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#1 justinkossow Jan 05, 2010 22:35:24	There are a few topics that I have questions on regarding an Artificer build... 1) It says that I can apply metamagic feats to my infusions, I understand the extended cast time, but lets pretend I cast a persistent 1st level infusion, does it take up a 1st level spell slot or a 3rd like persistent would on an actual spellcaster? 2) I am reading that metamagic spell trigger is a good idea to grab as a feat. I understand the spell trigger idea, but I don't understand how this feat would help me... 3) I have been playing for a few years, but this is my first dabble in crafting. My biggest concern in my inexperience with crafting and using wands. I am reading that an artificer acts two levels higher when crafting items, but my big question is how do metamagic feats sit inside of wands... do I have to use more than one charge per use if i want to apply metamagic abilities like twin?
#2 wubs Jan 05, 2010 23:24:54	community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... Try that link for more info, but.. 1)  No idea on this question. 2)  Metamagic spell trigger is a class feature you automatically gain.  Grabbing a metamagic feat simply let's you use it.  Example:  extend spell raises it by 1 spell level, means in this case it costs 1 more charge, so you use 2 charges when using this class feature. 3)  Yes, the link above goes into more detail, as well as the above example. Anyway, hope that helps! =)
#3 toryn Jan 05, 2010 23:48:57	community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... Try that link for more info, but.. 1)  No idea on this question. 2)  Metamagic spell trigger is a class feature you automatically gain.  Grabbing a metamagic feat simply let's you use it.  Example:  extend spell raises it by 1 spell level, means in this case it costs 1 more charge, so you use 2 charges when using this class feature. 3)  Yes, the link above goes into more detail, as well as the above example. Anyway, hope that helps! =) This link Wubs provided is an awesome reference for artificers.
#4 vangrue Jan 06, 2010 0:32:25	Not to nitpick or anything, but Persistent spell adds 6 spell levels. 1) Using metamagic feats with infusions works the same as for a sorcerer, in that like a wizard it can apply metamagic feats it knows to spells (or infusions in this case) it knows by taking up an appropriately higher-level slot, though to do so spontaneously it takes longer to cast/imbue. So, an extended 1st level infusion actually takes up a 2nd level infusion slot. Due to this, you will be hard-pressed to use Persistent Spell as a metamagic feat on your infusions, though you might find it useful on a spell trigger item (only you'll burn through charges like a wildfire through a forest).
#5 wubs Jan 06, 2010 18:05:13	Most artificers for persistent use the 3rd lvl infusion, metamagic infusion? (i forget what it was called) but it provides a free metamagic that doesn't use charges.  Quite handy for persistent spell that way. Other hints, liberal use of spell storing infusion at low lvls = win at versatility.