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#1 NiteCyper Feb 14, 2010 3:34:28	The HiPS (Hide in Plain Sight) (Ex) ability, I want it usable from the get-go (read: level 1). The most intriguing option is the "Blend into Shadows" feat. In this case the "Warlock" and "Dragonfire Adept" base classes, with their unlimited "Darkness" least invocation S-LAs, are the obvious choices to fuel it. However, starting off as a "Warlock" or "Dragonfire Adept" is undesirable. The starting skill-points and other features of a "Factotum" or "Rogue" (with the "Fighter bonus feat"/Martial variant) are more preferrable. One option is to start as a Dark Whisper Gnome with the "Magically Adept" feat and get "No Light" 3/day at a duration of 1 min. each, then retrain that feat to "Blend into Shadows" dipping into either the "Dragonfire Adept" or "Warlock" base class at second level. The stealth bonuses are welcome as well as the back-up (of a second source of HiPS) if there is no area of magical Darkness within 10 feet to work off of. The problem with this though is the level-adjustment (LA) and limited (amount of) conditions for hiding assuming a complete reliance on the SLA, say if you're playing in a desert campaign. If I dipped into the Warlock, I'd want to take the "Factotum" (Dungeonscape) base class as a Human with the "Able Learner" feat, but Humans don't qualify for the "Magically Adept" feat. I don't know what base class I'd settle on for the first option. Is there any other source of an unlimited/at-will "Darkness" SLA (at first level) or source of shadowy illumination? Is there some more synergetic, reliable form of acquiring the "HiPS" ability? Show Reference(s): 1. Tome of Magic > page 161 > Creating a Dark creature - img715.yfrog.com/img715/2496/tom161dark.... 2. Drow of the Underdark > Feats > Blend into Shadows - yfrog.com/5edotu47featsbisp 3. Dragon Magic > "Dragonfire Adept" base class - yfrog.com/htdm81invocations2px 4. Complete Arcane > the "Warlock" base class - img141.imageshack.us/g/printjp2.bmp/ 5. SRD > Variant Classes > Martial Rogue variant - www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/varia... 6. Races of Stone > page 94 & 95 > "Whisper Gnome" race - yfrog.com/jnros94n95whgnomepx 7. Dragon Magazine issue #291 > page 32 > the "Magically Adept" feat - yfrog.com/jqd291p32p 8. Book of Vile Darkness > page 98 > "No Light" cantrip (level 0 spell) > yfrog.com/iybovd98spellslovespainstpx Show "No Light Transmutation Level: Brd 1, Clr 0, Sor/Wiz 0 Components: V, S Casting Time: 1 action Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Area: 20-ft.-radius spread Duration: 1 minute/level Saving Throw: None Spell Resistance: No The caster creates an area of darkness Normal light sources cannot illumi- nate the area, but darkvision allows a creature to see within the area. Light counters no light (and vice versa), leav- ing whatever light conditions nor- mally prevail in the overlapping areas of the spells. Higher-level light spells counter and dispel no light."
#2 PlzBreakMyCampaign Feb 18, 2010 16:43:25	A lot of this is up to DM interpretation, Do you still hide from a creature with darkvision? Add in the darkstalker feat or some other goodies (there is a ring that makes you invisible to darkvision) I'd say gnome or whatever cleric 1. Do you stay hidden once you make the check? Remember that swift action means it won't be usable if the hiding goes away You will want the UA feat to get class skills for the cleric though. I seem to remember a feat to get certain DFA SLAs. You might look into that. It seems doable, though feat heavy. Remember my Prreq handbook.