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#1 neo_leviathan Mar 02, 2011 5:24:11	So. I'm looking to build a character, will only be a one-off, lvl 18-20 range, who is geared wholely and solely towards binding and controlling Evil Outsiders. I know about the Nar Demonbinder, but I'm sure there are better options out there. 3.5 rules, any sourcebooks are allowed.
#2 Apollo_Theron Mar 02, 2011 8:14:02	You want to play a malconvoker.
#3 Omen_of_Peace Mar 02, 2011 9:07:38	There's also Fiendbinder (Tome of Magic). Probably more complex than Malconvoker (you gotta optimize Truespeak) and less flexible but you gain interesting options (Succubi at character level 9).
#4 neo_leviathan Mar 02, 2011 17:47:33	Hrm. I don't think Malconvoker will fit what I'm looking for, since I'm looking for a class that's good at binding/controlling free Demons, not just summoning them (unless their special Planar binding variant can do that, or can be combined with Nar Demonbinder's Silver Sign to do so). I'll take a look at Fiendbinder next time I'm with my books. Are there any options, other than the epic feat, for using Turn Undead on fiends?
#5 Omen_of_Peace Mar 02, 2011 18:30:25	Turn Anathema (spell in Complete Champion) allows turning fiends for 10min/level... but not commanding them. The designers have made many mistakes, but I doubt they allowed commanding fiends in any non-TO way.
#6 Krusk Mar 03, 2011 9:22:15	I'm looking for a class that's good at binding/controlling free Demons, not just summoning them (unless their special Planar binding variant can do that, or can be combined with Nar Demonbinder's Silver Sign to do so). It gets two features that are helpful on that front. 1- Decetful bargining. Basically you make a bluff check and then they take a penalty on all cha checks to try to refuse to serve you. and 2- Improved Calling. Basically gives a +2 to your HD limit. Bring in bigger and better things. It also gives you the spells for free, so if you have a specific list like a sorcerer you don't have to take them with your spells known. The last benefit is the super awesome summoning that you can do mid fight if you ever happen to not have something summoned.
#7 neo_leviathan Mar 04, 2011 23:17:02	Well, I've decided to go with an Archivist/Malconvoker. May or may not round it out with Fiendbinder. Pity I'm going to miss out on Nar Demonbinder's "Lob a seal on the ground and bind a fiend into it" but the DC on that was pathetic anyway. Anyone have any suggestions on buff spells to use for boosting up Fiends? This is for an NPC enemy and my rough plan is to have a well protected caster (Antilife shell, Effulgent Epparetion from a scroll, hell, forcecage myself if needs be), then pull out a pile of fiends, buff the heck out of them and cut them loose on the PCs. So if anyone has any buff spell suggestions, it'd be much appreciated Righteous Wrath of the Faithful & Aura of Vitality will be at the top of the list.
#8 bonzai Mar 10, 2011 16:29:13	Here is an NPC I used in a campaign of mine. Archivist/Fiendbinder. It worked really well, and creaped out some of the players, as he stuck around a few turns past where he should have been dead. Show Aelios Maldraven, NE Archavist 7/Fiendbinder 10 HP: 162 Init: +0 Speed: 30ft Space/Reach: 5ft AC: t: F: Bab: 8/3 Attack: 9/4 1d8+1 Abilities: Str: 10, Dex: 11, Con: 18, Int: 18 Wis: 10, Cha: 8 Saves: Fort 12, Ref 5, Will 12 Skills: Concentration 20, True Speech 20, Knowledge of the planes 15, Knowledge Arcana 15, Knowledge Religion 10, Knowledge Nature 10, Knowledge Dungeoneering 10, Knowledge History 10, SpellCraft 20, Gather Information 5, Search 5, spot 5, listen 5. Feats: Scribe Scroll, True Speech Training, Skill Focus True Speech, Archivist of Nature, Draconic Archivist, Spell penetration, Heighten spell, Maximize spell. Possessions: Greater amulet of the Silver tongue (+10 true Speech), +4 Chain Shirt, +2 Morningstar, Headband of intellect +4, 1 Bound Marilith, 3 vrocks, 1 Hezrou. Features: Dark Knowledge: 5/day, Make an appropriate knowledge check to identify target creature/creatures. If successful, chose from one of the following effects to effect all creatures within 60ft for one minute. If the check succeeds by more than 10, the bonus is increased to +2. If over 20, the bonus is increased to +3. Tactics: allys and you gain +1 to attack rolls on targeted creatures. Puissance: Allys and you gain +1 bonus to saves against affects from targeted creatures. Lore Mastery (Arcana and Planes): +2 to decipher script, and to knowledge checks relating to the chosen field. Still Mind: +2 to saves vs mind effecting. Bind Fiend: True speech checks to command and bind; Babau DC 27, Succubus DC 29, Hellcat DC 29, Vrock DC 33, Cauchmar DC 37, Retriever DC 37, Hezrou DC 37, Barbed Devil DC 37, Ice Devil DC 41, Marilith DC 49. Call forth Fiend: 1/day, 10 rounds. One fiend from the bind fiend list comes and serves you faithfully. DC above. Bind Tormented Soul: DC 30 True Speech check, swift action. Dropping to negative 9 hp doesn’t disable you. At -10 or lower you can make a single move action or standard action. Lasts 3 rounds, you are fatigued for an hour afterward. Gift of Archfiend: Standard, DC 35 truespeech check, gain DR/5 cold iron and good, darkvision 60ft, immunity to electric and poison. Resistance to acid 10, cold 10, and fire 10. Double Command: can make two commands at once. To two different targets, or two commands to one target. Increases DC by +5. Summon Fiends: 1d6 Vrock, 1d4 Hezrous, full round action. Spells O lvl spells/4 day: Create water, cure minor wounds, detect magic, detect poison, guidance, inflict minor wounds, light, mending, purify food and drink, read magic, resistance, virtue. 1st lvl spells/5 day: Entropic shield, Sanctuary, Cure light wounds, Command, Shield of faith, endure elements, Detect undead, hide from undead, Doom, charm animal, speak with animal, produce flame. 2nd lvl spells/5 day: Cure moderate, lesser restoration, Silence, zone of truth, Barkskin, Flame Sphere, Spider climb. 3rd lvl spells/5 day: Cure serious, dispel magic, remove disease, remove curse, Daylight, Water breathing. 4th lvl spells/5 day: Cure Critical, Summon monster 4, restoration, lesser planar ally, Freedom of movement, scrying. 5th lvl spells/4 day: Flame Strike, True Seeing, Commune, Mass Cure light wounds, Stone skin. 6th lvl spells/4 day: Heal, Planar Ally, Mass Bulls strength, Mass Cure Moderate, stone tell. 7th lvl spells/3 day: Repulsion, Destruction, Mass Cure Serious, Etherial Jaunt, wind walk Combat/Tactics: Aelios will generally have commanded his Demon’s to guard him, which means that they will attack the first thing that attacks him. He prefers to let his minions do the direct fighting, while he supports them from a distance. He will also make good use of his summon Fiends ability. Friends/Allies: Aelios has no real friends or allies, though he does have his demonic minions. To call them allies is a stretch, as most serve him unwillingly. Foes/Enemies: Many of the Demons that he has bound to his service resent his control over them, and would jump at the chance for vengeance… if they weren’t scared of his power. To most others, he is little better than a tomb robber at best, and a demonologist at worst. Most clergies would be horrified at his use of their prayers and rituals to suit his own means. Fortunately for him, he has kept a low profile, searching through decrepit ruins and dungeons for lost lore. Appearance: Aelios is a man in his late 40’s, about 5’10, and developing a slight paunch around his middle. He has steel grey hair, that has severely receded in the middle. He keeps a neatly trimmed beard and mustache. He favors serviceable and utilitarian clothes that usually see a lot of wear and tear from crawling through ruins. His hands and sleeves tend to be ink stained, as he is constantly scribbling notes into his journal. Overall he has the appearance of a monkish scholar. Personality: Aelios is a man obsessed with his research. In his younger years, it was a fascination with religions and cultures. However as he got older, his passion for knowledge became a lust for power. He relishes the rewards that his life time of research has won him, yet still he thirsts for more. He has spent so much time away from civilization, that he no longer feels any real connections to society. All that matters is solving the next mystery, or discovering the secrets of some long lost culture. He is so consumed by his research, that he is completely oblivious to the potential consequences of his actions. It has gotten so bad, that he thinks nothing of binding demons to his will and using them as his slaves. They are simply a means to an end, and tool like any other. History: Aelios was born in Halruaa, to a well off merchant family. As a boy, he had an unquenchable thirst for knowledge, and his family had high hopes that he would pursue a promising career in wizardry. However, he chose a slightly different road. Instead of pouring over spell books and learning arcane treatises, he studied ancient histories and lore. Religions and cultures fascinated him, and before long he was learning ancient prayers and rites. When they started to actually work, he knew he had found his calling. He set out on a life of exploration and adventure. Some times he would join adventuring bands, other times he would strike out on his own. His moral decay started slowly. He broke into an elven tomb, in an area that outsiders were forbidden to venture to. He succeeded, and discovered some fascinating lore, but was caught by an elven patrol. He defended himself, and slew his attackers. Instead of feeling sorrow over the lives he had taken, he was exhilarated over the success of his research. After that, he took more and more risks, and nothing was taboo in his quest for knowledge. Eventually he made his way North, and began to study the ancient culture of Narfel. He found it fascinating, and combed hundreds of ruins. It was in one of these that he found a magically preserved tome with the true name of several demons. It was then that his research took a whole new turn. It wasn’t long before he had summoned and bound his first demon. Now he has nearly perfected his binding skills, and has become an expert in Nar demonology. Motives and Goals: To Aelios knowledge is the ultimate pursuit. Nothing can be purer than the quest to expand ones mind, and to rediscover things that were lost. Everything else is inconsequential.
#9 neo_leviathan Mar 10, 2011 17:43:35	Thanks Bonzai, I may just steal a few bits of that The guy in question will likely be used next week, and in the end I went the Wizard route rather than Archivist. Summoner Wizard 3/Master Specialist 10/Malconvoker 6/Archmage 1 I decided against Fiendbinder simply because it doesn't work as a dip, and I didn't feel the abilities were worth all the spellcasting hits. He'll have a Fallen Solar (ongoing plot point), a Lilitu that one of the PCs owes a service too, and will be summoning hordes of fiendish creatures when the fight starts (Collosal fiendish spiders summoned as a free action FTW) Planning a True-Neutral Rashemi who fled after refusing to fall into the Magic item crafter role set for all male mages. He's gaining all the power and influence he can, uncaring about the cost, and eventually plans to smash his way back to Rasheman and try to forcibly change their ways. Of course, the PCs will likely cut these plans rather short, but he should give them a decent run for his money. His tactics are pretty much: Time Stop - Effulgent Epparation - Greater Ironguard - Greater Blink - Antilife Shell (scroll) Then summon plenty of monsters, maybe throw in a Gate or a quick Planar Binding if needs be, while staying in the one place unless absolutely forced to move (he's no pansy-arse wizard who runs from melee and hides, he picks his spot, stands his ground, and won't move unless he absolutely has to). He's also got sufficient magic items & abilities that his Summon spells are completely undispellable by conventional means.

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Aelios Maldraven, NE Archavist 7/Fiendbinder 10
HP: 162
Init: +0
Speed: 30ft
Space/Reach: 5ft
AC: t: F:
Bab: 8/3
Attack: 9/4 1d8+1
Abilities: Str: 10, Dex: 11, Con: 18, Int: 18 Wis: 10, Cha: 8
Saves: Fort 12, Ref 5, Will 12
Skills: Concentration 20, True Speech 20, Knowledge of the planes 15, Knowledge Arcana 15, Knowledge Religion 10, Knowledge Nature 10, Knowledge Dungeoneering 10, Knowledge History 10, SpellCraft 20, Gather Information 5, Search 5, spot 5, listen 5.
Feats: Scribe Scroll, True Speech Training, Skill Focus True Speech, Archivist of Nature, Draconic Archivist, Spell penetration, Heighten spell, Maximize spell.
Possessions: Greater amulet of the Silver tongue (+10 true Speech), +4 Chain Shirt, +2 Morningstar, Headband of intellect +4, 1 Bound Marilith, 3 vrocks, 1 Hezrou.

Features: Dark Knowledge: 5/day, Make an appropriate knowledge check to identify target creature/creatures. If successful, chose from one of the following effects to effect all creatures within 60ft for one minute. If the check succeeds by more than 10, the bonus is increased to +2. If over 20, the bonus is increased to +3. Tactics: allys and you gain +1 to attack rolls on targeted creatures. Puissance: Allys and you gain +1 bonus to saves against affects from targeted creatures.
Lore Mastery (Arcana and Planes): +2 to decipher script, and to knowledge checks relating to the chosen field.
Still Mind: +2 to saves vs mind effecting.
Bind Fiend: True speech checks to command and bind; Babau DC 27, Succubus DC 29, Hellcat DC 29, Vrock DC 33, Cauchmar DC 37, Retriever DC 37, Hezrou DC 37, Barbed Devil DC 37, Ice Devil DC 41, Marilith DC 49.
Call forth Fiend: 1/day, 10 rounds. One fiend from the bind fiend list comes and serves you faithfully. DC above.
Bind Tormented Soul: DC 30 True Speech check, swift action. Dropping to negative 9 hp doesn’t disable you. At -10 or lower you can make a single move action or standard action. Lasts 3 rounds, you are fatigued for an hour afterward.
Gift of Archfiend: Standard, DC 35 truespeech check, gain DR/5 cold iron and good, darkvision 60ft, immunity to electric and poison. Resistance to acid 10, cold 10, and fire 10.
Double Command: can make two commands at once. To two different targets, or two commands to one target. Increases DC by +5.
Summon Fiends: 1d6 Vrock, 1d4 Hezrous, full round action.

Spells
O lvl spells/4 day: Create water, cure minor wounds, detect magic, detect poison, guidance, inflict minor wounds, light, mending, purify food and drink, read magic, resistance, virtue.
1st lvl spells/5 day: Entropic shield, Sanctuary, Cure light wounds, Command, Shield of faith, endure elements, Detect undead, hide from undead, Doom, charm animal, speak with animal, produce flame.
2nd lvl spells/5 day: Cure moderate, lesser restoration, Silence, zone of truth, Barkskin, Flame Sphere, Spider climb.
3rd lvl spells/5 day: Cure serious, dispel magic, remove disease, remove curse, Daylight, Water breathing.
4th lvl spells/5 day: Cure Critical, Summon monster 4, restoration, lesser planar ally, Freedom of movement, scrying.
5th lvl spells/4 day: Flame Strike, True Seeing, Commune, Mass Cure light wounds, Stone skin.
6th lvl spells/4 day: Heal, Planar Ally, Mass Bulls strength, Mass Cure Moderate, stone tell.
7th lvl spells/3 day: Repulsion, Destruction, Mass Cure Serious, Etherial Jaunt, wind walk

Combat/Tactics: Aelios will generally have commanded his Demon’s to guard him, which means that they will attack the first thing that attacks him. He prefers to let his minions do the direct fighting, while he supports them from a distance. He will also make good use of his summon Fiends ability.

Friends/Allies: Aelios has no real friends or allies, though he does have his demonic minions. To call them allies is a stretch, as most serve him unwillingly.

Foes/Enemies: Many of the Demons that he has bound to his service resent his control over them, and would jump at the chance for vengeance… if they weren’t scared of his power. To most others, he is little better than a tomb robber at best, and a demonologist at worst. Most clergies would be horrified at his use of their prayers and rituals to suit his own means. Fortunately for him, he has kept a low profile, searching through decrepit ruins and dungeons for lost lore.

Appearance: Aelios is a man in his late 40’s, about 5’10, and developing a slight paunch around his middle. He has steel grey hair, that has severely receded in the middle. He keeps a neatly trimmed beard and mustache. He favors serviceable and utilitarian clothes that usually see a lot of wear and tear from crawling through ruins. His hands and sleeves tend to be ink stained, as he is constantly scribbling notes into his journal. Overall he has the appearance of a monkish scholar.

Personality: Aelios is a man obsessed with his research. In his younger years, it was a fascination with religions and cultures. However as he got older, his passion for knowledge became a lust for power. He relishes the rewards that his life time of research has won him, yet still he thirsts for more. He has spent so much time away from civilization, that he no longer feels any real connections to society. All that matters is solving the next mystery, or discovering the secrets of some long lost culture. He is so consumed by his research, that he is completely oblivious to the potential consequences of his actions. It has gotten so bad, that he thinks nothing of binding demons to his will and using them as his slaves. They are simply a means to an end, and tool like any other.

History: Aelios was born in Halruaa, to a well off merchant family. As a boy, he had an unquenchable thirst for knowledge, and his family had high hopes that he would pursue a promising career in wizardry. However, he chose a slightly different road. Instead of pouring over spell books and learning arcane treatises, he studied ancient histories and lore. Religions and cultures fascinated him, and before long he was learning ancient prayers and rites. When they started to actually work, he knew he had found his calling. He set out on a life of exploration and adventure. Some times he would join adventuring bands, other times he would strike out on his own.

His moral decay started slowly. He broke into an elven tomb, in an area that outsiders were forbidden to venture to. He succeeded, and discovered some fascinating lore, but was caught by an elven patrol. He defended himself, and slew his attackers. Instead of feeling sorrow over the lives he had taken, he was exhilarated over the success of his research. After that, he took more and more risks, and nothing was taboo in his quest for knowledge.

Eventually he made his way North, and began to study the ancient culture of Narfel. He found it fascinating, and combed hundreds of ruins. It was in one of these that he found a magically preserved tome with the true name of several demons. It was then that his research took a whole new turn. It wasn’t long before he had summoned and bound his first demon. Now he has nearly perfected his binding skills, and has become an expert in Nar demonology.

Motives and Goals: To Aelios knowledge is the ultimate pursuit. Nothing can be purer than the quest to expand ones mind, and to rediscover things that were lost. Everything else is inconsequential.