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How optimal is Incantatrix without Persistent Spell?

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#1
Endarire
Apr 20, 2008 23:27:04 That seems the main source of the class's power. Without Persistent, is it still at least a seeming must-have?
#2
archerpwr
Apr 20, 2008 23:30:37 Oh no! I just have to quicken my buffs! The Horror!
#3
gaffer
Apr 20, 2008 23:40:02 It's still the best arcane PrC, yeah. At the very least, you can extend your Hour and 10m and 1m per level buffs for free.

There's a lot more there than free persist.
#4
tsuyoshikentsu
Apr 20, 2008 23:44:45 You know that thread that's been on page one for most of today? The one where the guy says that he's finding Quicken to be better than Persist?
#5
logicninja
Apr 21, 2008 0:02:41
Oh no! I just have to quicken my buffs! The Horror!

You know that thread that's been on page one for most of today? The one where the guy says that he's finding Quicken to be better than Persist?

Incantatrixes use Metamagic Effect on already-cast spells; Quicken doesn't work.

Reach, Chain, and Reach+Chain do. Extend does. You can even hit someone with a spell and move up to them, then next round Chain it to all their friends. Or apply Repeat just as a spell is about to run out (Extend + last-second Repeat = 4x duration).
#6
tsuyoshikentsu
Apr 21, 2008 0:34:05
Incantatrixes use Metamagic Effect on already-cast spells; Quicken doesn't work.

Reach, Chain, and Reach+Chain do. Extend does. You can even hit someone with a spell and move up to them, then next round Chain it to all their friends. Or apply Repeat just as a spell is about to run out (Extend + last-second Repeat = 4x duration).

Instant Metamagic, man. But even so, what you're saying applies as well.
#7
logicninja
Apr 21, 2008 0:35:59 Instant Metamagic is nice--VERY nice--but with errata it can't go over the limit of what you can normally cast, and it's 2/day by 10th. Metamagic Effect is the one you get lots of uses of. And use Cooperative Metamagic on your friends' spells, too.
#8
andyjames
Apr 21, 2008 1:22:53 The capstone ability and the bonus metamagic feats are the highlights for me. I like playing mages that use metamagic. E.g., Empowered, Maximized, Split, Twin Enervation/Prismatic Ray. Incantrix makes things a lot easier for such a feat intensive build.
#9
phaedrusxy
Apr 21, 2008 1:30:12
Instant Metamagic is nice--VERY nice--but with errata it can't go over the limit of what you can normally cast, and it's 2/day by 10th. Metamagic Effect is the one you get lots of uses of. And use Cooperative Metamagic on your friends' spells, too.

Oooh, I didn't know they'd Errata'd that. If they're going to fix that, why the **** don't they issue one for DMM, too?
#10
clockworkrevenge
Apr 21, 2008 1:51:57
That seems the main source of the class's power. Without Persistent, is it still at least a seeming must-have?

is there any place i can see the incantrix's class table/info?
#11
runedk
Apr 21, 2008 1:58:57
is there any place i can see the incantrix's class table/info?

First hit on google: Incantatrix

#12
logicninja
Apr 21, 2008 2:00:21 That's the 3.0 version. The 3.5 version is, ridiculously, even *more* powerful--significantly so.
#13
clockworkrevenge
Apr 21, 2008 2:03:30
That's the 3.0 version. The 3.5 version is, ridiculously, even *more* powerful--significantly so.

Can you show me that one? ^^
#14
logicninja
Apr 21, 2008 2:09:29
Can you show me that one? ^^

No, because it's not availible for free and it'd be illegal to do so. If you want to get the book (PGtF) illegally, I'm sure you can figure out how to do that yourself.
#15
runedk
Apr 21, 2008 2:10:20
Can you show me that one? ^^

According to the Prestige Class Index it is in Player's Guide to Faerûn, page 61.
#16
clockworkrevenge
Apr 21, 2008 2:12:13
No, because it's not availible for free and it'd be illegal to do so. If you want to get the book (PGtF) illegally, I'm sure you can figure out how to do that yourself.

NOOOO!! POVERTY, YOU FOIL ME AGAIN
#17
clockworkrevenge
Apr 21, 2008 2:14:24
That's the 3.0 version. The 3.5 version is, ridiculously, even *more* powerful--significantly so.

The variant loremaster im devising could (potentially if you had insane intelligence) do the free metamagic thingy 5 times per day by the of the class.
#18
Treantmonklvl20
Apr 21, 2008 8:58:05 Chain spell is my vote for use of Metamagic effect.

As Logicninja mentions - quicken doesn't work (which makes sense since Metamagic effect is used after the spell is already cast without metamagic)

However, Chain spell can pass on your buff goodies to all your buddies.

The Spellcraft roll isn't as ridiculous as persistant (though in most cases - still quite high).

And - with a single level dip into Archmage - you can make all your touch spells into reach spells - thus qualifying them all for those free chainings.
#19
alphathegreat
Apr 21, 2008 9:20:48 Though you shouldn't limit yourself to just one level of Archmage, of course. Mastery of Shaping and Elements are just too juicy!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Endarire Apr 20, 2008 23:27:04	That seems the main source of the class's power. Without Persistent, is it still at least a seeming must-have?
#2 archerpwr Apr 20, 2008 23:30:37	Oh no! I just have to quicken my buffs! The Horror!
#3 gaffer Apr 20, 2008 23:40:02	It's still the best arcane PrC, yeah. At the very least, you can extend your Hour and 10m and 1m per level buffs for free. There's a lot more there than free persist.
#4 tsuyoshikentsu Apr 20, 2008 23:44:45	You know that thread that's been on page one for most of today? The one where the guy says that he's finding Quicken to be better than Persist?
#5 logicninja Apr 21, 2008 0:02:41	Oh no! I just have to quicken my buffs! The Horror! You know that thread that's been on page one for most of today? The one where the guy says that he's finding Quicken to be better than Persist? Incantatrixes use Metamagic Effect on already-cast spells; Quicken doesn't work. Reach, Chain, and Reach+Chain do. Extend does. You can even hit someone with a spell and move up to them, then next round Chain it to all their friends. Or apply Repeat just as a spell is about to run out (Extend + last-second Repeat = 4x duration).
#6 tsuyoshikentsu Apr 21, 2008 0:34:05	Incantatrixes use Metamagic Effect on already-cast spells; Quicken doesn't work. Reach, Chain, and Reach+Chain do. Extend does. You can even hit someone with a spell and move up to them, then next round Chain it to all their friends. Or apply Repeat just as a spell is about to run out (Extend + last-second Repeat = 4x duration). Instant Metamagic, man. But even so, what you're saying applies as well.
#7 logicninja Apr 21, 2008 0:35:59	Instant Metamagic is nice--VERY nice--but with errata it can't go over the limit of what you can normally cast, and it's 2/day by 10th. Metamagic Effect is the one you get lots of uses of. And use Cooperative Metamagic on your friends' spells, too.
#8 andyjames Apr 21, 2008 1:22:53	The capstone ability and the bonus metamagic feats are the highlights for me. I like playing mages that use metamagic. E.g., Empowered, Maximized, Split, Twin Enervation/Prismatic Ray. Incantrix makes things a lot easier for such a feat intensive build.
#9 phaedrusxy Apr 21, 2008 1:30:12	Instant Metamagic is nice--VERY nice--but with errata it can't go over the limit of what you can normally cast, and it's 2/day by 10th. Metamagic Effect is the one you get lots of uses of. And use Cooperative Metamagic on your friends' spells, too. Oooh, I didn't know they'd Errata'd that. If they're going to fix that, why the **** don't they issue one for DMM, too?
#10 clockworkrevenge Apr 21, 2008 1:51:57	That seems the main source of the class's power. Without Persistent, is it still at least a seeming must-have? is there any place i can see the incantrix's class table/info?
#11 runedk Apr 21, 2008 1:58:57	is there any place i can see the incantrix's class table/info? First hit on google: Incantatrix
#12 logicninja Apr 21, 2008 2:00:21	That's the 3.0 version. The 3.5 version is, ridiculously, even more powerful--significantly so.
#13 clockworkrevenge Apr 21, 2008 2:03:30	That's the 3.0 version. The 3.5 version is, ridiculously, even more powerful--significantly so. Can you show me that one? ^^
#14 logicninja Apr 21, 2008 2:09:29	Can you show me that one? ^^ No, because it's not availible for free and it'd be illegal to do so. If you want to get the book (PGtF) illegally, I'm sure you can figure out how to do that yourself.
#15 runedk Apr 21, 2008 2:10:20	Can you show me that one? ^^ According to the Prestige Class Index it is in Player's Guide to Faerûn, page 61.
#16 clockworkrevenge Apr 21, 2008 2:12:13	No, because it's not availible for free and it'd be illegal to do so. If you want to get the book (PGtF) illegally, I'm sure you can figure out how to do that yourself. NOOOO!! POVERTY, YOU FOIL ME AGAIN
#17 clockworkrevenge Apr 21, 2008 2:14:24	That's the 3.0 version. The 3.5 version is, ridiculously, even more powerful--significantly so. The variant loremaster im devising could (potentially if you had insane intelligence) do the free metamagic thingy 5 times per day by the of the class.
#18 Treantmonklvl20 Apr 21, 2008 8:58:05	Chain spell is my vote for use of Metamagic effect. As Logicninja mentions - quicken doesn't work (which makes sense since Metamagic effect is used after the spell is already cast without metamagic) However, Chain spell can pass on your buff goodies to all your buddies. The Spellcraft roll isn't as ridiculous as persistant (though in most cases - still quite high). And - with a single level dip into Archmage - you can make all your touch spells into reach spells - thus qualifying them all for those free chainings.
#19 alphathegreat Apr 21, 2008 9:20:48	Though you shouldn't limit yourself to just one level of Archmage, of course. Mastery of Shaping and Elements are just too juicy!