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#1 CanineLord Jun 05, 2009 2:14:03	As a quest reward, our DM is allowing us to choose a 1st or 2nd level spell to either make permanent (ignoring the normal permanency rules) or to be useable a limited amount of times per day. The frequency of use depends on spell power. For example, Protection from Evil would be permanent but Wraithstrike would have limited uses per day. I'm playing a tank build (Warforged into MoMF via wildshape Ranger.) Given that I can have access to ANY arcane or divine 1st or 2nd level spell, what would be helpful? Tanx
#2 CantripN Jun 05, 2009 2:23:59	Lesser Vigor, Beastland Ferocity or Blood Wind.
#3 sofawall Jun 05, 2009 2:32:00	Lesser Vigor, Beastland Ferocity or Blood Wind. Does that allow to keep fighting at less than -10, or just less than 0?
#4 CantripN Jun 05, 2009 2:52:28	Does that allow to keep fighting at less than -10, or just less than 0? Assuming you don't die from it, yes. So with Delay Death, you don't really care about damage.
#5 telehax Jun 05, 2009 4:56:22	"Protection from Evil would be permanent but Wraithstrike would have limited uses per day." Elaborate? In any case, try expeditious retreat/swift haste
#6 CanineLord Jun 05, 2009 5:44:48	"Protection from Evil would be permanent but Wraithstrike would have limited uses per day." Elaborate? Meaning that the GM is going to gage the power of the spell, and use that to determine how often (from once per day on through to constant) that the spell is accessed. He feels that Protection from Evil as a constant isn't unbalancing, but Wraithstrike would be.
#7 jameswilliamogle Jun 05, 2009 7:30:41	Ray of Enfeeblement! oh, no, nm...
#8 cragghunter Jun 05, 2009 7:36:53	Heroics with limited uses per day = changeable feats
#9 cragghunter Jun 05, 2009 8:03:12	You need to give more info. books allowed will it be sla , sp , ex will it stack if you use each round will you have to pay material cost if it has one for each casting stat your full build is your build set in stone or changeable stat your team mates do you get bonus exp for making the dm cry You will get better responses and suggestions to optimize this.
#10 BloodDragon Jun 05, 2009 8:59:11	Very first thing i thought of was "be sure to chcek out classes that grant high level spells in lower slots." Classes such as Trapsmith, Assassin, Demonologist (Bestow Curse!), Adept, or similiar as well as spells from Domains. Top of my list: Haste Trapsmith 2 Mirror Image It is Swift Fly Duskblade 2 ... Heroics/Alterself
#11 cragghunter Jun 05, 2009 9:48:06	Very first thing i thought of was "be sure to chcek out classes that grant high level spells in lower slots." Classes such as Trapsmith, Assassin, Demonologist (Bestow Curse!), Adept, or similiar as well as spells from Domains. Top of my list: Haste Trapsmith 2 Mirror Image Fly Duskblade 2 Heroics/Alterself Duskblade is swift fly which is a wizard/sorcerer 2 other than that great suggestions. oh and haste is 1st level trapsmith
#12 emy Jun 05, 2009 11:02:53	If you're a melee brute, I think Protection from Evil would actually be pretty good, for its secondary effect of blocking possession attempts and charm/compulsion. If you end up picking from other spell lists: Greater Invisibility / Telflammar Shadowlord 2 Magic Circle against Evil / Demonologist 2 Since you're already wildshaping, I don't recommend alter self.
#13 ithamar Jun 05, 2009 11:18:13	Since you'll be wildshaping, Scintillating Scales would probably be very useful. Nothing like a +16 deflection bonus to help out your touch AC.
#14 acereraklives Jun 05, 2009 14:59:46	I would just go for a permanent Protection from Evil - blocking all mind control and a small bonus to AC and saves against most foes is pretty sweet for a 1st level spell slot, and it won't upset the DM either.
#15 gilfalas_elaandrin Jun 05, 2009 16:57:22	Warforged Tank? See if Repair Light Damage would be uses per day or at will.
#16 yawar Jun 05, 2009 23:10:16	Warforged Tank? See if Repair Light Damage would be uses per day or at will. Why don´t Repair Moderate Damage?
#17 ninjarabbit Jun 06, 2009 20:39:19	Protection from evil is a very solid choice. A few others I'd consider: Shield: since you probably won't have a shield bonus Silent Image: it's uses are endless Grease- always a solid spell for a creative player Benign transpositation-Another always useful spell Fog Cloud- messes up ranged attacks among other things Ray of stupidity: an encounter ender but will probably be in the same boat as wraithstrike Nerveskelter- more initative is always a good thing
#18 CanineLord Jun 06, 2009 22:26:51	All very good suggestions, thank you. In the same vein--I may end up playing another character, a Dragonwrought Kobold Druid/Sorcerer/Arcane Hierophant that uses Alter Self to turn into a dragon, channels spells into Draconic Breath, and is heading for the Dragon Wildshape feat at level 12. What (quasi)permanent 1st or 2nd level spell would be best for this kind of spell-using, flying skirmisher? Tanx PS Please keep the suggestions for the Warforged spell coming if you have them.