it's cheaper), Mithral Chain +1, I dunno what else yet.

From her, I think I'd go.

9. Swordsage - Imp. Energy Drain
10. Fighter - Imp. Trip
11. Soul Eater
12. Soul Eater - Imp. Multiattack
13. Soul Eater
14. Soul Eater
15. Soul Eater - Dunno
16. Soul Eater
17. Soul Eater
18. Soul Eater - Dunno
19. Warblade

Of course I'm not sure if this is even better than my original build. It seems to have a more easily expressible flavour, but it does lose evasion and mettle. Of course, I could always buy a ring of evasion.
#6

plaguewraith

Mar 16, 2008 10:14:15 		where do you find the soul eater, what book
#7

Khan_the_Destroyer

Mar 16, 2008 10:21:09 		The Book of Vile Darkness.
#8

psiotheurge

Mar 17, 2008 3:15:42 		Also, what effect would Multiweapon fighting have on the build?
#9

neraagile

Mar 17, 2008 6:39:44 		UA's LA buyoff system will allow you to get rid of the Templates LA for some (for actual practical use of the build) and a level of Barbarian will give you Pounce (Lion Totem from Complete Champion)
#10

psiotheurge

Mar 17, 2008 21:30:14 		I believe the template already offers pounce.