Kukris or Scimitars are probably best weapons to use for crits. I think there was a weapon in 3.0 that had a 17-20 threat range, though I can't say for sure.
Somewhat related (gives your weapon x4 crit multiplier): http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031014a
Kukris or Scimitars are probably best weapons to use for crits. I think there was a weapon in 3.0 that had a 17-20 threat range, though I can't say for sure.
Stump Knives had 17-20 crit range if you had already damaged the target in the same round. Stump Knife + Imp Crit + Disciple of Dispater + Psionic Weapons Master is probably going to be around the best you can get, though I wouldn't hedge my bets that someone else knows a better way.
You may be able to improve that if you're allowed to use the Weapons Master class from Sword and Fist.
iirc, the kukri in 3.0 had a 17-20
That's probably it, since I remember wanting the kukri really bad back then. 9-20/x2... do you really need more than that? I'd prefer doing something like 12-20/x4 and using Kaorti steel to get that x4 instead of getting an additional 3 on the threat range. Of course if you can get 9-20/x4, that's even better.
Problem is it is EXTREMELY feat heavy to get into and the crit threat boost is not until level 6-7.
That's probably it, since I remember wanting the kukri really bad back then. 9-20/x2... do you really need more than that? I'd prefer doing something like 12-20/x4 and using Kaorti steel to get that x4 instead of getting an additional 3 on the threat range. Of course if you can get 9-20/x4, that's even better.
Kaorti weapons aren't metal, so no DoD with them!
I believe the general record is 9-20.
How exactly does one get a 9-20 critical threat range? that's rediculous! What exactly does a character need to possess to have that kind of range?
How exactly does one get a 9-20 critical threat range? that's rediculous! What exactly does a character need to possess to have that kind of range?
Start with a 17-20, and double it twice via classes or feats. I don't think there are any weapons that have a 17-20 anymore, though.
How exactly does one get a 9-20 critical threat range? that's rediculous! What exactly does a character need to possess to have that kind of range?
Disciple of Dispater 8 + Improved Critical (Scimitar) + Iron or Steel Scimitar
Alternatively substitute Scimitar for an 18-20 critical weapon of your choice.
Disciple of Dispater 8 + Improved Critical (Scimitar) + Iron or Steel Scimitar
Alternatively substitute Scimitar for an 18-20 critical weapon of your choice.
That only gets you to 12-20.
That only gets you to 12-20.
As does Kensai(Weapon Master) 7 with any weapon.
That only gets you to 12-20.
Scimitar gives 18-20
MoD 8 gives 12-20
Improved Critical gives 9-20
x3 from MoD stacks with x2 from Improved crit for x4 range. Aka 9-20
Scimitar gives 18-20
MoD 8 gives 12-20
Improved Critical gives 9-20
x3 from MoD stacks with x2 from Improved crit for x4 range. Aka 9-20
Does Disciple of Dispater have two increases? I forgot.
There also was the Bladed Gauntlet in 3.0 Sword and Fist that had a threat range of 17-20, but it was errata'ed to 19-20 (not for it being a mistake in the first place, but to nerf it).
Yeah, before that happened I had a villain Dwarf fighter that dual weilded them. He took on the whole party himself. Lost, but it was a tough fight.
Kaorti Jovar = 18-20/x4
Disciple of Dispater 8 with Improved Crit gives 9-20/x4
Mythic Exemplar 2 gives another 1 to crit range = 8-20/x4
(I think?) Brilliant Weapon enchantment makes attacks vs touch AC
Blessed/Holy (not sure which - any help guys) Weapon auto confirms crits..
All this equals a whole world of pain for those able to be hit by crits
Enjoy
All this equals a whole world of pain for those able to be hit by crits
Truedeath and Demolition Crystal from MIC would be nice. Fortification armor is boooooo
kaorti weapons dont work with DoD, because they are made of resin, not iron
Ahh.. Very true. :D There may be something else out there that will enlarge the multiplier.
The build above can be obtained by level 17 (maybe 16)
. I can't be sure because I'm away from any books.Other than what I've posted, the Weapons Master from Oriental Adventures may help but I don't know what level we are building this to..
Mercurial weapons (Sword & Fist) have a x4 crit last I saw.
3.0 Mercurial Weapons were updated from S&F in A&EG to 20x4 crit weapons, so the crit range is negligible.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040827d
Dual-wielding Speed Scimitars will get you 9 attacks per round, with an average of 5.4 threats each round.
This means that each round of combat, you get an average of +5.4 to attacks and damage, stacking until the end of the combat. After 5 rounds of attacking in melee, thats a +27 to your attack and damage.
The only problem is that there's a good chance the enemy's AC will be so high that a threat is not enough to hit them.
Now that I think about it psychic warrior 5/ psychic weapon master 7/disciple of discipater 8 works well. Both prestige classes get their crit ability at level 7 repectively 8 wich makes this a nice round build for level 20 (and playable too from up to level 1)
See below..
Psionic Weapons Master doesn't work with Disciple of Dispater. DoD only works wih iron weapons and PWM only works with crystal weapons. Ibelieve the general record is 9-20.
You may be able to improve that if you're allowed to use the Weapons Master class from Sword and Fist.
The best way to exploit a high threat range, imo, is Blood in the Water stance from Tome of Battle.
Dual-wielding Speed Scimitars will get you 9 attacks per round, with an average of 5.4 threats each round.
This means that each round of combat, you get an average of +5.4 to attacks and damage, stacking until the end of the combat. After 5 rounds of attacking in melee, thats a +27 to your attack and damage.
The only problem is that there's a good chance the enemy's AC will be so high that a threat is not enough to hit them.
That is where having a bunch of Power Critical feats comes in. +4 to crit-confirm is an appreciated boost.
That is where having a bunch of Power Critical feats comes in. +4 to crit-confirm is an appreciated boost.
That still won't make a difference if your attack can't even hit their AC. Critical threats don't automatically hit. That's only a natural 20.
Psychic Warrior/Psychic Weapon Master or Warblade/Disciple of Dispater into Kensei is pretty doable. Remember that the Kensei from Oriental Adventures was never updated to 3.5; all updated PrCs from OA are listed on Dragon Magazine 318 and Kensei is not among them.
Awesome
That still won't make a difference if your attack can't even hit their AC. Critical threats don't automatically hit. That's only a natural 20.
I think this is mentioned because so many people play where threats are treated as 20's. Because we all love blowing obscene amounts of cash on a vorpal weapon until we learn in only should work on a natural 20's auto-hit
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=15764409
Burn a feat on EWP Great Scimitar from Sandstorm, which is basically a scimitar but exotic so you can dip into Exotic Weapons Master for uncanny blow. There's also a material you can make it out of (it is metallic) which adds +4 to your confirmation rolls.
Doesn't matter if it's metallic - DoD explicitly only works with iron or steel weapons.
Doesn't matter if it's metallic - DoD explicitly only works with iron or steel weapons.
Don't think it's a problem, since he's probably talking about solamnian truesteel.
Can't remember. Is Kensei from OA same thing as Kensai from CW?
While technically the CW Kensai replaces the OA Kensei, they're completely different classes.