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#1 arogenith Mar 06, 2009 22:18:51	I'm looking to start a new character, most likely tank, but want to leave the option open for a divine gish. The biggest thing I'm concerned with is the fact that I want to make a large character. La buyoff will be allowed, so basically what I'm wondering is, what are the best large races to go for. If I go tank, I'll most likely wind up using War Hulk, and possibly combine it with Frenzied Berserker or something interesting like that, Barbarian + Bear Warrior would be cool too, maxing out large hits. But yes, even just a link would help, thanks very much all
#2 yteh_ek_pfff Mar 07, 2009 0:48:06	with LA buyoff a Half minotaur Goliath (particularly if you can nab strong arm bracer's)with levels in psychic warrior (expansion{that works on non-humanoids right?})
#3 chibishuffle Mar 07, 2009 9:22:34	half ogre found in races of destiny +2 LA is large.....
#4 sofawall Mar 07, 2009 10:32:59	with LA buyoff a Half minotaur Goliath (particularly if you can nab strong arm bracer's)with levels in psychic warrior (expansion{that works on non-humanoids right?}) I don't know but I've been told, Strong Arm Bracers don't stack with Powerful Build!
#5 arogenith Mar 07, 2009 12:25:34	So basically the only large races that the entire CO board could come up with is as follows: half minotaur goliath half ogre well thank you fellows, I think I might look into that half ogre, or just permanent enlarge person. For some reason though, I'm a little underimpressed with the responses. We need a races handbook
#6 sofawall Mar 07, 2009 12:48:09	There are plenty of large races, we just decided not to tell you the bad ones. If someone asks for a good martial class, we don't tell them Fighter, so when someone asks for a large race, we don't tell them the crap.
#7 CantripN Mar 07, 2009 13:40:36	Incarnate Construct Maug isn't bad, either. Possibly a Primordial Giant Incarnate Construct Maug, or even a plain Maug. All 3 are better options than what you were offered - I'd go for the 2nd. Sources: Maug - Fiend Folio Incarnate Construct - Savage Species Primordial Giant - Secrets of Xendrick
#8 bontakun Mar 08, 2009 6:19:54	where can I find stats for Half minotaur Goliath?
#9 ozgun Mar 08, 2009 8:26:02	On your sheet when you combine Half-Minatour with Goliath.
#10 destined_infamy Mar 08, 2009 11:31:27	I think what he means is there any online resource, or if not, what books would you use to make such a template
#11 thehumandynamo Mar 08, 2009 11:48:15	Honestly, for a tank (especially if you want to use warhulk), go something like Half-Minotaur Goliath (makes you size large, but count as Huge for things like what size weapon you can wield, opposed rolls like trip, bull rush, disarm, and damage from unarmed strikes like monk attacks) Fighter 6 (using the Dungeoncrasher Variant from Dungeonscape)/Barbarian1/Frenzied Berserker10/War Hulk 3. Assuming you start with a minimum of 16 in strength before racial mods, you would have the following at your first class level: 16 (base) + 4 (goliath) + 4 (half-minotaur) + 8 (size increase from medium to large, half-minotaur specifically says you gain the size increases if you change sizes) = 32 str to start off. Add in three levels of war hulk (38 str), +6 str item (44 str), +4 tome (48 str) and an item of permanent enlarge person (50 str and size huge, considered gargantuan for same stuff as above; or if you can swing it, a permanent item of augmented expansion making you gargantuan but considered colossal and giving you a 52 str) and you are looking at silly damage. Dungeoncrasher bull rush = 8d6 + (3 x 20) for 68 - 108 on a bull rush (or 8d6 + [3 x 21 if colossal ] for 71 - 111), before raging. Power Attack with Frenzied berserker (wielding a colossal weapon) and you can subtract 16 to get +64 damage, so do something like 8d6 (colossal greatsword) + 85 (64 from power attack + 21 str mod from being gargantuan) per attack. Range on that is 91 - 133.
#12 thehumandynamo Mar 08, 2009 11:49:00	I think what he means is there any online resource, or if not, what books would you use to make such a template Goliath is in Races of Stone, Half-Minotaur was from Dragon but can be found on Crystalkeep.com under the template section. Total for both is a +2 LA when combined.
#13 werebat Mar 08, 2009 20:12:51	Goliath is in Races of Stone, Half-Minotaur was from Dragon but can be found on Crystalkeep.com under the template section. Total for both is a +2 LA when combined. Not exactly a large creature, but shifters can easily become large with the use of shifter braids, every time they shift, and shifters make good barbarians. After mid level the cost is trivial. You just won't be large ALL THE TIME. - Ron ^*^
#14 carnivore Mar 09, 2009 4:22:13	actually Centaurs make great Tanks.... here is a Core Only Tank example: Show Walk Softly, and carry a Big Bow, and even bigger Halberd... :P Primary Melee, Secondary Ranged, Primary Scout Monster build Centaur 6/ Fighter 4/ Ranger 3/ Horizon Walker 7 BAB+18 Attributes (25pt buy) 32 Str(14 +8 Racial +4 lvls +6 Belt) 21 Dex(11 +4 Racial +6 Gloves) 24 Con(14 +4 Racial +6 Amulet) 13 Int(15 -2 Racial) 11 Wis(9 +2 Racial) 8 Cha(8) Feats: Track(ranger bonus) Rapid Shot(ranger bonus) Endurance(ranger bonus) Combat Expertise(Fighter bonus) Weapon Focus(Composite Longbow) (Fighter bonus) Weapon Specialize(Composite Longbow)(Fighter bonus) Combat Expertise(monstrous humanoid bonus) Improved Trip(monstrous humanoid bonus) 1st lvl: Power Attack 3rd lvl: Run 6th lvl: Improved Bull Rush 9th lvl: Quickdraw 12th lvl: Quicken Spell-Like Ability(Dimension Door) Centaur racial traits CENTAURS AS CHARACTERS A centaur druid is usually a tribe’s designated leader and speaker. Centaur characters possess the following racial traits. +8 Strength, +4 Dexterity, +4 Constitution, –2 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom. Large size. –1 penalty to Armor Class, –1 penalty on attack rolls, –4 penalty on Hide checks, +4 bonus on grapple checks, lifting and carrying limits double those of Medium characters. Space/Reach: 10 feet/5 feet. A centaur’s base land speed is 50 feet. Darkvision out to 60 feet. Racial Hit Dice: A centaur begins with four levels of monstrous humanoid, which provide 4d8 Hit Dice, a base attack bonus of +4, and base saving throw bonuses of Fort +1, Ref +4, and Will +4. Racial Skills: A centaur’s monstrous humanoid levels give it skill points equal to 7 x (2 + Int modifier). Its class skills are Listen, Move Silently, Spot, and Survival. Racial Feats: A centaur’s monstrous humanoid levels give it two feats. +3 natural armor bonus. Automatic Languages: Sylvan, Elven. Bonus Languages: Common, Gnome, Halfling. Favored Class: Ranger. Level adjustment +2.

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arogenith

Mar 06, 2009 22:18:51

I'm looking to start a new character, most likely tank, but want to leave the option open for a divine gish. The biggest thing I'm concerned with is the fact that I want to make a large character. La buyoff will be allowed, so basically what I'm wondering is, what are the best large races to go for. If I go tank, I'll most likely wind up using War Hulk, and possibly combine it with Frenzied Berserker or something interesting like that, Barbarian + Bear Warrior would be cool too, maxing out large hits. But yes, even just a link would help, thanks very much all

yteh_ek_pfff

Mar 07, 2009 0:48:06

with LA buyoff a Half minotaur Goliath (particularly if you can nab strong arm bracer's)with levels in psychic warrior (expansion{that works on non-humanoids right?})

chibishuffle

Mar 07, 2009 9:22:34

half ogre found in races of destiny +2 LA is large.....

sofawall

Mar 07, 2009 10:32:59

with LA buyoff a Half minotaur Goliath (particularly if you can nab strong arm bracer's)with levels in psychic warrior (expansion{that works on non-humanoids right?})

I don't know but I've been told, Strong Arm Bracers don't stack with Powerful Build!

arogenith

Mar 07, 2009 12:25:34

So basically the only large races that the entire CO board could come up with is as follows:
half minotaur goliath
half ogre

well thank you fellows, I think I might look into that half ogre, or just permanent enlarge person. For some reason though, I'm a little underimpressed with the responses. We need a races handbook

sofawall

Mar 07, 2009 12:48:09

There are plenty of large races, we just decided not to tell you the bad ones. If someone asks for a good martial class, we don't tell them Fighter, so when someone asks for a large race, we don't tell them the crap.

CantripN

Mar 07, 2009 13:40:36

Incarnate Construct Maug isn't bad, either. Possibly a Primordial Giant Incarnate Construct Maug, or even a plain Maug. All 3 are better options than what you were offered - I'd go for the 2nd.

Sources:
Maug - Fiend Folio
Incarnate Construct - Savage Species
Primordial Giant - Secrets of Xendrick

bontakun

Mar 08, 2009 6:19:54

where can I find stats for Half minotaur Goliath?

ozgun

Mar 08, 2009 8:26:02

On your sheet when you combine Half-Minatour with Goliath.

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destined_infamy

Mar 08, 2009 11:31:27

I think what he means is there any online resource, or if not, what books would you use to make such a template

#11

thehumandynamo

Mar 08, 2009 11:48:15

Honestly, for a tank (especially if you want to use warhulk), go something like Half-Minotaur Goliath (makes you size large, but count as Huge for things like what size weapon you can wield, opposed rolls like trip, bull rush, disarm, and damage from unarmed strikes like monk attacks) Fighter 6 (using the Dungeoncrasher Variant from Dungeonscape)/Barbarian1/Frenzied Berserker10/War Hulk 3.

Assuming you start with a minimum of 16 in strength before racial mods, you would have the following at your first class level:
16 (base) + 4 (goliath) + 4 (half-minotaur) + 8 (size increase from medium to large, half-minotaur specifically says you gain the size increases if you change sizes) = 32 str to start off.

Add in three levels of war hulk (38 str), +6 str item (44 str), +4 tome (48 str) and an item of permanent enlarge person (50 str and size huge, considered gargantuan for same stuff as above; or if you can swing it, a permanent item of augmented expansion making you gargantuan but considered colossal and giving you a 52 str) and you are looking at silly damage.
Dungeoncrasher bull rush = 8d6 + (3 x 20) for 68 - 108 on a bull rush (or 8d6 + [3 x 21 if colossal ] for 71 - 111), before raging.
Power Attack with Frenzied berserker (wielding a colossal weapon) and you can subtract 16 to get +64 damage, so do something like 8d6 (colossal greatsword) + 85 (64 from power attack + 21 str mod from being gargantuan) per attack. Range on that is 91 - 133.

#12

thehumandynamo

Mar 08, 2009 11:49:00

I think what he means is there any online resource, or if not, what books would you use to make such a template

Goliath is in Races of Stone, Half-Minotaur was from Dragon but can be found on Crystalkeep.com under the template section. Total for both is a +2 LA when combined.

#13

werebat

Mar 08, 2009 20:12:51

Goliath is in Races of Stone, Half-Minotaur was from Dragon but can be found on Crystalkeep.com under the template section. Total for both is a +2 LA when combined.

Not exactly a large creature, but shifters can easily become large with the use of shifter braids, every time they shift, and shifters make good barbarians. After mid level the cost is trivial. You just won't be large ALL THE TIME.

- Ron ^*^

#14

carnivore

Mar 09, 2009 4:22:13

actually Centaurs make great Tanks.... here is a Core Only Tank example:

Show

Walk Softly, and carry a Big Bow, and even bigger Halberd... :P

Primary Melee, Secondary Ranged, Primary Scout
Monster build
Centaur 6/ Fighter 4/ Ranger 3/ Horizon Walker 7

BAB+18

Attributes (25pt buy)

32 Str(14 +8 Racial +4 lvls +6 Belt)
21 Dex(11 +4 Racial +6 Gloves)
24 Con(14 +4 Racial +6 Amulet)
13 Int(15 -2 Racial)
11 Wis(9 +2 Racial)
8 Cha(8)

Feats:
Track(ranger bonus)
Rapid Shot(ranger bonus)
Endurance(ranger bonus)
Combat Expertise(Fighter bonus)
Weapon Focus(Composite Longbow) (Fighter bonus)
Weapon Specialize(Composite Longbow)(Fighter bonus)
Combat Expertise(monstrous humanoid bonus)
Improved Trip(monstrous humanoid bonus)

1st lvl: Power Attack
3rd lvl: Run
6th lvl: Improved Bull Rush
9th lvl: Quickdraw
12th lvl: Quicken Spell-Like Ability(Dimension Door)

Centaur racial traits

CENTAURS AS CHARACTERS
A centaur druid is usually a tribe’s designated leader and speaker. Centaur characters possess the following racial traits.
+8 Strength, +4 Dexterity, +4 Constitution, –2 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom.
Large size. –1 penalty to Armor Class, –1 penalty on attack rolls, –4 penalty on Hide checks, +4 bonus on grapple checks, lifting and carrying limits double those of Medium characters.
Space/Reach: 10 feet/5 feet.
A centaur’s base land speed is 50 feet.
Darkvision out to 60 feet.
Racial Hit Dice: A centaur begins with four levels of monstrous humanoid, which provide 4d8 Hit Dice, a base attack bonus of +4, and base saving throw bonuses of Fort +1, Ref +4, and Will +4.
Racial Skills: A centaur’s monstrous humanoid levels give it skill points equal to 7 x (2 + Int modifier). Its class skills are Listen, Move Silently, Spot, and Survival.
Racial Feats: A centaur’s monstrous humanoid levels give it two feats.
+3 natural armor bonus.
Automatic Languages: Sylvan, Elven. Bonus Languages: Common, Gnome, Halfling.
Favored Class: Ranger.
Level adjustment +2.