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#1 Bluuegg Jul 18, 2013 3:31:28	As the title says ; Benefit: You can apply metamagic feats that you know to sorcerer spells without increasing the casting time. This benefi t even lets you quicken your sorcerer spells with the Quicken Spell feat. I don't see where this applies to any of the Metamagic feats as they stand without this feature. Please keep in mind I have a difficult time with RAW, and would appreciate an example of how this is beneficial if possible. Thanks in advance community, always appreciated! ~bluuegg
#2 Tempest_Stormwind Jul 18, 2013 6:57:20	Sorcerers and Bards Sorcerers and bards choose spells as they cast them. They can choose when they cast their spells whether to apply their metamagic feats to improve them. As with other spellcasters, the improved spell uses up a higher-level spell slot. But because the sorcerer or bard has not prepared the spell in a metamagic form in advance, he must apply the metamagic feat on the spot. Therefore, such a character must also take more time to cast a metamagic spell (one enhanced by a metamagic feat) than he does to cast a regular spell. If the spell’s normal casting time is 1 standard action, casting a metamagic version is a full-round action for a sorcerer or bard. (This isn’t the same as a 1-round casting time.) For a spell with a longer casting time, it takes an extra full-round action to cast the spell. Summary: sorcerers using metamagic take longer to cast their spells, which also prevents Quicken. Metamagic Specialist frees them from this limit. Since actions are the single most important resource in the game, getting your spells to cost fewer actions is a major benefit.
#3 draco1119 Jul 18, 2013 8:40:48	The same is true for any class that doesn't prepare its spells ahead of time, also - so pretty much everything that casts spells and isn't a wizard, cleric, or Druid. Just wanted to make sure that was explicitly understood. What is Metamagic Specialist? I usually just use the Rapid Metamagic feat.
#4 daedhaed Jul 18, 2013 8:50:09	I believe it's an ACF for sorcerers.
#5 Tempest_Stormwind Jul 18, 2013 9:51:58	Metamagic Specialist is available at level 1 instead of level 9, but is only for sorcerers. I seem to remember it having a daily limit though.
#6 draco1119 Jul 18, 2013 10:55:42	That explains it, then. I used it with a Favored Soul.
#7 StevenO Jul 18, 2013 12:06:22	Metamagic Specialist is available at level 1 instead of level 9, but is only for sorcerers. I seem to remember it having a daily limit though. If it is what I believe we are talking about it is an alternative class feature a Sorcerer can get instead of a familiar.  It allows the use of a MM feat without the increased casting time.  I know it could be used a number of times equal to the characters INT modifier plus, I believe, a fixed number of times in addition to that with 1 or 3 being most likely.  I think it is in the PHB2. The "benefit" of this is that it: 1.  Will eventually allow a Sorcerer to use the Quicken Spell MM feat. 2.  It gives the Sorcerer back is move action which is normally consumed with his standard action when casting a MM spell as a full round action. The benefits are small but can be significant in some cases and to some characters.  Also remember that some players aren't big fans of familiars thus it is an easy extra use for them.
#8 Bluuegg Jul 18, 2013 20:26:48	Thank you all for answering. Explained very well. I had no idea that metamagic spells even had to be readied in advanced by wizards. Much appreciated.