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Jade Phoenix/Abjurant Champion Gish

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#1
ElfenLied
Jul 14, 2009 4:15:47 Hi all,
I wish to build a Gish based on the aforementioned classes. Rules are:
36 PB or Champion array
All 3.5 sources (except Dragon magazine)
No templates (except those acquired through class levels)
No Flaws

That said, here's the build I'm thinking of:
Human Warblade1/Martial Focused Conjurer5/Jade Phoenix Mage4/Abjurant Champion5/Jade Phoenix Mage+5
Str 15(+1)
Dex 14
Con 14
Int 16(+4)
Wis 14
Cha 8

Feats:
1: Power Attack, Exotic Weapon Proficiency(Spiked Chain) (Human)
2: Combat Reflexes(Wizard)
3: Stand Still
6: Combat Casting(Wizard), Iron Heart Aura
9: Stormguard Warrior
12: Leap Attack
15: Robilar's Gambit
18: ?

Any ideas on Maneuvers, Spells, and the feat selection? Nothing's set in stone yet, but I'm somewhat unsure on the design.
#2
Senevri
Jul 14, 2009 6:05:40 Focused Conjurer 5/Warblade 1/JPM...
better order. When to pick AbChamp depends how much you want quickening strike. You'll get better maneuvers with rest of JPM levels if you take Abchamp in between, admittedly.

Not sure if Power Attack is worth it, especially so early on. Your attack bonus won't be very good 'til mid-career. Admittedly, you can use True Strike and you can get Emerald Razor with Warblade. If it doesn't fit elsewhere, I guess it's okay there. However, if it's not a prereq, you could just Heroics for it.
#3
ElfenLied
Jul 14, 2009 10:48:26 @Senevri: Hmm, trading Skill points for higher level maneuvers? Not a bad idea, actually.

Ok, here's the rest of the info:
-Party composition: Lesser Drow Ranger/Battle Sorcerer/Abjurant Champion/Eldritch Knight, Elf Rogue/Battle Sorcerer/Unseen Seer, Wood Elf Cleric
-Banned Schools: Evocation, Enchantment, Necromancy
-Alternate class features: Abrupt Jaunt(PHB2), Martial Wizard Variant (UA)

Spells so far:
1: Benign Transposition, Mage Armor, Shield, Enlarge Person, Protection from Evil, Grease, True Strike, Expeditious Retreat(Swift), Lesser Orb of Fire
2: Alter Self, Rope Trick, Wraithstrike, Invisibility, Cloud of Knives, Mirror Image
3: Haste, Displacement, Fly, Dimension Hop, Dispel Magic
4: Black Tentacles, Dimension Door, Shadow Conjuration, Greater Mirror Image, Improved Invisibility, Orb of Force
5: Draconic Polymorph, Overland Flight, Shadow Evocation
6: True Seeing, Disintegrate, Greater Resistance
7: Greater teleport, Limited Wish, Greater Shadow Conjuration, Ethereal Jaunt, Energy Immunity, Elemental Body
8: Mind Blank, Moment of Prescience, Greater Prying Eyes, Greater Shadow Evocation
9: Time Stop, Shapechange, Shades, Foresight, Wish

Any ideas on Maneuvers and Stances? I'm thinking of starting with Punishing Stance(IH1), Steel Wind(IH1), Sudden Leap(TC1) and Moment of Perfect Mind(DM1). Other than that, I'll mostly gain Devoted Spirit and Desert Wind maneuvers, and I'm still unsure about those. The only must-haves are Flashing Sun(DW2), Thicket of Blades(DS3) and Divine Surge(DS4).
#4
ElfenLied
Jul 15, 2009 10:44:18 Bump
#5
tehlivingdeath
Jul 15, 2009 11:38:33 What do you think about transmuter in lieu of conjurer? Seems more fitting for a gish, and it's still one of the top two (and it's arguably the best at late levels). You won't have Abrupt Jaunt (which is just amazing), but being able to cast a lot of buffs is nice.
#6
dawnmor
Jul 19, 2009 22:12:58 I wouldnt do that if I were you, Elf.

If I were you, I would go with Dwarf. It opens up alot of nice choices if you play past 20.

Deepstone Sentinal? (ToB), comes to mind, 2 lvls of Deepwarden comes to mind too. Runesmith (RoS) 1 lvl dip

If you have a nice DM then I would do.....

Dwarf Crusader 1, Wizard (Focused specialist transmuter) 3, runesmith 1, JPM 10, Abj Champ 5. Grab yourself Arcane Disciple (Competition), to get Divine power.

Divine power = Max BAB
Martial focus? = BAB to CL. (YUM?)

CL in general for your spells however, the downside is you only get you 17th lvl for actual spells known. Which is fine if your after 9th lvl spells, which you are of course.

However, if you got a bastard DM like me .

I would do something like Unarmed swordsage, Sorcerer, JPM, Abj champ.

If I went this route I would play an agile race, or Kobold to give a boost to Sorcerer stuff and sorcerer is the kobolds favored race. But the trade off is up to you. Same thing is suggested, doing Arcane Disciple (Competition), toss in Vow of Poverty, that is if your DM is a bastard and screws with magic items on a regular basis just for fun.

If you go beyond lvl 20, then toss in Epic Vow of Poverty, its not a feat used in any material book, its a feat that many people on these boards have worked out on and such and has been vouched for by WoTC if I remember correctly.

Buffy fighter type which is the Dwarf, or a Agile fighter type which is a Kobold.
#7
Senevri
Jul 20, 2009 5:16:43 Naw, an elf can get to Eternal Blade, and you can get dwarf PrCs via Stoneblessed. ( I once made a build which has levels in ALL ToB classes. was mildly tricky, and quite weak. )

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 ElfenLied Jul 14, 2009 4:15:47	Hi all, I wish to build a Gish based on the aforementioned classes. Rules are: 36 PB or Champion array All 3.5 sources (except Dragon magazine) No templates (except those acquired through class levels) No Flaws That said, here's the build I'm thinking of: Human Warblade1/Martial Focused Conjurer5/Jade Phoenix Mage4/Abjurant Champion5/Jade Phoenix Mage+5 Str 15(+1) Dex 14 Con 14 Int 16(+4) Wis 14 Cha 8 Feats: 1: Power Attack, Exotic Weapon Proficiency(Spiked Chain) (Human) 2: Combat Reflexes(Wizard) 3: Stand Still 6: Combat Casting(Wizard), Iron Heart Aura 9: Stormguard Warrior 12: Leap Attack 15: Robilar's Gambit 18: ? Any ideas on Maneuvers, Spells, and the feat selection? Nothing's set in stone yet, but I'm somewhat unsure on the design.
#2 Senevri Jul 14, 2009 6:05:40	Focused Conjurer 5/Warblade 1/JPM... better order. When to pick AbChamp depends how much you want quickening strike. You'll get better maneuvers with rest of JPM levels if you take Abchamp in between, admittedly. Not sure if Power Attack is worth it, especially so early on. Your attack bonus won't be very good 'til mid-career. Admittedly, you can use True Strike and you can get Emerald Razor with Warblade. If it doesn't fit elsewhere, I guess it's okay there. However, if it's not a prereq, you could just Heroics for it.
#3 ElfenLied Jul 14, 2009 10:48:26	@Senevri: Hmm, trading Skill points for higher level maneuvers? Not a bad idea, actually. Ok, here's the rest of the info: -Party composition: Lesser Drow Ranger/Battle Sorcerer/Abjurant Champion/Eldritch Knight, Elf Rogue/Battle Sorcerer/Unseen Seer, Wood Elf Cleric -Banned Schools: Evocation, Enchantment, Necromancy -Alternate class features: Abrupt Jaunt(PHB2), Martial Wizard Variant (UA) Spells so far: 1: Benign Transposition, Mage Armor, Shield, Enlarge Person, Protection from Evil, Grease, True Strike, Expeditious Retreat(Swift), Lesser Orb of Fire 2: Alter Self, Rope Trick, Wraithstrike, Invisibility, Cloud of Knives, Mirror Image 3: Haste, Displacement, Fly, Dimension Hop, Dispel Magic 4: Black Tentacles, Dimension Door, Shadow Conjuration, Greater Mirror Image, Improved Invisibility, Orb of Force 5: Draconic Polymorph, Overland Flight, Shadow Evocation 6: True Seeing, Disintegrate, Greater Resistance 7: Greater teleport, Limited Wish, Greater Shadow Conjuration, Ethereal Jaunt, Energy Immunity, Elemental Body 8: Mind Blank, Moment of Prescience, Greater Prying Eyes, Greater Shadow Evocation 9: Time Stop, Shapechange, Shades, Foresight, Wish Any ideas on Maneuvers and Stances? I'm thinking of starting with Punishing Stance(IH1), Steel Wind(IH1), Sudden Leap(TC1) and Moment of Perfect Mind(DM1). Other than that, I'll mostly gain Devoted Spirit and Desert Wind maneuvers, and I'm still unsure about those. The only must-haves are Flashing Sun(DW2), Thicket of Blades(DS3) and Divine Surge(DS4).
#4 ElfenLied Jul 15, 2009 10:44:18	Bump
#5 tehlivingdeath Jul 15, 2009 11:38:33	What do you think about transmuter in lieu of conjurer? Seems more fitting for a gish, and it's still one of the top two (and it's arguably the best at late levels). You won't have Abrupt Jaunt (which is just amazing), but being able to cast a lot of buffs is nice.
#6 dawnmor Jul 19, 2009 22:12:58	I wouldnt do that if I were you, Elf. If I were you, I would go with Dwarf. It opens up alot of nice choices if you play past 20. Deepstone Sentinal? (ToB), comes to mind, 2 lvls of Deepwarden comes to mind too. Runesmith (RoS) 1 lvl dip If you have a nice DM then I would do..... Dwarf Crusader 1, Wizard (Focused specialist transmuter) 3, runesmith 1, JPM 10, Abj Champ 5. Grab yourself Arcane Disciple (Competition), to get Divine power. Divine power = Max BAB Martial focus? = BAB to CL. (YUM?) CL in general for your spells however, the downside is you only get you 17th lvl for actual spells known. Which is fine if your after 9th lvl spells, which you are of course. However, if you got a bastard DM like me . I would do something like Unarmed swordsage, Sorcerer, JPM, Abj champ. If I went this route I would play an agile race, or Kobold to give a boost to Sorcerer stuff and sorcerer is the kobolds favored race. But the trade off is up to you. Same thing is suggested, doing Arcane Disciple (Competition), toss in Vow of Poverty, that is if your DM is a bastard and screws with magic items on a regular basis just for fun. If you go beyond lvl 20, then toss in Epic Vow of Poverty, its not a feat used in any material book, its a feat that many people on these boards have worked out on and such and has been vouched for by WoTC if I remember correctly. Buffy fighter type which is the Dwarf, or a Agile fighter type which is a Kobold.
#7 Senevri Jul 20, 2009 5:16:43	Naw, an elf can get to Eternal Blade, and you can get dwarf PrCs via Stoneblessed. ( I once made a build which has levels in ALL ToB classes. was mildly tricky, and quite weak. )