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#1 badgerx3 Mar 28, 2009 15:20:43	I just got my hands on Forgotten Realms - Shining South and I read the Beguiler monster, holy crap, I'M IN LOVE! I don't know why, but I want to play one of these! While it is indeed listed as a cohort, I can sooo run it by my DM. Please! Help me optimize a Phrenic Beguiler! I want to be able to hop into combat and flourish! I beg of you CO boards! Help me! All 3.5 books are cool I'm personally thinking one of these guys would be great trippers, but I'm not that great at optimizing, unlike the majority of the CO boards.
#2 hijaxx Mar 28, 2009 15:45:34	LA +0 is nice for us. My first impulse are psion, with the extra power point and that. erudite spell-to-power would allow us to also cast spells(lightning bolt :D ) we also have a nice int, giving us overall nice synergy also a pretty awesome party scout. lets have a look at his hide mod: +8 natural, +7 dex(Assuming we max it out)+(level+3)(ranks). at level 2, this cute little guy have a +4 on hide checks WHILE CHARGING/RUNNING! +19 while moving, and +24 while normal. +4 is what a standard level 1 human with max ranks in spot have as his mod. actually, i'd say the beguilers are a pretty good race. ECL 0 and all that.
#3 badgerx3 Mar 28, 2009 16:27:52	The phrenic template is free :] Yeah, Beguilers would make splendid scouts. The fact they have true sight is a bonus as well;)
#4 hijaxx Mar 28, 2009 16:53:33	The undetectable Beguiler Beast rouge 5/bard 4/shadowdancer 1/exemplar 1/marshal 1 Total Hide Modifier: 15(ranks)+11 (dex(32(18+2 leveling bonus+6 item+6 racial))), +8 racial, +4 exemplar, +2(assuming 14 cha) marshal(motivate dexterity 14+11+8+4+2=40. we can always take 10, so our hide checks are 50. we can hide in plain sight as long as we are in shadow. we can use scrolls of silence on ourselves to cover the Move Silently part.
#5 badgerx3 Mar 28, 2009 17:05:38	The undetectable Beguiler Beast rouge 5/bard 4/shadowdancer 1/exemplar 1/marshal 1 Total Hide Modifier: 15(ranks)+11 (dex(32(18+2 leveling bonus+6 item+6 racial))), +8 racial, +4 exemplar, +2(assuming 14 cha) marshal(motivate dexterity 14+11+8+4+2=40. we can always take 10, so our hide checks are 50. we can hide in plain sight as long as we are in shadow. we can use scrolls of silence on ourselves to cover the Move Silently part. It's beautiful! Thank you, so much!
#6 webjici Mar 28, 2009 19:26:31	You might want to pick the Improved Grapple feat, or getting an ability to use the Beguiler's rake attacks, like pounce.
#7 phoenix00 Mar 28, 2009 21:26:14	remember beguilers also have true seeing always on, thus it is very hard to sneak up on them, and magical concealment goes away.
#8 malkavon Mar 28, 2009 21:51:29	You know what is both cool and hilarious? A Beguiler Beguiler. Alternatively, you can pretty much crank the cuteness to 11 by playing a Petal Sorcerer with a Beguiler familiar. Seriously, you're a flower pixie who rides around on Pikachu. The BBEG will develop cavities just being near you.
#9 altpersona Mar 28, 2009 22:07:07	bellsprout...
#10 phaedrusxy Mar 29, 2009 1:46:04	There is a dark (template) beguiler factotum in a PbP I'm in, and his hide checks are absolutely insane. He can take ten for a DC of 75 at level 12...
#11 dr_rocktopus Mar 29, 2009 5:29:02	Collar of Umbral! Collar of Umbral!! I am extremely sold on the idea of a sneaky beguiler blastificer, how about you guys?
#12 hijaxx Mar 29, 2009 7:08:11	i agree totally on everything rock just said.
#13 phaedrusxy Mar 29, 2009 12:35:54	Collar of Umbral! Collar of Umbral!! Eh, if LA buyoff is allowed, I'd rather just take the template in a lot of cases.
#14 gorfnad_the_shiznit Mar 29, 2009 14:53:25	If I were to roll up stats on my own for one of these using the method in Savage Species (page 14) the Beguilers ability score modifiers would be +6 Dex, +2 Int, -4str (or is it just Str 6?). Is this right or am I missing something. These would be great stats for shadow pouncing build as well.
#15 dr_rocktopus Mar 29, 2009 15:39:16	Those are just great stats period. What size are beguilers?
#16 Balthanon Mar 29, 2009 15:46:09	It's Str -4 and beguiler's are small. They're far to the right of a balanced LA +0. I've always thought it would be interesting to play or run a game with some of the mistakes that WotC made with level adjustment, each player taking a race that is far and above other races of their ECL, but are more balanced against each other. Things like the beguiler (very nice stats, incredible perception, multiple natural attacks), incarnate maug (Large, incredible stats, very nice skills, good natural armor), the feral template, etc...
#17 dr_rocktopus Mar 29, 2009 16:03:52	You mean every game I've ever run?
#18 gorfnad_the_shiznit Mar 29, 2009 16:23:21	anyone remember seeing a picture of a human getting ambushed by three beguilers armed with daggers in dragon or dungeon magazine?
#19 badgerx3 Mar 29, 2009 17:16:54	A beguiler would also make a great daring outlaw :}
#20 sofawall Mar 29, 2009 18:34:56	You mean every game I've ever run? My players are awful. Every game I've ever run, my players think Fighter is a great class.
#21 phoenix00 Mar 29, 2009 18:58:45	Beguilers also are magical beast and thus have great alter self forms that are combat ready and they qualify for rapidstrike/improved rapidstrike.