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Ichigo Optimization, But...

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#1
detectivejabsco
Apr 09, 2008 20:50:46 *As a qualifier i am well aware of the stigma that follows Anime Character Creation. I am aware that 99% of all Anime is hard if not imposable to do Pre-Epic, And it is epically difficult to play from level one. That being said i would like some help with build Ichigo from the Anime Bleach.

Now unlike most Anime, Ichigo dose not start out as a god of power in fact quite the opposite. He is a normal person who is given power. Though he can't control most of it from the get go and is fairly "week" in comparison to other Anime. This fact leads me to believe that Ichigo can be made playable from level one.*

BOOKS
-Core
-Completes(all)
-TOB
-Setting(BOED/BOVD/SndStrm/ECT...)
-Most of Eberron(tho i would like to stay away)
-Fearun(all)
-UA

Goal
*Ichigo Relies on Sword Play and Shunpo(Flash Step/Blink)
*Ichigo Rarely uses magic, he was never trained.
*Ichigo Sometimes Produce Semi-Magical Powers from his Sword
*Ichigo is MAD i know lowering this would be nice.
*Ichigo is a Human(maybe titan bloodline)
*Ichigo is a Un-Armored Tank(never gets hit, But has high HP, This is scaling he is not god)
*Ichigo is a damage dealer.

The Build

Human Titan Bloodline: PsiWar4/Swordsage3/Slayer8/Master of the Nine5

Blood Line bought off as LA
My item Familar would be a Jovar of some sort

Flaws
Shaky(Ichigo never uses ranged weapon)
Inattentive(unless he really needs to, Ichigo is kinda like a gold fish)

Feats
(H)-Improved Initiative
(F1)-Speed Of Thought
(F2)-Dodge
(LVL1)-Psionic Weapon*
(PsiWar1)-*
(LVL3)-Item Familiar
(PsiWar4)-Cleave
(LVL6)-Track
(LVL9)-*
(LVL12)-Improved Unarmed Strike
(LVL15)-*
(LVL18)-*

*-I don't know if i want this feat or i don't know what to take.

So this is my proposition Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also if anyone can think of a Build Just Using the TOB.
Like Swordsage3/Warblade12/MotN5 or something i would love your impute.
Thank You
-Jabsco
#2
x-codes
Apr 09, 2008 23:39:51 Psychic Warrior 20 w/ Soulbound Weapon Alternative Class Feature

Notable powers:
Biofeedback
Burst
Call Weaponry
Inertial Armor
Vigor
Animal Affinity
Body Adjustment
Body Purification
Hustle
Psionic Lion's Charge
Dimension Slide
Energy Bolt
Psychofeedback
Form of Doom

That said, PP will be few and far between and, at the same time, absolutely critical to the success of this build. After getting the key feats (Likely Power Attack, Expanded Knowledge (Energy Bolt), Expanded Knowledge (Fly, Psionic), and Quicken Power) multiple applications of the Psionic Talent feat will be almost required. By my count, you will have 15 feats total, meaning 11 leftover for Psionic Talent, giving a total of 77 additional PP. If you can convince your DM to give you Energy Bolt/Burst and Psionic Fly without spending feats (flavor reasons?) then you'll wind up with two more feats giving 27 more PP.

If you want, you can also take Psionic Body. That will net you a more-than-insignificant bonus to HP, but I again feel that the extra PP will more than outstrip the HP bonus what with Body Adjustment and Vigor on your list.

Another option is Overchannel and Talented. These will trash your PP much quicker, however, while taking many of them away.

If you can get your weapon to be a Legacy Weapon instead of a Soulbound Weapon, you'll be able to take the Mantled Warrior ACF instead. Obviously, the mantle you want would be Mental Power. Aside from the Mental Disruption and Intellect Fortress powers (which are good), you'll get another PP boost (a modest boost to be sure, but good all the same).

Some people might suggest Tashalatora, but I think simply adding a Monk's Belt would be better in this situation. Also, spending 13 feats for Psionic Talent is arguably very sub-optimal, but for a power-oriented Psychic Warrior I feel it's necessary.

Anyway, epic is sooner than you think. IMO Bankai signifies 21st level when comparing to the D&D system. If you do take this to an epic game, you're probably just going to take Improved Manifestation a lot.

Another option is War Mind. You'll lose Form of Doom most likely, but have more versatility pre-epic and can get most any power you want post-epic because of Power Knowledge. I think you should only use it in Epic games.
#3
detectivejabsco
Apr 10, 2008 0:42:34 Ah, thank you for all your help. Would Psi war10/Slayer10 be better for the Higher BAB? So.
BAB 17/ML 19
#4
alienfrombeyond
Apr 10, 2008 3:04:10 Titan Bloodline but not abusing the fact that you can wield a Gargantuan Warhammer in two hands without penalty? Come on, it doesn't hurt to make your character a little bit different from the base, and it keeps the ridiculously huge weapon bit.
#5
detectivejabsco
Apr 10, 2008 3:10:24 well walking through a 10 foot wide cavern and being attacked is kinda hard when swinging your wep means well not swinging your wep.
#6
Senevri
Apr 10, 2008 5:53:12 Just a note; Remember that when he goes uber, he uses a standard-sized Katana. So don't go and get super-focused on a really big sword.

If you REALLY want to be accurate, all these abilities should actually be Astral Projected or Dream Imaged or something like that... but skipping that for now...

Wouldn't Incarnum be thematically very good for this, what with being all about soul power? Also, ideally his weapon should be manifested on-the-spot instead of an actual object ( although it functions like an ordinary object most of the time, so meh. )
Lessee, Incarnate Weapon gets you the VISUAL of a large longsword, if you have EWP. I'm sure you could negotiate with the DM for other shapes. Incarnum also has those "summonable" masks...

Mechanically it seems like weaksauce, though.

Outside that, Stone Power crusader (elfblood), dip the other two, go Eternal Blade, maybe Mo9?

*edit*
That being said, I like what X-Codes is cooking.
#7
x-codes
Apr 10, 2008 5:55:37
Titan Bloodline but not abusing the fact that you can wield a Gargantuan Warhammer in two hands without penalty? Come on, it doesn't hurt to make your character a little bit different from the base, and it keeps the ridiculously huge weapon bit.

Ichigo's sword is strictly a normal-sized greatsword. It's not something he's compensating with. You can argue that his Shikai is a Falchion, and I won't argue with you, but I just wouldn't do it that way. Furthermore, optimizing it to be otherwise would end up being sub-optimal as his Bankai is a medium-size Bastard Sword at best.
#8
dracoemyrs
Jun 06, 2011 8:50:36 Im not familiar with the slayer class. What book is it in?

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#1 detectivejabsco Apr 09, 2008 20:50:46	As a qualifier i am well aware of the stigma that follows Anime Character Creation. I am aware that 99% of all Anime is hard if not imposable to do Pre-Epic, And it is epically difficult to play from level one. That being said i would like some help with build Ichigo from the Anime Bleach. Now unlike most Anime, Ichigo dose not start out as a god of power in fact quite the opposite. He is a normal person who is given power. Though he can't control most of it from the get go and is fairly "week" in comparison to other Anime. This fact leads me to believe that Ichigo can be made playable from level one. BOOKS -Core -Completes(all) -TOB -Setting(BOED/BOVD/SndStrm/ECT...) -Most of Eberron(tho i would like to stay away) -Fearun(all) -UA Goal Ichigo Relies on Sword Play and Shunpo(Flash Step/Blink) Ichigo Rarely uses magic, he was never trained. Ichigo Sometimes Produce Semi-Magical Powers from his Sword Ichigo is MAD i know lowering this would be nice. Ichigo is a Human(maybe titan bloodline) Ichigo is a Un-Armored Tank(never gets hit, But has high HP, This is scaling he is not god) Ichigo is a damage dealer. The Build* Human Titan Bloodline: PsiWar4/Swordsage3/Slayer8/Master of the Nine5 Blood Line bought off as LA My item Familar would be a Jovar of some sort Flaws Shaky(Ichigo never uses ranged weapon) Inattentive(unless he really needs to, Ichigo is kinda like a gold fish) Feats (H)-Improved Initiative (F1)-Speed Of Thought (F2)-Dodge (LVL1)-Psionic Weapon* (PsiWar1)-* (LVL3)-Item Familiar (PsiWar4)-Cleave (LVL6)-Track (LVL9)-* (LVL12)-Improved Unarmed Strike (LVL15)-* (LVL18)-* *-I don't know if i want this feat or i don't know what to take. So this is my proposition Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also if anyone can think of a Build Just Using the TOB. Like Swordsage3/Warblade12/MotN5 or something i would love your impute. Thank You -Jabsco
#2 x-codes Apr 09, 2008 23:39:51	Psychic Warrior 20 w/ Soulbound Weapon Alternative Class Feature Notable powers: Biofeedback Burst Call Weaponry Inertial Armor Vigor Animal Affinity Body Adjustment Body Purification Hustle Psionic Lion's Charge Dimension Slide Energy Bolt Psychofeedback Form of Doom That said, PP will be few and far between and, at the same time, absolutely critical to the success of this build. After getting the key feats (Likely Power Attack, Expanded Knowledge (Energy Bolt), Expanded Knowledge (Fly, Psionic), and Quicken Power) multiple applications of the Psionic Talent feat will be almost required. By my count, you will have 15 feats total, meaning 11 leftover for Psionic Talent, giving a total of 77 additional PP. If you can convince your DM to give you Energy Bolt/Burst and Psionic Fly without spending feats (flavor reasons?) then you'll wind up with two more feats giving 27 more PP. If you want, you can also take Psionic Body. That will net you a more-than-insignificant bonus to HP, but I again feel that the extra PP will more than outstrip the HP bonus what with Body Adjustment and Vigor on your list. Another option is Overchannel and Talented. These will trash your PP much quicker, however, while taking many of them away. If you can get your weapon to be a Legacy Weapon instead of a Soulbound Weapon, you'll be able to take the Mantled Warrior ACF instead. Obviously, the mantle you want would be Mental Power. Aside from the Mental Disruption and Intellect Fortress powers (which are good), you'll get another PP boost (a modest boost to be sure, but good all the same). Some people might suggest Tashalatora, but I think simply adding a Monk's Belt would be better in this situation. Also, spending 13 feats for Psionic Talent is arguably very sub-optimal, but for a power-oriented Psychic Warrior I feel it's necessary. Anyway, epic is sooner than you think. IMO Bankai signifies 21st level when comparing to the D&D system. If you do take this to an epic game, you're probably just going to take Improved Manifestation a lot. Another option is War Mind. You'll lose Form of Doom most likely, but have more versatility pre-epic and can get most any power you want post-epic because of Power Knowledge. I think you should only use it in Epic games.
#3 detectivejabsco Apr 10, 2008 0:42:34	Ah, thank you for all your help. Would Psi war10/Slayer10 be better for the Higher BAB? So. BAB 17/ML 19
#4 alienfrombeyond Apr 10, 2008 3:04:10	Titan Bloodline but not abusing the fact that you can wield a Gargantuan Warhammer in two hands without penalty? Come on, it doesn't hurt to make your character a little bit different from the base, and it keeps the ridiculously huge weapon bit.
#5 detectivejabsco Apr 10, 2008 3:10:24	well walking through a 10 foot wide cavern and being attacked is kinda hard when swinging your wep means well not swinging your wep.
#6 Senevri Apr 10, 2008 5:53:12	Just a note; Remember that when he goes uber, he uses a standard-sized Katana. So don't go and get super-focused on a really big sword. If you REALLY want to be accurate, all these abilities should actually be Astral Projected or Dream Imaged or something like that... but skipping that for now... Wouldn't Incarnum be thematically very good for this, what with being all about soul power? Also, ideally his weapon should be manifested on-the-spot instead of an actual object ( although it functions like an ordinary object most of the time, so meh. ) Lessee, Incarnate Weapon gets you the VISUAL of a large longsword, if you have EWP. I'm sure you could negotiate with the DM for other shapes. Incarnum also has those "summonable" masks... Mechanically it seems like weaksauce, though. Outside that, Stone Power crusader (elfblood), dip the other two, go Eternal Blade, maybe Mo9? edit That being said, I like what X-Codes is cooking.
#7 x-codes Apr 10, 2008 5:55:37	Titan Bloodline but not abusing the fact that you can wield a Gargantuan Warhammer in two hands without penalty? Come on, it doesn't hurt to make your character a little bit different from the base, and it keeps the ridiculously huge weapon bit. Ichigo's sword is strictly a normal-sized greatsword. It's not something he's compensating with. You can argue that his Shikai is a Falchion, and I won't argue with you, but I just wouldn't do it that way. Furthermore, optimizing it to be otherwise would end up being sub-optimal as his Bankai is a medium-size Bastard Sword at best.
#8 dracoemyrs Jun 06, 2011 8:50:36	Im not familiar with the slayer class. What book is it in?