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#1 snex Apr 24, 2008 15:30:07	im trying to come up with a cleric build that is centered around misdirection and summoning. the basic idea is to cast invisibility, use dimension door-type spells, and then DMM quicken summonings while invisible. i want to take the malconvoker PrC for the summoning benefits, but im also looking for a PrC that will focus on the trickery domain. all 3.5 books are available, but id prefer non-setting specific things over setting specific. since im already losing a caster level for malconvoker, i need a PrC that doesnt lose any more. cloistered cleric and spontaneous domain casting are a must for the skill points and more invisibility uses per day. feats will include the required augment summoning and skill focus (conj) for the malconvoker, as well as DMM quicken, and possibly the summoning reserve feat. ive looked through most of the stuff i have and i cant seem to find much related to the trickery domain. any help would be appreciated.
#2 zendu Apr 24, 2008 15:45:33	AFB I believe that Divine Trickster (RoS) could fit your build thematically, but might not give you the summoning buff you are looking for.
#3 davethemagicweasel Apr 24, 2008 17:02:21	Books allowed? Dark Pilgrim of Takhisis in one of the Dragonlance books (Holy Orders maybe? Not sure) could be right up your alley. Not directly related to the trickery domain, but gives full casting, social skill buffs, Hide in Plain Sight, Divine Grace, a bit of sneak attack ... it's very nice.
#4 snex Apr 24, 2008 17:13:48	Books allowed? Dark Pilgrim of Takhisis in one of the Dragonlance books (Holy Orders maybe? Not sure) could be right up your alley. Not directly related to the trickery domain, but gives full casting, social skill buffs, Hide in Plain Sight, Divine Grace, a bit of sneak attack ... it's very nice. i dont think i have that book.. is the PrC somewhere on the web? if any of the requirements are campaign specific i doubt it will be allowed unless we are playing in dragonlance (which our group has never done before). all 3.5 books are allowed, but like i said, non-campaign specific stuff is better than campaign-specific, since this is more of a theoretical build for the moment and i dont know what campaign we will be in when i decide to play it.
#5 aftercrescent Apr 24, 2008 17:43:42	Shadowcraft Mage :D
#6 phaedrusxy Apr 24, 2008 17:49:18	Shadowcraft Mage :D I thought of suggesting that, but I'm not sure what he means by "Focus on the trickery domain". SCM focuses on "trickery", but on the domain? I don't know.
#7 snex Apr 24, 2008 18:53:19	shadowcraft mage requires the ability to cast a shadow spell of 4th level or higher, which a cleric will not have. what im really looking for is something that synergizes with the granted power of the trickery domain and its spell list. in the absence of that, anything at all that grants full divine casting and has easy entry prereqs will do. i might end up working a few levels of thaumatergist in there.
#8 phaedrusxy Apr 24, 2008 23:31:45	There are ways to be able to cast a 4th level shadow spell as a cleric. 1) Shadow domain, Eberron, 2) Heighten the spell Dark Way (SC) to 4th, 3) take the Initiate of Cyric feat. I think SCM does go well with Trickery thematically, and synergizes with it fairly well (I play a cleric/SCM with the Trickery and Illusion domains. Cyric in FR has both, and the Initiate of Cyric feat can get you a 4th level shadow spell without using Heighten cheese).
#9 ronyon Apr 26, 2008 0:31:05	How about the Nightcloak? http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20040522a Here are the entry requirements: Alignment: Neutral evil. Base Attack Bonus: +3. Skills: Bluff 2 ranks, Hide 4 ranks, Move Silently 2 ranks, Perform (any) 4 ranks. Feats: Iron Will, Spell Focus (Enchantment, Illusion, or Necromancy). Spells: Ability to cast 3rd-level divine spells. A cleric candidate must have access to the Evil domain. I dont know if this has been updated. If not well it does have one crappy prerequisite:Iron Will, and a marginal Domain. The Domain pain could be nixed via the Substitute Domain spell. Other than that, well Completive and Paragnostic Apostle seem to be great Cloistered Cleric choices, as is the Divine Disciple .Easy entries, nice benefits.
#10 smurfalot Apr 26, 2008 0:41:52	I suggest the "Magical Trickster" from Complete Scoundrel. It is only a 3 level PrC, you lose one spell casting level, but one of the things you get is: Metamagic Trick (Ex): Beginning at 3rd level, you understand how to apply the principle of tricks to your spellcasting. Once per day you can apply the effect of any one metamagic feat you know to a spell as you cast it without altering the spell’s effective level. The spell slot adjustment of the metamagic feat can’t exceed four. You also get a bonus MM feat.
#11 snex Apr 27, 2008 14:31:02	ok heres the build im thinking of: assuming 32 point buy, no flaws str 12 dex 8 con 14 int 14 wis 21 (16 +5 level) cha 14 1 - cloistered cleric (trickery, travel domains), spontaneous domain casting (trickery), spell focus (conjuration), augment summoning 2 - CC 3 - CC, divine metamagic (quicken spell) 4 - malconvoker, deceptive summons, unrestricted conjuration 5 - malc, planar binding 6 - malc, trickery devotion, skill focus (bluff) 7 - malc, deceptive summons (fury) 8 - malc, fiendish legion 9 - magical trickster, summon elemental reserve, bonus trick, spontaneous trickster 10 - MT, bonus metamagic feat = extend spell 11 - MT, bonus trick, metamagic trick, tricky magic 12 - malc, persist spell, deceitful bargaining 13 - malc, deceptive summons (resistance) 14 - malc, improved calling 15 - malc, ???, safe summoning 16-20 - ??? not sure what to do after level 15, ill have to look through and see if i can find anything i like.
#12 aftercrescent Apr 27, 2008 16:05:36	Malconvoker requires Summon Monster 3. How are you qualifying at level 3, when you can only cast summon monster 2?
#13 snex Apr 27, 2008 16:37:17	Malconvoker requires Summon Monster 3. How are you qualifying at level 3, when you can only cast summon monster 2? ah i misread. will rework it later to be correct.