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Late level caster

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#1
cloer
Nov 26, 2008 13:24:42 IF a melee or sneaky character character decides to go into the realm of magic (divine or arcane) and is already 4-6 levels into his own class will he be broken? im not asking if a level 5/15 figther/wizard will beat a lvl. 20 wizard (thats obious) i mean will the lack of specialisation cripple him adveture wise at around lvl 10???

Thanks
#2
phaedrusxy
Nov 26, 2008 13:40:10 Not necessarily. He will never be as powerful as a caster with more caster levels, but you can certainly make a decent self-buffing character out of him, and the spells can also offer some versatility. Just make sure that you have an idea of theme for what the character is going to be good at, and stick to it. If you have a crappy BAB and crappy spells, you're probably not going to be good at fighting.
#3
feloniousela
Nov 26, 2008 16:54:44 Melee characters can snag Suel Arcanamach after 6th level, then advance it with Abjurant Champion and Spellsword to be really capable self buffers.

Full BAB combination 6/Suel Arcanamach 4/Abjurant Champion 5/Spellsword 1/Whatever you want 4

is a decent and basic "gish-lite" idea.
#4
tana_san
Nov 26, 2008 17:43:56
Melee characters can snag Suel Arcanamach after 6th level, then advance it with Abjurant Champion and Spellsword to be really capable self buffers.

Full BAB combination 6/Suel Arcanamach 4/Abjurant Champion 5/Spellsword 1/Whatever you want 4

is a decent and basic "gish-lite" idea.

+1

For the first 6lvls Paladin/ Duskblade combination is nice. The latter has Spellcraft as class skill and gives Combat Casting @ 2nd lvl.

For the last 4lvls I’d recommend Dragon Disciple to increase daily use of spells.
#5
altpersona
Nov 26, 2008 18:30:52 divine crusader, 10lvl 9th lvl spells, needs bab 7 to qual and you only get 1 domain for spell selection.. use lvls 18 - 20 to grab extra domains..

ends up with 16+ bab and 9th lvl spells..

EDITED, cause i reread it and saw i screwed it several times.
#6
widow
Nov 26, 2008 20:20:08 If you are lucky enough to be a human with the able learner feat, you can hoop into chameleon from races of destiny. That will give you a nice mix of everything.
#7
innabinder
Nov 26, 2008 20:27:11
Melee characters can snag Suel Arcanamach after 6th level, then advance it with Abjurant Champion and Spellsword to be really capable self buffers.

Full BAB combination 6/Suel Arcanamach 4/Abjurant Champion 5/Spellsword 1/Whatever you want 4

is a decent and basic "gish-lite" idea.

I like Paladin 3/Warblade 3 as the intro, Sacred Exorcist 1(or Divine Oracle 1)/Human Paragon 3 as the ending. Just hope you're not treading into Epic with it. I dub thee, Sir Buffsalot.
#8
tana_san
Nov 26, 2008 20:43:38
I like Paladin 3/Warblade 3 as the intro, Sacred Exorcist 1(or Divine Oracle 1)/Human Paragon 3 as the ending. Just hope you're not treading into Epic with it. I dub thee, Sir Buffsalot.

Does Warblade have Spellcraft as class skill (I don’t have Tome of Battle )? If it doesn’t it doesn’t work.

If you’re willing to expend a feat, Keeper of Forbidden Lore [FC1] let to you have Spellcraft as class skill for any class.
#9
feloniousela
Nov 26, 2008 22:15:55 My favorite entry into SuArc is actually Duskblade 3/Fighter 2/Lion Totem Barbarian 1

Go Illumian with Aeshkrau. Get the Cityscape variants for both Barbarian and Fighter that make Tumble a class skill.

Pounce and extra feats leads to a very nice charger, especially when you can buff yourself with spells like greater magic weapon, greater mighty wallop, greater enlarge person, heroics, etc. etc. My favorite weapon has to be a Staff of Power where your smites are fueled with Duskblade spells...take a few twf feats, charge, pounce, power attack with wraithstrike if you want...there is fun to be had with only 5 levels of casting!

Tana San: Dragon Disciple is an AWESOME way to end it, especially if you are Illumian with Aeshkrau. Strength based bonus spells on a character that easily ends up with 30+ strength on a daily basis is....tasty.
#10
innabinder
Nov 26, 2008 22:20:21
Does Warblade have Spellcraft as class skill (I don’t have Tome of Battle )? If it doesn’t it doesn’t work.

If you’re willing to expend a feat, Keeper of Forbidden Lore [FC1] let to you have Spellcraft as class skill for any class.

I was counting on Feat expenditure.

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#1 cloer Nov 26, 2008 13:24:42	IF a melee or sneaky character character decides to go into the realm of magic (divine or arcane) and is already 4-6 levels into his own class will he be broken? im not asking if a level 5/15 figther/wizard will beat a lvl. 20 wizard (thats obious) i mean will the lack of specialisation cripple him adveture wise at around lvl 10??? Thanks
#2 phaedrusxy Nov 26, 2008 13:40:10	Not necessarily. He will never be as powerful as a caster with more caster levels, but you can certainly make a decent self-buffing character out of him, and the spells can also offer some versatility. Just make sure that you have an idea of theme for what the character is going to be good at, and stick to it. If you have a crappy BAB and crappy spells, you're probably not going to be good at fighting.
#3 feloniousela Nov 26, 2008 16:54:44	Melee characters can snag Suel Arcanamach after 6th level, then advance it with Abjurant Champion and Spellsword to be really capable self buffers. Full BAB combination 6/Suel Arcanamach 4/Abjurant Champion 5/Spellsword 1/Whatever you want 4 is a decent and basic "gish-lite" idea.
#4 tana_san Nov 26, 2008 17:43:56	Melee characters can snag Suel Arcanamach after 6th level, then advance it with Abjurant Champion and Spellsword to be really capable self buffers. Full BAB combination 6/Suel Arcanamach 4/Abjurant Champion 5/Spellsword 1/Whatever you want 4 is a decent and basic "gish-lite" idea. +1 For the first 6lvls Paladin/ Duskblade combination is nice. The latter has Spellcraft as class skill and gives Combat Casting @ 2nd lvl. For the last 4lvls I’d recommend Dragon Disciple to increase daily use of spells.
#5 altpersona Nov 26, 2008 18:30:52	divine crusader, 10lvl 9th lvl spells, needs bab 7 to qual and you only get 1 domain for spell selection.. use lvls 18 - 20 to grab extra domains.. ends up with 16+ bab and 9th lvl spells.. EDITED, cause i reread it and saw i screwed it several times.
#6 widow Nov 26, 2008 20:20:08	If you are lucky enough to be a human with the able learner feat, you can hoop into chameleon from races of destiny. That will give you a nice mix of everything.
#7 innabinder Nov 26, 2008 20:27:11	Melee characters can snag Suel Arcanamach after 6th level, then advance it with Abjurant Champion and Spellsword to be really capable self buffers. Full BAB combination 6/Suel Arcanamach 4/Abjurant Champion 5/Spellsword 1/Whatever you want 4 is a decent and basic "gish-lite" idea. I like Paladin 3/Warblade 3 as the intro, Sacred Exorcist 1(or Divine Oracle 1)/Human Paragon 3 as the ending. Just hope you're not treading into Epic with it. I dub thee, Sir Buffsalot.
#8 tana_san Nov 26, 2008 20:43:38	I like Paladin 3/Warblade 3 as the intro, Sacred Exorcist 1(or Divine Oracle 1)/Human Paragon 3 as the ending. Just hope you're not treading into Epic with it. I dub thee, Sir Buffsalot. Does Warblade have Spellcraft as class skill (I don’t have Tome of Battle )? If it doesn’t it doesn’t work. If you’re willing to expend a feat, Keeper of Forbidden Lore [FC1] let to you have Spellcraft as class skill for any class.
#9 feloniousela Nov 26, 2008 22:15:55	My favorite entry into SuArc is actually Duskblade 3/Fighter 2/Lion Totem Barbarian 1 Go Illumian with Aeshkrau. Get the Cityscape variants for both Barbarian and Fighter that make Tumble a class skill. Pounce and extra feats leads to a very nice charger, especially when you can buff yourself with spells like greater magic weapon, greater mighty wallop, greater enlarge person, heroics, etc. etc. My favorite weapon has to be a Staff of Power where your smites are fueled with Duskblade spells...take a few twf feats, charge, pounce, power attack with wraithstrike if you want...there is fun to be had with only 5 levels of casting! Tana San: Dragon Disciple is an AWESOME way to end it, especially if you are Illumian with Aeshkrau. Strength based bonus spells on a character that easily ends up with 30+ strength on a daily basis is....tasty.
#10 innabinder Nov 26, 2008 22:20:21	Does Warblade have Spellcraft as class skill (I don’t have Tome of Battle )? If it doesn’t it doesn’t work. If you’re willing to expend a feat, Keeper of Forbidden Lore [FC1] let to you have Spellcraft as class skill for any class. I was counting on Feat expenditure.