This is an optimization competition. The goal is simple: who can kill the most kobolds in one round, using a ECL 20 build
competition info
Books you can use: Any wotc splat books
Important facts:
This copetition assumes that an infinite amount of kobolds exist at an infinitely big place. Also, 'how many kobolds you can kill', should be written as, 'how many attacks you can make a round' or something. Basically, this means that whenever you kill a kobold, a new one spring up where the old one was.
Also, the kobolds are immune to anything but melee attacks (otherwise some awesome spell area attack would simply win it pretty easily)
beaten Champion
the current champion is:
EDit:he was beten big time, see some of the posts below
Mok the ultimate area attacker
half ogre
And why no spells? Blowing stuff up and FAR more satisfying then stomping them one by one.
Just get into 3rd level of Kight's protector.
Inhuman reach. Large Size. And just keep cleving through them... 5ft move cleave, 5ft move cleave, You only stop cleving when you miss on a natural one. Then you get you're next attack and keep on going... So Fighter 4 / X 1 / KP 3 / X +12. So pick something with allot a high number of attacks for those lost 13 levels, and it becomes more of a precentage of IF you'll STOP attack as compared to how many you can kill.
Or
Binder 4 / Cleric 5
1- Improved Binding
3-Extend Spell
6-Presisent Spell
9-DMM (Presist)
-Bind Paimon
-Cast Presistented Foots steps of the Divine
-Shorten Duration on Footsteps all the way (So you have 144000 movement) - As per chuck.
-Activate Paimon
-Weapon of Choice... Your Um ... Boot. Sure why not.
Dead Kobolds: 144006 x Rows of kobolds you can reach.
If you have Inhuman reach and Divine Power (Or enlarge) up: 720,030 Kobolds who have been booted in the head and killed.
What's the point of this really? If you're looking for something actaully useable. The Surreal dex has a few builds like the "Machine Gun Rogue." Go check it out.
-Monkey Grip doesn't increase your reach.
-Battle Jump takes more than just a move action.
There are probably other issues, but that's as far as I've gotten so far.
Or, if that's too cheesey, let him take 3 levels of Binder and Improved Binding to attack everyone via Dance of Death.
Their ability would proc many cleaves, true, but those cleaves would proc less than 1 cleave each (.95 due to missing on a 1), so the total number would converge to something finite.
Basically, this means that whenever you kill a kobold, a new one spring up where the old one was.
Wait... So If I just shoot one or two a Acid Fountain Arrows into the same square in the crowd I semi-instantly kill a infinity amount of kobolds and could be a commoner... and done without loops, spells... or even a build.
unless your an angry shoeless god of war
unless your an angry shoeless god of war
BloodStorm blade wouldn't work.
Their ability would proc many cleaves, true, but those cleaves would proc less than 1 cleave each (.95 due to missing on a 1), so the total number would converge to something finite.
well with (my math might be wrong here) 18636 squares that you are attacking, 95% of those provoking additional hits (17704.2), then another 16818 cleaves, etc etc, however every time a Kobold dies, another one appears, and is therefore within your reach, giving another attack from BBs ability. So you are actually multiplying you attacks by 190%. After the first 18363 attacks, you get 35408 "more" attacks. Essentially, you will kill more and more kobolds until you eventually kill yourself, unless you make sure you deal damage equal to a kobold's life, and give yourself damage reduction that number (through barbarian, feats, and items). Also, with eye of the storm, anytime you make a ranged attack, 8 kobolds that are around you make melee attacks at you, giving you yet another free melee attack on each of them, so every attack you make is actually multiplied by another 8*95%, so 760%. In essence, the way it would go is for every attack you make, you're gaining an average of 9.5 more attacks, those extra 760% attacks would slowly lower as you fail to kill the kobolds directly around you, however you get two 95% chances to kill each of them, plus all of those cleaves that pile up, so in essence, you should be doing around 9.5 times infinity attacks :D
Of course 9.5 infinities doesn't make sense, but you get my drift
Now, what you want. Ogre. Psychic Warrior. Spiked Chain. Whirlwind Attack. Unnatural Reach. Willing Deformity (Tall). For your powers, you want Expansion and Reach (from Mind's Eye.
If you grow from large to gargantuan, normal reach becomes 20'. Double makes 40'. Unnatural Reach, Willing Deformity, and Reach each add 5', making 55'. You take up a 20' square, so you pretty much wipe out 95% of all kobolds within a 65' radius with each whirlwind.
Don't go the Great Cleave route. One natural 1 breaks the chain. Whirlwind Attack, though more feat-heavy, attacks all of them. That means 95% of them are dead.
A natural 1 breaks the chain, yes, but a natural 19 or 20 starts a whole new chain thanks to lightning mace. Now, what's more likely...rolling a 1 or rolling a 19 or a 20? Pew pew pew pew pew pew!
math
Well first off the cleaves are just melee attacks, so they won't provoke any attacks of opportunity. While you do get a huge number of initial attacks, they provoke fewer and fewer cleaves until you run out.
My way you get more and more and more cleaves.
EDIT: Also, you only need to be 6th level to do it my way.
A natural 1 breaks the chain, yes, but a natural 19 or 20 starts a whole new chain thanks to lightning mace. Now, what's more likely...rolling a 1 or rolling a 19 or a 20? Pew pew pew pew pew pew!
I'm not sure I like those odds. A 1/3 chance of the chain sputtering out on its own, or an almost guaranteed 95% kill. I think I'd go with the safer one. 95% every time probably averages out ahead in the end.
granted its not lvel 6, but why would I stick to level 6? Also, a normal hit gives 2 new attacks, not just a crit. This build can use lightning mace too, which would increase it even more
Also, if you only provoke from guys next to you, then you're still racking up 8 AoOs every time you attack. I mean, AoO limits per turn will start to hurt, but w/e.
Anyway, if the kobolds pop up exactly where one just died, so many things mean infinite kills...Heck, maximized Flaming Sphere would do wonders.
But still, since the challenge is so easy I like the approach of using simplest character, and Fighter6 is nice.
And the thing with AoOs racking up, you kill all the kobolds around you from their AoOs on you (Bloodstorm's ability says a free attack on them that isn't called an AoO [actually states that and says it doesn't count against them per turn]), meaning you kill all Kobolds, and cleave 8 times because of it, each cleave gets another AoO from a new kobold that just popped up, etc etc etc
EDIT: do I win?
however you're forgetting the other 8 attacks I get for free too, because I'm also using a ranged 'whirlwind' like ability, so when they come into existance, they all get targetted by it, targeted by my free "AoO" that isn't an AoO, and cleave.......and lightning mace, thanks to you :PEDIT: Nvm, reread the OP... no Apocalypse from the Sky for me...
With infinite kobolds...
...one of them has to be punpun....
I think a Chuck-like build where you turn into an Elephant, and stomp them all using Trample and Persistent Footsteps of the Divine would be more satisfying than the other stuff here. :D
You're kicking them. I think it would be more fun to turn into an elephant and use the trample attack to just step on them as you run around. Minor difference, I admit. :P You basically won the thread in one post.
You're kicking them. I think it would be more fun to turn into an elephant and use the trample attack to just step on them as you run around. Minor difference, I admit. :P You basically won the thread in one post.
You don't like the Boot-to-the-head? =P
I just a a dramatic revelation.
With infinite kobolds...
...one of them has to be punpun....
You have an important, if painful, point.
Human Fighter 4/Psychic Warrior 2.
1: Improved Unarmed, Power Attack, Roundabout Kick.
2: WF: Light Mace.
3: Two-Weapon Fighting, Cleave
4: Combat Reflexes
5: Dead level
6: Great cleave, Lightning Mace.
7-20: Does it matter?
+1 Aptitude Keen kukris will set you back 36kgp. Now, my math is off the cuff and I'm AFB, but I'm pretty sure it goes something like this:
5%: Miss entirely. Move on to your next chain of attacks.
65%: Hit. Kill a Kobold. Great Cleave procs. Continue on this chain.
25%: Crit threat. A new chain is ready when this one ends.
18.75%: Crit confirmed. Make that two chains.
Statistically, that's something like six new attack chains for every one that breaks. Continue rolling until you get bored. Write a quick script to roll for you. Continue until you overflow your killcount buffer.
Besides, as mentioned by others, the 1s aren't even a problem if you don't want them to be. Although that involves level > 6 worth of WBL, probably.
C code
#include
#include
#include
int main(void){
long int attacks=5, roll, kills=0;
srand ( time(NULL) );
while(attacks!=0){
roll=(int) ( rand() / ( (double)(RAND_MAX)+1) *20)+1;
if(roll>18) attacks++;
if(roll==1) attacks--;
else kills++;
//printf("%ld %ld\n", roll, attacks);
if(kills%1000000==0) printf("%ld\n", kills);
}
printf("%ld\n", kills);
while(1);
return(0);
}
#include
#include
int main(void){
long int attacks=5, roll, kills=0;
srand ( time(NULL) );
while(attacks!=0){
roll=(int) ( rand() / ( (double)(RAND_MAX)+1) *20)+1;
if(roll>18) attacks++;
if(roll==1) attacks--;
else kills++;
//printf("%ld %ld\n", roll, attacks);
if(kills%1000000==0) printf("%ld\n", kills);
}
printf("%ld\n", kills);
while(1);
return(0);
}
Not even once actually; Activating Thunderous Throw in order to treat your ranged attacks as melee attacks and be able to use cleave also takes a swift action.
(If I'm blurting out gibberish and this doesn't matter, my apologies. I sort of read through this thread in a pretty erratic order.)
be able to use cleave also takes a swift action.
Uhh... unless this is from some specific ToB ability, cleaving takes no action, and great cleave explicitly says there is no limit to the number of times you can cleave in a round using it.
Uhh... unless this is from some specific ToB ability, cleaving takes no action, and great cleave explicitly says there is no limit to the number of times you can cleave in a round using it.
Sorry, my wording wasn't very clear. The swift action refers to activating the Thunderous Throw ability:
Not even once actually; Activating Thunderous Throw, in order to treat your ranged attacks as melee attacks and be able to use cleave, also takes a swift action.
And those "special" attacks of opportunity also take a swift action.
EDIT: woops. I see that this goes against the flavor of this thread. My bad.