Lightning Maces generates extra attacks when I threaten a crit while dual-wielding Light Maces. I'm trying to find a way to optimize use of this ability (Whether by increasing crit range, number of attacks, whatever) while trying to stick to PH races. The best thing I've found so far is Disciple of Dispater, but since my character is non-evil, it's not really an option. Pretty much any book or supplement is fair game here for classes/equipment/feats/whatever, as long as I stick with core races.
Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated, as I generally play casters, and so am very unfamiliar with melee in general.
Edit: Not sure where the high-end for the campaign is, level-wise, but the starting level is 3, with standard WBL. Stats are a 32-point buy.
best use of this feat is to use the aptitude weapon enhancement from tome of battle to apple it to a weapon with a larger crit range and keen enhancement as well
This does not work. Aptitude only works for feats that let you pick the weapon that it applies to, not ones that specifically mention a single type of weapon.
JaronK
JaronK
As a warning... it's really powerful. I made a theoretical ops build around this concept, using Lightning Mace and Roundabout Kick (which works the same way with an Aptitude weapon, giving you an extra attack every time you threaten a critical).
Think you can dig up that old thread?
Does anything similar exist for melee attacks?
And if not, could a bow with the Morphing enchantment be used as a workaround?
Think you can dig up that old thread?
Hard to do... the theoretical ops board got smushed into this one. But the basic build was a Warblade/Disciple of Dispater that used a pair of aptitude kukris with Blood in the Water, so he had a 9-20 critical threat range, and then used Roundabout Kick and Lightning Mace so that every critical threat got him an extra attack and every confirmed critical got him another. Then I believe someone else mentioned that Warmind would give him two attacks every time he generated a new attack, so it exploded even faster. And of course with Blood in the Water, your damage and to hit keeps getting better, so very quickly you're confirming on a 2.
JaronK
Oh yeah, I remember that. Quick question, though; that crit range was calculated using D&D math, right? Crit ranges being an abstraction rather than a value representative of a real quantity.
yes, but disciple of dispater is 3.0 and requires you to be well, evil.
if you want to not completely break things i'd suggest just settling for 15-20 crit range with warblade levels to get blood in the water, dancing/raginmg mongoose etc
There is an enhancement bonus from the magic item compendium that doubles the threat range for blunt weapons like keen does for slashing weapons.
Yes but I'm pretty sure it specifically states that it stacks with no other crit modification at all. I could be wrong though.
Yes but I'm pretty sure it specifically states that it stacks with no other crit modification at all. I could be wrong though.
Yeah it does say it doesn't stack with other crit modifiers. I dont' really know what lightning maces does and I can't check the books from my cubicle, I'm just throwing a suggestion out to avoid wasting a feat on improved critical and possibly getting the critical bonus a few levels earlier.
Oh yeah, I remember that. Quick question, though; that crit range was calculated using D&D math, right? Crit ranges being an abstraction rather than a value representative of a real quantity.
Critical range was correctly calculated (the class triples it, from 18-20 to 12-20, and it explicitly stacks with Improved Critical, which doubles it again to 9-20). As another poster stated, it's unupdated 3.0 material, and more to the point you get infinite attacks, so it's probably best to just go with a 15-20 critical range in a real game. But even that with Lightning Mace, Roundabout Kick, Blood in the Water, the Enfeebling enchantment, and that feat from Drow of the Underdark that slows enemies on a critical hit... that's plenty.
Heck, you could do something like Monk 6/Shou Disciple 5/Swordsage 4/Master of Nine 5, which would give you flurry of blows with kukris in addition to all that other good stuff... Burning Blade and Dancing Mongoose would be great manuevers. You'd need fractional BAB to get all your attacks though.
JaronK
JaronK
Not enough initiator level. That build only gives you 14.
JaronK
Damn. And AoB sucks because of the penalties you take.
But seriously, with GTWF and whatnot, you're looking at 9 attacks a round, plus a manuever (likely Dancing Mongoose, Burning Blade, or similar). With 1/4 of them threatening a critical, that's an additional 2 attacks a round, plus 1 or 2 more when you successfully confirm the crit... and then Blood in the Water boosts your to hit way up.
Basically, you'll charge up for the first round or so. Try to get their dex denied to AC or maybe get touch attacks for a round somehow.
JaronK
Basically, you'll charge up for the first round or so. Try to get their dex denied to AC or maybe get touch attacks for a round somehow.
JaronK
The Blurstrike enhancement causes opponents to be flatfooted for a total of 10 rounds per day. And if I'm remembering correctly, it only works once per opponent per encounter. There's your one round charge up....
Potencially Endless Attacks in a Single Full Attack Action
the original thread by JaronK
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its a dervish build with discussion abt lightning maces further down.
