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#1 numbnuts Jun 30, 2011 11:13:16	Okay, here's the deal. I'm running a core 3.5 D&D campaing. And I need myself a Lich to be the main antagonist.   Problem here. Never played a wizard. My entire spellcasting experience is limited to clerics.   So what I need is a simple build, with feats and used spells and with what metamagic. I know it might be a lot to ask. But being one of the most common bad guys, I'd bet someone has a build in their table drawer waiting to be dust of. Also I'm thinking about having my party of 5 to get to level 15 aprox when they finally battle the lich. So adjust and suggest accordingly.   Million thanks.
#2 lormador Jun 30, 2011 19:03:06	Play it a generalist wizard. It won't have many direct encounters with the party, but can use a lot of out-of-combat spells from Enchantment and Necromancy. It's Core only, so it needs Contingency as well. Give it Leadership. One of the fun Core tricks to do with Necromancy and the lich is Magic Jar. See the lich doesn't need to worry about the range to its Magic Jar, because it can reform from its phylactery. It's free to wander about relatively worry-free. The soul of its victim will depart to the outer planes if it's killed, but the lich will be pulled back to the phylactery. Freedom!
#3 dmverdandi Jun 30, 2011 19:24:14	Okay, here's the deal. I'm running a core 3.5 D&D campaing. And I need myself a Lich to be the main antagonist.   Problem here. Never played a wizard. My entire spellcasting experience is limited to clerics.   So what I need is a simple build, with feats and used spells and with what metamagic. I know it might be a lot to ask. But being one of the most common bad guys, I'd bet someone has a build in their table drawer waiting to be dust of. Also I'm thinking about having my party of 5 to get to level 15 aprox when they finally battle the lich. So adjust and suggest accordingly.   Million thanks. Yuck... Don't make him a lich, Make him a necropolitan. It is a ritual that turns one race undead for LA+0. Lich is something I would suggest to someone of 20-th level, since increasing the HD in a game that isn't going to go epic is fine. Anytime before that, it is absolutely horrid. So, here is what you do. For now, lets suggest that this Undead spellcaster is level 15. Normally for one enemy, I would have the level be +4 CR, but, we shall do this in the easiest way possible. For a straight 15 level wizard, I would make it into a martial wizard. I feel like the regular feats can be spent on magical ones, and the extra fighter feats make for an interesting array of abilities to be used. Feats 1.Ocular spell+ Collegiate wizard 3.eschew spell 6.Undead Leadership 9.Rulership 12.Smiting spell 15.Craft contengient spell Bonus fighter feats 1.Improved Initiative 2.Improved unarmed strike 4.Superior unarmed strike 6.Two weapon fighting 8.Snap kick 10.Versatile Unarmed Strike 12.Daunting presence  14.Two weapon focus Spells. I will assume that this character researches 4 extra spells per spell level, for the spellbook. 1st level. shield,grease, Orb of sound lesser, Summon undead 1, True strike, magic missile,color spray, magic weapon 2nd level Detect thoughts, web, Touch of idiocy, blur, blindness/deafness, alter self, rope trick, darkness 3rd level Dispel magic, greater mage armor, clairaudience/clairvoyance, resonating bolt, displacement, undead lieutenant, vampiric touch, stony grasp 4th level Dimensional anchor, otiluke's dispelling screen,  stoneskin, dimension door, orb of force, shadow conjuration, enervation. rary's mnemonic enhancer 5th level Mordenkainen's private sanctum, Cloudkill,telekinesis, teleport, rary's telepathic bond, feeblemind, mindfog, shadow evocation, 6th level True seeing, contengiency, burrow mass, darkvision mass, disintegrate, mordenkainen's lucubration, contagion mass, probe thoughts 7th level Spell Turning, hold person mass, ethereal jaunt, reverse gravity, Limited wish, arcane sight greater, scrying greater, prismatic spray Based on the build, This is an undead wizard, who wields martial arts, and is very good at delaying spells. It uses smiting and ocular spell to have spells on each hand and eye readied. This guy is built for completely dominating opponents and providing assistance to his shambling army. He can see in the dark and doesn't need to breath, so he uses lots of cloud spells to make sure each enemy he has is slowed, blinded and takes damage for every round they are fighting. He also has dimensional anchor, which makes sure the party doesn't move an inch. They are trapped in the battle. He is also an EXCELLENT buffer, using many spells to become a force of destruction. He is very good at divination, and will be prepared to fight the opponents,MANY rounds before they get there. He literally won't be caught off guard. And is good at mind reading, able to find out what the party knows (like classes, spells prepared, strategies). Finally he is very good at completely shutting down the buffs they have prepared, and casting spells that he doesn't have prepared.  Use craft contengient spell to make sure every single buff/debuff is prepared, and fill the slots with everything else.    Undead leadership should be used to create a necropolitan Cleric of undeath, deathless, oracle, and undead. Create only necropolitans with him, cast undead lieutenant on him, and have a handful of fighters with bows as your followers. Cast desecrate with the cleric to empower them. For the cleric  Extra domain& Extra turning Extend spell Persist spell Dmm:persist spell Domain sponaniety(undead domain) OR landlord    Make all the followers into Lion totem ferocity barbarinan 1/Sneak thug X  With mass burrow, they all come out of the ground to serve your king of undead, and flank the party.
#4 Krusk Jul 01, 2011 10:34:38	Wizard 7/Loremaster 5/Archmae 5/Loremaster 3 Any feats that increase your save DCs are good feats. I like the ideaof leadership, use it to attract a bunch of sentient undead. Preferably some who can spawn more undead. Use that to suppliment the horde. Spell focus in multiple schools isn't a bad thing if you can. At level 15 fighting a single classed foe even if level 20 shouldn't be too hard. Adding lich increases the CR by 2. This is probably a CR 18 fight, which is right around where you want for a boss fight for level 15 guys. If they level you will need to give him helpers in the final fight to make it harder. (You might consider that anyway) Especially if there are 5 of them. Spells- lots of enchantment, illusion, necromancy. Very little evocation. Divination can and should be done for pre-fight spying, but rarely mid fight. You want spells with a save or loss effect. Not neccessicarily die because your PC's will then be dead.
#5 elthenar Jul 02, 2011 5:46:43	Is this going to be just core or core plus completes? Every extra book allowed makes a huge difference. If your party is not too powerful and you have Libris Mortis, you could just use Dread Necromancer. It's a very cool and effective class, it isn't overpowered and broken AND it gives the lich template for free. If your party IS optimized and powerful, than make a batman wizard and use all of the time stop/shapechange/battlefield control tricks lol. Lot of good info for making a wizard here. brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.p...
#6 numbnuts Jul 03, 2011 8:00:42	Thx for the replys. I think I'll manage with these. :D
#7 dmverdandi Jul 04, 2011 3:19:44	One thing... Necropolitan build needs to be modified to *Fighter bonus feats* 1.Improved unarmed strike 5.Superior unarmed strike 10.Versatile unarmed strike 15 Snap kick It's fighter bonus feats at wizard bonus rates. My mistake. Still a potent build.