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Incandescent Champion + Incarnum Blade

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#1
true_shinken
Jun 19, 2009 13:06:03 So, has anyone tried to put these two rather underused classes on a single build? Azurin xxx 5/Incarnum Blade 5/Incandescent Champion 10 seems the best bet, where xxx must be full bab. Incandescent Champion gets bonus damage so I guess this is should be a TWF build - since we need a blademeld, though, we should probably use a double weapon. I'm thinking something along the lines of Ranger 2/Hexblade 3 for XXX, since the dark companion could help with Incandescent Champion's fear inducing glare and Ranger gets TWF. You could use use hexblade and ranger wands, which is a plus.
Any ideas on how to improve this?

This is just a thought experiment btw.
#2
dr_rocktopus
Jun 19, 2009 13:11:17 Where can I find incandescent blade? I'm always interested in reliable sources of bonus damage!
#3
Balthanon
Jun 19, 2009 13:22:31 Magic of Incarnum, for both I believe.

Hexblade wouldn't work with incandescent champion though-- they can't be good.
#4
arteyu
Jun 19, 2009 13:42:37
Magic of Incarnum, for both I believe.

Hexblade wouldn't work with incandescent champion though-- they can't be good.

He can be non-good until he takes the PrC, no?

Or do what I do, ignore Alignment and Race prerequisites. :P
#5
BloodDragon
Jun 19, 2009 13:50:08
Or do what I do, ignore Alignment and Race prerequisites. :P

Houserules are fine, and while I practise similar rulings at my table, other people might stick to what is written in the book.
#6
true_shinken
Jun 19, 2009 14:11:41
He can be non-good until he takes the PrC, no?

Or do what I do, ignore Alignment and Race prerequisites. :P

Oh, I totally forgot about the nongood requirement on hexblade. So it's Ranger 2/xxx 3. Could be Zhentarim Fighter 3, I guess.
#7
BloodDragon
Jun 19, 2009 14:20:58 If you are thinking of aimming at TWF build how about 3 Swash for Weapon Finesse since Dex will be a prime stat(?) and a little extra damage from Int.
#8
true_shinken
Jun 19, 2009 14:31:58
If you are thinking of aimming at TWF build how about 3 Swash for Weapon Finesse since Dex will be a prime stat(?) and a little extra damage from Int.

I like that option, though the MAD makes me worried. Dex, Int, Con, Cha...
but a Str build would still need 4 stats anyway...
Oh, now that I think about it, the finesse thing might be a problem since I can't think of any double weapon which has both sides finesseable.
Can you feycraft double weapons?
#9
Balthanon
Jun 19, 2009 15:07:29 Given that you don't really get any attack related abilities out of blademeld (+1 insight damage and what amounts to a minor holy/unholy effect are about it), I don't know that I would worry much about using a double weapon. For the purposes of enchantment (which this essentially is), double weapons usually treat each head as a separate weapon anyway.

In fact, I think if you take 2 hours (or possibly even just 1), you might be able to shape a blademeld for each weapon-- it certainly isn't going to break anything on the class since you can still only use one or two chakra binds.
#10
true_shinken
Jun 19, 2009 15:10:13
Given that you don't really get any attack related abilities out of blademeld (+1 insight damage and what amounts to a minor holy/unholy effect are about it), I don't know that I would worry much about using a double weapon. For the purposes of enchantment (which this essentially is), double weapons usually treat each head as a separate weapon anyway.

So you could use a blademeld and a non-blademelded weapon and still get the most of Incarnum Blade, I see.
We could go for short swords or dragonsplits (that is, if we have feats to spare).
#11
awaken_D_M_golem
Jun 19, 2009 15:30:34 Incarnum Blade provides the fastest way, to Heart and Soul binding locations.
Heart Of Incarnum (sp?) feat then can give you hp equal to your essentia pool (iirc).
Can you say Necrocarnate abuse ?! But that's not what you want.
There are four more inc. feats, that key off of Binding locations.
Run, powerpoints, healing, and one more i've forgotten (for real) ... i know that books around here somewhere (rummaging sounds).

Incandescent Champ doesn't do much for me.
But it certainly looks good, with a little Psycarnum Infusion craziness.
There might be a class feature interaction with I.C. ; feats obviously provide options.

Further afield, Bloodline 3 / Inc Blade 1 or 2 / Inc Champ 4 is probably all thats needed.
Gives 11 or 12 levels to work with ... maybe Ardent. See Phoenix00.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 true_shinken Jun 19, 2009 13:06:03	So, has anyone tried to put these two rather underused classes on a single build? Azurin xxx 5/Incarnum Blade 5/Incandescent Champion 10 seems the best bet, where xxx must be full bab. Incandescent Champion gets bonus damage so I guess this is should be a TWF build - since we need a blademeld, though, we should probably use a double weapon. I'm thinking something along the lines of Ranger 2/Hexblade 3 for XXX, since the dark companion could help with Incandescent Champion's fear inducing glare and Ranger gets TWF. You could use use hexblade and ranger wands, which is a plus. Any ideas on how to improve this? This is just a thought experiment btw.
#2 dr_rocktopus Jun 19, 2009 13:11:17	Where can I find incandescent blade? I'm always interested in reliable sources of bonus damage!
#3 Balthanon Jun 19, 2009 13:22:31	Magic of Incarnum, for both I believe. Hexblade wouldn't work with incandescent champion though-- they can't be good.
#4 arteyu Jun 19, 2009 13:42:37	Magic of Incarnum, for both I believe. Hexblade wouldn't work with incandescent champion though-- they can't be good. He can be non-good until he takes the PrC, no? Or do what I do, ignore Alignment and Race prerequisites. :P
#5 BloodDragon Jun 19, 2009 13:50:08	Or do what I do, ignore Alignment and Race prerequisites. :P Houserules are fine, and while I practise similar rulings at my table, other people might stick to what is written in the book.
#6 true_shinken Jun 19, 2009 14:11:41	He can be non-good until he takes the PrC, no? Or do what I do, ignore Alignment and Race prerequisites. :P Oh, I totally forgot about the nongood requirement on hexblade. So it's Ranger 2/xxx 3. Could be Zhentarim Fighter 3, I guess.
#7 BloodDragon Jun 19, 2009 14:20:58	If you are thinking of aimming at TWF build how about 3 Swash for Weapon Finesse since Dex will be a prime stat(?) and a little extra damage from Int.
#8 true_shinken Jun 19, 2009 14:31:58	If you are thinking of aimming at TWF build how about 3 Swash for Weapon Finesse since Dex will be a prime stat(?) and a little extra damage from Int. I like that option, though the MAD makes me worried. Dex, Int, Con, Cha... but a Str build would still need 4 stats anyway... Oh, now that I think about it, the finesse thing might be a problem since I can't think of any double weapon which has both sides finesseable. Can you feycraft double weapons?
#9 Balthanon Jun 19, 2009 15:07:29	Given that you don't really get any attack related abilities out of blademeld (+1 insight damage and what amounts to a minor holy/unholy effect are about it), I don't know that I would worry much about using a double weapon. For the purposes of enchantment (which this essentially is), double weapons usually treat each head as a separate weapon anyway. In fact, I think if you take 2 hours (or possibly even just 1), you might be able to shape a blademeld for each weapon-- it certainly isn't going to break anything on the class since you can still only use one or two chakra binds.
#10 true_shinken Jun 19, 2009 15:10:13	Given that you don't really get any attack related abilities out of blademeld (+1 insight damage and what amounts to a minor holy/unholy effect are about it), I don't know that I would worry much about using a double weapon. For the purposes of enchantment (which this essentially is), double weapons usually treat each head as a separate weapon anyway. So you could use a blademeld and a non-blademelded weapon and still get the most of Incarnum Blade, I see. We could go for short swords or dragonsplits (that is, if we have feats to spare).
#11 awaken_D_M_golem Jun 19, 2009 15:30:34	Incarnum Blade provides the fastest way, to Heart and Soul binding locations. Heart Of Incarnum (sp?) feat then can give you hp equal to your essentia pool (iirc). Can you say Necrocarnate abuse ?! But that's not what you want. There are four more inc. feats, that key off of Binding locations. Run, powerpoints, healing, and one more i've forgotten (for real) ... i know that books around here somewhere (rummaging sounds). Incandescent Champ doesn't do much for me. But it certainly looks good, with a little Psycarnum Infusion craziness. There might be a class feature interaction with I.C. ; feats obviously provide options. Further afield, Bloodline 3 / Inc Blade 1 or 2 / Inc Champ 4 is probably all thats needed. Gives 11 or 12 levels to work with ... maybe Ardent. See Phoenix00.