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#1 AH_schulerta Sep 18, 2009 22:05:58	Books allowed: Core, All completes, PHBII, UA, all of the Races books, if it works with Living Greyhawk it will work here too. Books forbidden: All Forgoten Realms and Eberron books are OUT. Both characters will start at 5th level, the campaign will end at 12th. I would like to see levels 1-4 lined out as well. First is a Dwarf melee. Stats before racial mods: 18, 15, 14, 14, 11, 9 (yes, she rolled that, and wants to do a Female Dwarf melee type). Charger or Controller. Second is a arcane type: 16, 15, 13, 13, 11, 10. Could be Gish, Battlefield control, or generalist MacGuyver type. A third player is planning on a Heavily Armored Cleric. The fourth is probably going to do something like a druid.   I added a little more Bruceleeroy. I would like the two to compliment each other.   Thanks for any suggestions.
#2 kyprioth Sep 18, 2009 22:19:49	Exactly how strong do you want these players? I can assume well enough, but I don't want to suggest and then be put down because I missed the mark.
#3 AH_schulerta Sep 18, 2009 22:23:34	Go as strong as you like.
#4 bruceleeroy Sep 19, 2009 0:39:43	How about a little more work on your end, rather than some stats and GO!   For instance, dwarf melee how? Charger? Controller? Defender? TWF?   Arcane: Abrupt Jaunt Focused Specialist Conjurer. Done.
#5 cru Sep 19, 2009 6:40:36	18 Str, 15 Dex, 16 Con, 14 Int, 11 Wis, 7 Cha Dwarf Tripper/Mage Slayer/Tracker/Skill Monkey/Trap finder: 1 Ranger 1 (6+Int skills), Favored enemy Arcanists (ACF), Trapfinding (ACF?)     2/2/0 feat (combat expertise) 2 Ranger 2 (Power Attack from strong-arm combat style)                                           3/3/0 3 Ranger 3 Endurance                                                                                                        3/3/1 feat (combat reflexes) 4 Ranger 4 Distracting Attack instead of companion, feat instead of spells            4/4/1 improved trip 5 Fighter 1 Feat                                                                                                                   6/4/1 deft opportunist) 6 Deepwarden 1 Track                                                                                                       8/4/3 feat (Weapon Focus) 7 Deepwarden 2 Stone Warden (Con to AC)                                                                 9/4/4 8 Exotic Weapon Master 1 Exotic Trip                                                                          11/4/4 9 Occult Slayer 1 bonus saves, bonus damage against casters                                11/4/6 (+1) Weapon of choice: dwarven warpike (weapon proficiency via variant racial weapon familiarity CWar 154)
#6 AH_schulerta Sep 19, 2009 7:56:40	How about a little more work on your end, rather than some stats and GO!   For instance, dwarf melee how? Charger? Controller? Defender? TWF?   Arcane: Abrupt Jaunt Focused Specialist Conjurer. Done.  Fair enough updated original post.
#7 AH_schulerta Sep 19, 2009 11:04:55	18 Str, 15 Dex, 16 Con, 14 Int, 11 Wis, 7 Cha Dwarf Tripper/Mage Slayer/Tracker/Skill Monkey/Trap finder: 1 Ranger 1 (6+Int skills), Favored enemy Arcanists (ACF), Trapfinding (ACF?)     2/2/0 feat (combat expertise) 2 Ranger 2 (Power Attack from strong-arm combat style)                                           3/3/0 3 Ranger 3 Endurance                                                                                                        3/3/1 feat (combat reflexes) 4 Ranger 4 Distracting Attack instead of companion, feat instead of spells            4/4/1 improved trip 5 Fighter 1 Feat                                                                                                                   6/4/1 deft opportunist) 6 Deepwarden 1 Track                                                                                                       8/4/3 feat (Weapon Focus) 7 Deepwarden 2 Stone Warden (Con to AC)                                                                 9/4/4 8 Exotic Weapon Master 1 Exotic Trip                                                                          11/4/4 9 Occult Slayer 1 bonus saves, bonus damage against casters                                11/4/6 (+1) Weapon of choice: dwarven warpike (weapon proficiency via variant racial weapon familiarity CWar 154)   First off, thanks! What is the source for Strong-Arm Combat Style?
#8 cru Sep 19, 2009 11:57:43	unfortunately, it's dragon magazine. can be also found on crystal keep somewhere I think. perhaps your DM could be persuaded...
#9 AH_schulerta Sep 21, 2009 10:01:43	I have this option for the Mage: Human Conjurer (Suel) (Specializing in Sculpted Clouds, Patterns, and Blasts) Forbidden: Enchantment and Necromancy (or Abjuration, can't fully decide) Str: 10 Dex: 15 Con: 13 Int: 16 Wis 13 Cha: 11 Conjurer (1st) No Familiar: Impromptu Metamagic* instead, Spell Focus (Conjuration), Extend Spell Conjurer (2nd) Conjurer (3rd) Sculpt Spell Conjurer (4th) +1 Dex Conjurer (5th) Metamagic Focus (Conjuration) Master Specialist (1st) Skill Focus (Spellcraft), Improved Initiative Master Specialist (2nd) Expanded Spellbook Master Specialist (3rd) Greater Spell Focus (Conjuration), +1 Con Master Specialist (4th) Minor School Esoterica, Dimensional Jaunt Master Specialist (5th) Expanded Spellbook Master Specialist (6th) Caster Level Increase +1 Master Specialist (7th) Moderate School Esoterica, Craft Contingent Spell, +1 Wis   * Source: Dragon #357, reduce Metamagic costs by 5 minus the level of the modification per day. So no Abrupt Jaunt, with Impromptu Metamagic and Metamagic Focus (Conjuration) I can sculpt up to 7 Spells per day at 5th level with no level increase. Is the trade-off worth it? I don't like the Focused Specialist option too much, I don't like giving up two schools, let alone three. Any thoughts?
#10 bruceleeroy Sep 21, 2009 12:14:09	Not a bad option. Not familiar with that metamagic feat, it reduces the level cost by 5 minus the normal level cost? what? Explain, please.   Otherwise, good idea. Battlefield control FTW.
#11 AH_schulerta Sep 21, 2009 15:12:34	You can reduce the cost of Metamagic feat by 5-the level modifier/times per day. e.g. You could Sculpt 4 spells per day, or Quicken one spell, or Maximize two spells, or Empower 3 spells. You can only use this for one Metamagic feat per day. You don't have to prepare it ahead of time but would want to to avoid increased spell casting time. One other stipulation is you may not apply it to a spell that you would not normally be able to cast if it didn't reduce the effective spell level. In other words, as a 5th Wizard, you could Sculpt up to a 2nd level spell without making it a 3rd level spell, or Empower a 1st level spell, or Maximize a 0-level spell.
#12 bruceleeroy Sep 21, 2009 18:30:59	Well, that is a pretty goddamn nice feat.