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Is there a class with evasion and full BAB?

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#1
psorowman
Mar 20, 2009 2:32:11 I'm making a character based a little on the "I may be tiny, but you're dead" thread, and i've got 8 levels left to play around with. I'd like to keep as close to full bab as i can, and also have something to guard against area of effect spells. All books are allowed, though no psionics or dragon magazine.

Here's the build so far:
Samurai4/Fighter2/Marshal1/Iaijutsu Master5/
Stoutheart Halfling- +2 dex, -2 str
old aged- +2 cha, wis, int, -2 str, dex, con

Feats
1Skill Focus (Iaijutsu focus)
1Improved Initiative
1Quick Draw
2 Weapon Focus (Katana)
3 Item Familiar
4 Nymph's Kiss(vampire hunter)
5 Combat Expertise
6 Giantbane
6 Goad
9 Underfoot Combat
11 Improved trip
12 Confound the Big Folk

Note: He's blind, vampire hunter is an alternative if he's used in a ravenloft campaign game, and goad and combat expertise can be subbed out for something else if need be. Also, the old age is for flavor (why is it in DND that when people get older, they see and hear better?)

I was also thinking of switching some things around, get a ring of evasion, and just taking 10 levels of ghost faced killer but if something better can be found, sweet.
#2
CantripN
Mar 20, 2009 2:51:52 Master Thrower.
#3
psorowman
Mar 20, 2009 2:53:18 ...don't really think that fits with the theme of the build, but thanks.
#4
Grumman
Mar 20, 2009 3:13:44 If you can use LA buyoff, there's also the Shadow Creature template from Lords of Madness. That's what I suggested using for a Dread Fang of Lolth/Iaijutsu Master build.
#5
phaxi
Mar 20, 2009 3:20:09 Evasion
Astral Dancer 2 (4), ecl 7 (9), Planar Handbook - first value in zero-G, bracket value in normal circumstances
Chameleon 3, ecl 8, Races of Destiny, see text
Cipher Adept 2, ecl 9, Planar Handbook
Combat Medic 4, ecl 9, Heroes of Battle
Dungeon Delver 4, ecl 11, Complete Adventurer
Loredelver 3, ecl 10, Races of Destiny
Monk 2
Ninja 12
Ranger 9
Rogue 2
Scout 5
Shadow Scout, OA
Shadowdancer 2
Survivor 2, ecl 3, Savage Species
Extreme Explorer 2, ecl 6, Eberron Campaign Setting
Initiate of the Draconic Mysteries 1, ecl 6, Draconomicon
Master Thrower 2, ecl 7 (CW)
Great Raptor Mask, soulmeld, Magic of Incarnum
Impulse Boots, soulmeld, Magic of Incarnum
Riding Bracers, soulmeld, Magic of Incarnum, for your mount
Combat Medic 4, ecl 9, Heroes of Battle
Swordsage 9, Tome of Battle
Master Specialist (abjuration) 7, ecl 10, Complete Mage - works for all saves, see text
Lurk 9, Complete Psionic
Aglarondan Griffonrider 2, ecl 9, FR: Unapproachable East - only while mounted

Ring of Evasion, ring, DMG, works in armour

special mention
Divine Oracle 2, ecl 7, Complete Divine, works in any type of armour
Shadow Creature, template, Lords of Madness
Riding Bracers, soulmeld, Magic of Incarnum - grants evasion to your mount
Spell Reflection, Complete Mage variant - reflects spells that missed, see text
Rogue 10, 13, 16, or 19/20, class variant, Complete Champion, "Friend's Evasion", evasion for all adjacent allies
Sanctified One (Olidammara) 1 or 3 or 5/5, ecl 6, Complete Champion, allies within 30', see text
#6
carnivore
Mar 20, 2009 4:49:56 any Full BAB + Ring of Evasion

:D
#7
kabof_
Mar 20, 2009 6:12:26 Since we're talking about this, could someone please tell me where I find the rule that states that a Ring of Evasion works in all kinds of armor?
Thanks.
#8
phaxi
Mar 20, 2009 7:00:46
Since we're talking about this, could someone please tell me where I find the rule that states that a Ring of Evasion works in all kinds of armor?
Thanks.

Evasion
This ring continually grants the wearer the ability to avoid damage as if she had evasion. Whenever she makes a Reflex saving throw to determine whether she takes half damage, a successful save results in no damage.

Moderate transmutation; CL 7th; Forge Ring, jump; Price 25,000 gp.

Mentions nothing about wearing armor. Note also that it says nothing like "..just as the rogue/monk class feature".
#9
mister_crowley
Mar 20, 2009 7:14:51
I'm making a character based a little on the "I may be tiny, but you're dead" thread, and i've got 8 levels left to play around with. I'd like to keep as close to full bab as i can, and also have something to guard against area of effect spells. All books are allowed, though no psionics or dragon magazine.

Here's the build so far:
Samurai4/Fighter2/Marshal1/Iaijutsu Master5/
Stoutheart Halfling- +2 dex, -2 str
old aged- +2 cha, wis, int, -2 str, dex, con

Feats
1Skill Focus (Iaijutsu focus)
1Improved Initiative
1Quick Draw
2 Weapon Focus (Katana)
3 Item Familiar
4 Nymph's Kiss(vampire hunter)
5 Combat Expertise
6 Giantbane
6 Goad
9 Underfoot Combat
11 Improved trip
12 Confound the Big Folk

Note: He's blind, vampire hunter is an alternative if he's used in a ravenloft campaign game, and goad and combat expertise can be subbed out for something else if need be. Also, the old age is for flavor (why is it in DND that when people get older, they see and hear better?)

I was also thinking of switching some things around, get a ring of evasion, and just taking 10 levels of ghost faced killer but if something better can be found, sweet.

Old age penalties are cumulative, so it'd actually be +2 Int, Wis, Cha and -3 Str, Dex, and Con. If he's blind he's always going to have a 50% miss chance. Part of me thinks you're just a troll seeing how dumb people are
#10
psorowman
Mar 20, 2009 9:58:11
Old age penalties are cumulative, so it'd actually be +2 Int, Wis, Cha and -3 Str, Dex, and Con. If he's blind he's always going to have a 50% miss chance. Part of me thinks you're just a troll seeing how dumb people are

Actually, I'm not. Thanks for pointing out the mistake about old age, but the blind thing is real. I should have probably mentioned that its a homebrew flaw "blind from birth" and he gets +8 listen, blindfight, and an extra feat. He's also wearing a blindfold of true darkness (the dm says it works). Did you really think I'd make him blind without having some sort of counter to it?
#11
true_shinken
Mar 20, 2009 11:20:38 You should take Nymph's Kiss earlier. As for evasion, I think your best bets for it without losing BAB are either Ranger or Impulse Boots.
#12
arteyu
Mar 20, 2009 12:17:49 If your GM allows the bonus feats for the Generic Classes found in Unearthed Arcana, you can take Evasion as a feat for only +3 reflex.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/genericClasses.htm#bonusFeats
#13
BloodDragon
Mar 20, 2009 12:43:17
Samurai4/Fighter2/Marshal1/Iaijutsu Master5/
-snip-
Note: He's blind, vampire hunter is an alternative if he's used in a ravenloft campaign game.

Sorry where and what is this Samurai/Vampire Hunter thing? Is it in the Exp to Castle Ravenloft book? Normally Samurai is seen as a class to "never-take" but I'd like to see what you're using first.
#14
true_shinken
Mar 20, 2009 12:48:28
Sorry where and what is this Samurai/Vampire Hunter thing? Is it in the Exp to Castle Ravenloft book? Normally Samurai is seen as a class to "never-take" but I'd like to see what you're using first.

He's obviously using Oriental Adventures' Samurai.
#15
psorowman
Mar 20, 2009 12:48:47
Sorry where and what is this Samurai/Vampire Hunter thing? Is it in the Exp to Castle Ravenloft book? Normally Samurai is seen as a class to "never-take" but I'd like to see what you're using before I really say anything.

Yeah, samurai from complete warrior is pretty bad, but the samurai from oriental adventures is decently good. vampire hunter is in the castle ravenloft book as well as libris mortis (I think)
#16
BloodDragon
Mar 20, 2009 13:07:36
He's obviously using Oriental Adventures' Samurai.

Oh. Oh I mean-Ofcourse! Obviously! Yes...

To OP: Well I lack Oriental Adventures so I suppose I can't comment, but since you're looking for a Full BAB and Evasion, maybe Ranger is the answer. The Vampire Hunter feat reminds me of the Nemesis Exhalted feat, which might be a little more nifty then just "immune to Gaze attacks" and applies to all undead (if you take Undead as a Favoured enemy that is).

But I, like most people would probably just buy the Ring of E as previously mentioned, it's simple and saves you class levels.

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#1 psorowman Mar 20, 2009 2:32:11	I'm making a character based a little on the "I may be tiny, but you're dead" thread, and i've got 8 levels left to play around with. I'd like to keep as close to full bab as i can, and also have something to guard against area of effect spells. All books are allowed, though no psionics or dragon magazine. Here's the build so far: Samurai4/Fighter2/Marshal1/Iaijutsu Master5/ Stoutheart Halfling- +2 dex, -2 str old aged- +2 cha, wis, int, -2 str, dex, con Feats 1Skill Focus (Iaijutsu focus) 1Improved Initiative 1Quick Draw 2 Weapon Focus (Katana) 3 Item Familiar 4 Nymph's Kiss(vampire hunter) 5 Combat Expertise 6 Giantbane 6 Goad 9 Underfoot Combat 11 Improved trip 12 Confound the Big Folk Note: He's blind, vampire hunter is an alternative if he's used in a ravenloft campaign game, and goad and combat expertise can be subbed out for something else if need be. Also, the old age is for flavor (why is it in DND that when people get older, they see and hear better?) I was also thinking of switching some things around, get a ring of evasion, and just taking 10 levels of ghost faced killer but if something better can be found, sweet.
#2 CantripN Mar 20, 2009 2:51:52	Master Thrower.
#3 psorowman Mar 20, 2009 2:53:18	...don't really think that fits with the theme of the build, but thanks.
#4 Grumman Mar 20, 2009 3:13:44	If you can use LA buyoff, there's also the Shadow Creature template from Lords of Madness. That's what I suggested using for a Dread Fang of Lolth/Iaijutsu Master build.
#5 phaxi Mar 20, 2009 3:20:09	Evasion Astral Dancer 2 (4), ecl 7 (9), Planar Handbook - first value in zero-G, bracket value in normal circumstances Chameleon 3, ecl 8, Races of Destiny, see text Cipher Adept 2, ecl 9, Planar Handbook Combat Medic 4, ecl 9, Heroes of Battle Dungeon Delver 4, ecl 11, Complete Adventurer Loredelver 3, ecl 10, Races of Destiny Monk 2 Ninja 12 Ranger 9 Rogue 2 Scout 5 Shadow Scout, OA Shadowdancer 2 Survivor 2, ecl 3, Savage Species Extreme Explorer 2, ecl 6, Eberron Campaign Setting Initiate of the Draconic Mysteries 1, ecl 6, Draconomicon Master Thrower 2, ecl 7 (CW) Great Raptor Mask, soulmeld, Magic of Incarnum Impulse Boots, soulmeld, Magic of Incarnum Riding Bracers, soulmeld, Magic of Incarnum, for your mount Combat Medic 4, ecl 9, Heroes of Battle Swordsage 9, Tome of Battle Master Specialist (abjuration) 7, ecl 10, Complete Mage - works for all saves, see text Lurk 9, Complete Psionic Aglarondan Griffonrider 2, ecl 9, FR: Unapproachable East - only while mounted Ring of Evasion, ring, DMG, works in armour special mention Divine Oracle 2, ecl 7, Complete Divine, works in any type of armour Shadow Creature, template, Lords of Madness Riding Bracers, soulmeld, Magic of Incarnum - grants evasion to your mount Spell Reflection, Complete Mage variant - reflects spells that missed, see text Rogue 10, 13, 16, or 19/20, class variant, Complete Champion, "Friend's Evasion", evasion for all adjacent allies Sanctified One (Olidammara) 1 or 3 or 5/5, ecl 6, Complete Champion, allies within 30', see text
#6 carnivore Mar 20, 2009 4:49:56	any Full BAB + Ring of Evasion :D
#7 kabof_ Mar 20, 2009 6:12:26	Since we're talking about this, could someone please tell me where I find the rule that states that a Ring of Evasion works in all kinds of armor? Thanks.
#8 phaxi Mar 20, 2009 7:00:46	Since we're talking about this, could someone please tell me where I find the rule that states that a Ring of Evasion works in all kinds of armor? Thanks. Evasion This ring continually grants the wearer the ability to avoid damage as if she had evasion. Whenever she makes a Reflex saving throw to determine whether she takes half damage, a successful save results in no damage. Moderate transmutation; CL 7th; Forge Ring, jump; Price 25,000 gp. Mentions nothing about wearing armor. Note also that it says nothing like "..just as the rogue/monk class feature".
#9 mister_crowley Mar 20, 2009 7:14:51	I'm making a character based a little on the "I may be tiny, but you're dead" thread, and i've got 8 levels left to play around with. I'd like to keep as close to full bab as i can, and also have something to guard against area of effect spells. All books are allowed, though no psionics or dragon magazine. Here's the build so far: Samurai4/Fighter2/Marshal1/Iaijutsu Master5/ Stoutheart Halfling- +2 dex, -2 str old aged- +2 cha, wis, int, -2 str, dex, con Feats 1Skill Focus (Iaijutsu focus) 1Improved Initiative 1Quick Draw 2 Weapon Focus (Katana) 3 Item Familiar 4 Nymph's Kiss(vampire hunter) 5 Combat Expertise 6 Giantbane 6 Goad 9 Underfoot Combat 11 Improved trip 12 Confound the Big Folk Note: He's blind, vampire hunter is an alternative if he's used in a ravenloft campaign game, and goad and combat expertise can be subbed out for something else if need be. Also, the old age is for flavor (why is it in DND that when people get older, they see and hear better?) I was also thinking of switching some things around, get a ring of evasion, and just taking 10 levels of ghost faced killer but if something better can be found, sweet. Old age penalties are cumulative, so it'd actually be +2 Int, Wis, Cha and -3 Str, Dex, and Con. If he's blind he's always going to have a 50% miss chance. Part of me thinks you're just a troll seeing how dumb people are
#10 psorowman Mar 20, 2009 9:58:11	Old age penalties are cumulative, so it'd actually be +2 Int, Wis, Cha and -3 Str, Dex, and Con. If he's blind he's always going to have a 50% miss chance. Part of me thinks you're just a troll seeing how dumb people are Actually, I'm not. Thanks for pointing out the mistake about old age, but the blind thing is real. I should have probably mentioned that its a homebrew flaw "blind from birth" and he gets +8 listen, blindfight, and an extra feat. He's also wearing a blindfold of true darkness (the dm says it works). Did you really think I'd make him blind without having some sort of counter to it?
#11 true_shinken Mar 20, 2009 11:20:38	You should take Nymph's Kiss earlier. As for evasion, I think your best bets for it without losing BAB are either Ranger or Impulse Boots.
#12 arteyu Mar 20, 2009 12:17:49	If your GM allows the bonus feats for the Generic Classes found in Unearthed Arcana, you can take Evasion as a feat for only +3 reflex. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/genericClasses.htm#bonusFeats
#13 BloodDragon Mar 20, 2009 12:43:17	Samurai4/Fighter2/Marshal1/Iaijutsu Master5/ -snip- Note: He's blind, vampire hunter is an alternative if he's used in a ravenloft campaign game. Sorry where and what is this Samurai/Vampire Hunter thing? Is it in the Exp to Castle Ravenloft book? Normally Samurai is seen as a class to "never-take" but I'd like to see what you're using first.
#14 true_shinken Mar 20, 2009 12:48:28	Sorry where and what is this Samurai/Vampire Hunter thing? Is it in the Exp to Castle Ravenloft book? Normally Samurai is seen as a class to "never-take" but I'd like to see what you're using first. He's obviously using Oriental Adventures' Samurai.
#15 psorowman Mar 20, 2009 12:48:47	Sorry where and what is this Samurai/Vampire Hunter thing? Is it in the Exp to Castle Ravenloft book? Normally Samurai is seen as a class to "never-take" but I'd like to see what you're using before I really say anything. Yeah, samurai from complete warrior is pretty bad, but the samurai from oriental adventures is decently good. vampire hunter is in the castle ravenloft book as well as libris mortis (I think)
#16 BloodDragon Mar 20, 2009 13:07:36	He's obviously using Oriental Adventures' Samurai. Oh. Oh I mean-Ofcourse! Obviously! Yes... To OP: Well I lack Oriental Adventures so I suppose I can't comment, but since you're looking for a Full BAB and Evasion, maybe Ranger is the answer. The Vampire Hunter feat reminds me of the Nemesis Exhalted feat, which might be a little more nifty then just "immune to Gaze attacks" and applies to all undead (if you take Undead as a Favoured enemy that is). But I, like most people would probably just buy the Ring of E as previously mentioned, it's simple and saves you class levels.