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LA for Vampire lord

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#1
vladthelad
Mar 29, 2008 8:14:42 So what do you think shoul be the LA for a vampire lord, that can't create spawn.

A player in my party wants to be one, but because create spawn is a very powerful ability and the vampire LA is huge, he is thinking of dumping it to make the template more pc friendly.

On the same matter what do you think a normal vampires LA should be?

Also any good classes for a vampire? I am thinking sorcerer/lord of the dead prestige and maybe hexblade.

Oh and any neat uses of Vampire lords abilities (maybe combined with the some from the other classes) are appreciated.
#2
farodin
Mar 29, 2008 9:44:47 The lvl adjustment of Vampire + Vampire Lord together is good around 8. 8 for Vampire alone is far too much, even with the create spawn ability.

Maybe something like this:

Paladin of Tyranny 2/Hexblade 3/Master of the Unseen Hand 5/Paladin of Tyranny +1/Hexblade +1

Lots of telekinetic fun, cha to saves twice against spells, mettle, Aura of Despair + Dark Companion (PHB II) for a -4 to enemy saves and more...

Edit: Phoenix00 pointed out you can only become a Vampire Lord if you already have 10 hd, which means you can't take a lot of levels in Master of the Unseen Hand. It would've been really nice because you just don't have the hitpoints for melee, and can't become a good caster with that kind of lvl adj. (And Telekinesis is really really cool.)
#3
phoenix00
Mar 29, 2008 10:55:00 There is no LA for Vampire Lord.

Considering though for Vampire Lord that you need 10 levels in a class, +8 levels for Vampire Lord, that means your character is ECL 18 prior to being a vampire lord, with classes with 9th level spells and 9th level maneuvers easily by level 18, I say a DM should give vampire lord for free.

Sure you got Spawn (could have been simulated earlier with create bone /corpse creature and rebuke) and a Domination ability (9th level spell). You have good physical stats but no hitpoints due to lack of a con and only 10 HD, thus physical is a no no, even though you can drain 3 levels with an attack. Your mental stats are nice, but other people are throwing out higher save dcs due to the higher level spells.

You got damage reduction, fast healing, perfect flying,and wild shape. Nice defensives, but they won't save your ass, they are just nice minor defensive buffs at level 18.

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So in sum I can make a character that plays the same as a necropolitan cleric with the spontaneous Charm, Passion, or Tyrant domain, and some undead creation. This cleric is much stronger than me at level 18 than I am.

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Thus the LA for a vampire lord should be a 0, the DM should just give it to the player for taking the huge LA for a vampire in the first place.
#4
lord_psynister
Mar 30, 2008 0:07:25 I've been looking for info on the Vampire Lord for 3 hours. Can somebody tell me which book it's in so I can stop going through these three bookshelves to find it?
#5
zopzop
Mar 30, 2008 0:13:44 Hereyou go
#6
vladthelad
Mar 30, 2008 9:30:50 Thanks guys, so the LA for a vamp lord who can't create spawn is around 8 maybe 10 tops.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 vladthelad Mar 29, 2008 8:14:42	So what do you think shoul be the LA for a vampire lord, that can't create spawn. A player in my party wants to be one, but because create spawn is a very powerful ability and the vampire LA is huge, he is thinking of dumping it to make the template more pc friendly. On the same matter what do you think a normal vampires LA should be? Also any good classes for a vampire? I am thinking sorcerer/lord of the dead prestige and maybe hexblade. Oh and any neat uses of Vampire lords abilities (maybe combined with the some from the other classes) are appreciated.
#2 farodin Mar 29, 2008 9:44:47	The lvl adjustment of Vampire + Vampire Lord together is good around 8. 8 for Vampire alone is far too much, even with the create spawn ability. Maybe something like this: Paladin of Tyranny 2/Hexblade 3/Master of the Unseen Hand 5/Paladin of Tyranny +1/Hexblade +1 Lots of telekinetic fun, cha to saves twice against spells, mettle, Aura of Despair + Dark Companion (PHB II) for a -4 to enemy saves and more... Edit: Phoenix00 pointed out you can only become a Vampire Lord if you already have 10 hd, which means you can't take a lot of levels in Master of the Unseen Hand. It would've been really nice because you just don't have the hitpoints for melee, and can't become a good caster with that kind of lvl adj. (And Telekinesis is really really cool.)
#3 phoenix00 Mar 29, 2008 10:55:00	There is no LA for Vampire Lord. Considering though for Vampire Lord that you need 10 levels in a class, +8 levels for Vampire Lord, that means your character is ECL 18 prior to being a vampire lord, with classes with 9th level spells and 9th level maneuvers easily by level 18, I say a DM should give vampire lord for free. Sure you got Spawn (could have been simulated earlier with create bone /corpse creature and rebuke) and a Domination ability (9th level spell). You have good physical stats but no hitpoints due to lack of a con and only 10 HD, thus physical is a no no, even though you can drain 3 levels with an attack. Your mental stats are nice, but other people are throwing out higher save dcs due to the higher level spells. You got damage reduction, fast healing, perfect flying,and wild shape. Nice defensives, but they won't save your ass, they are just nice minor defensive buffs at level 18. --- So in sum I can make a character that plays the same as a necropolitan cleric with the spontaneous Charm, Passion, or Tyrant domain, and some undead creation. This cleric is much stronger than me at level 18 than I am. --- Thus the LA for a vampire lord should be a 0, the DM should just give it to the player for taking the huge LA for a vampire in the first place.
#4 lord_psynister Mar 30, 2008 0:07:25	I've been looking for info on the Vampire Lord for 3 hours. Can somebody tell me which book it's in so I can stop going through these three bookshelves to find it?
#5 zopzop Mar 30, 2008 0:13:44	Hereyou go
#6 vladthelad Mar 30, 2008 9:30:50	Thanks guys, so the LA for a vamp lord who can't create spawn is around 8 maybe 10 tops.