DEX 18
CON 17
INT 17
STR 16
WIS 15
CHA 15
And I have 2,700 Gp, but dont know what to get with it. Please help with them. He is a rogue and has 26 hp. Please help, I dont wanna die again.
wow, it hasn't been that long and it's almost to the bottom? o.o
What books allowed?
there are guidelines for this .... look in the stickies at the top of this forum
try this:
Gray Elf (monster manual 1)
Rogue 3
14 STR (16-2 racial)
20 DEX (18+2 racial)
15 CON (17-2 racial)
19 INT (17+2 Racial)
15 WIS (15 base)
15 CHA (15 Base)
Feats:
Weapon Finnesse
Quick Reconoiter
Magic items:
750gp Healing Belt
Nonmagical Combat items:
320gp Masterwork Rapier
330gp Masterwork Shortbow
5gp 100 arrows
10gp....5x daggers
100gp Chain Shirt
200gp..2x War Ponies(trained)...one to be riden, one for carrying supplies...both are combat ready and can fight
150gp...6x Guard Dogs(trained).....trained for various things
100gp .10x Acid Flasks
200gp..10x Alchemists Fire
100gp...4x Holy Water
Misc Equipment:
-Backpack (empty) 2 gp
-3xSaddlebags 12gp
-Bedroll 1 sp
-Block and tackle 5 gp
-10xCase, map or scroll 10 gp
- Fishhook 1 sp
-10xFlask (empty) 3sp
-Flint and steel 1 gp
-Grappling hook 1 gp
-Hammer 5 sp
-5xInk (1 oz. vial) 40 gp (colors: Blackx2, Red, Blue, yellow)
-5xInkpen 5 sp —
-Lantern, bullseye 12 gp
-2xMirror, small steel 20 gp
-Mug/Tankard, clay 2 cp
-5xOil (1-pint flask) 5sp
-10xPaper (sheet) 4gp
-10xParchment (sheet) 2 gp
-5xPiton 5sp
-5xPouch, belt (empty) 5 gp
-10xRations, trail (per day) 5gp
-Rope, silk (100ft.) 20gp
-10xSack (empty) 1gp
-Sealing wax 1 gp 1 lb.
-Sewing needle 5 sp
-Signal whistle 8 sp
-Signet ring 5 gp
-Soap (per lb.) 5 sp
-Spade or shovel 2 gp
-Tent 10 gp
-10xVial ink or potion 10 gp
-3xWaterskin 3 gp
-Cold weather outfit 8 gp
-Explorer’s outfit 10 gp
-Scholar’s outfit 5 gp
-Traveler’s outfit 1 gp
total cost for Misc Equipment = 202gp 9 silver 2 copper ... round up to 203gp
2468gp spent .... 232gp left to spend ...... get some potions???
:D
what race?
What books allowed?
there are guidelines for this .... look in the stickies at the top of this forum
Any book, srry for that. And as for race and all that, I dont see how that effects the items I CAN get at level 3 with only 2700gp. All that I would have Heavy+ weight and with my DM and caimpain, both my war pony's would die like ~snaps fingers~ that. I like that guard dog idea. I'll tryt an got some equiptment. But you got any idea's for enchanted item's, like something to improve DEX or CON?
Any book, srry for that. And as for race and all that, I dont see how that effects the items I CAN get at level 3 with only 2700gp. All that I would have Heavy+ weight and with my DM and caimpain, both my war pony's would die like ~snaps fingers~ that. I like that guard dog idea. I'll tryt an got some equiptment. But you got any idea's for enchanted item's, like something to improve DEX or CON?
Anything that improves your stats will be out of your price range, a healing belt and anything to raise your HP or AC ring of protection might be an idea, if you're going melee get a buckler.
Any book, srry for that. And as for race and all that, I dont see how that effects the items I CAN get at level 3 with only 2700gp. All that I would have Heavy+ weight and with my DM and caimpain, both my war pony's would die like ~snaps fingers~ that. I like that guard dog idea. I'll tryt an got some equiptment. But you got any idea's for enchanted item's, like something to improve DEX or CON?
when choosing items for a character .... there are many factors:
what is the purpose of the character? ....... this determines whether you will get Heavy or light armor, weapons, etc... it also affects choices like race(some are better than others for specific roles)
if you actually take the time to see how much the items i listed Weigh .... you will find that they dont weigh very much and are not a burden for you or your pack animals ..... also notice this:
Carrying Capacity: A light load for a warpony is up to 100 pounds; a medium load, 101–200 pounds; and a heavy load, 201–300 pounds. A warpony can drag 1,500 pounds.
the Magic Item Compendium has many cheap magic items that are useful, but at this level mundane items are far more cost effective
lets look at your stats at this level .... given the Build that i made for you:
Gray Elf (monster manual 1)
Rogue 3
23 HP(using your HP base 26 - 3 from Con reduction)
+7 Initiative(+5 dex +2 Quick reconoiter)
30' speed
AC 18 (10 base + 4 Dex +4 Armor)
BAB +2
Full Attack +8 Rapier 1d6+2(18-20/x2) or +7 Shortbow 1d6(20/x3)
14 STR (16-2 racial)
20 DEX (18+2 racial)
15 CON (17-2 racial)
19 INT (17+2 Racial)
15 WIS (15 base)
15 CHA (15 Base)
Feats:
Weapon Finnesse
Quick Reconoiter
total Skill points = 72 ,max ranks 6
suggested skills:
5 ranks Balance (Dex)
5 ranks Bluff (Cha)
5 ranks Climb (Str)
6 ranks Disable Device (Int)
6 ranks Hide (Dex
1 rank Knowledge (local) (Int)
6 ranks Listen (Wis)
6 ranks Move Silently (Dex)
6 ranks Open Lock (Dex)
1 rank Perform (Cha)
1 rank Profession(locksmith) (Wis)
6 ranks Search (Int)
1 ranks Sleight of Hand (Dex)
6 ranks Spot (Wis)
5 ranks Tumble (Dex)
6 ranks Use Magic Device (Cha)
at this level, you are not going to be a POWERHOUSE... you should be a Finnesse Character with many skills and great stealth.... for combat ... stay away from Melee, use ranged attacks(arrows @ Long Range, Splash Weapons @ Short range).... use your animals Intelligently and both they and you will survive...THINK ..... also learn how and When to RUN AWAY
look at this to see How to play a rogue:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=529135
:D
But yeah, at that low level go for a crossbow or something similar. A rapier and weapon finesse is also good times. Any good rogue should also have two weapon fighting so starting with a rapier and a short sword along with weapon finesse/two weapon fighting should make you effective and you shouldnt die easily if you play smart. You should have decent hit points but you dont want to get hit heavy and bring som potions if you dont have a healer or if the healer is bad. Also, if I remember correctly a ring of the darkhidden costs only 2000gp in magic item compendium. It makes you invisible to darkvision so it can be pretty awesome in the right campaign
Other very good cheap items is healing belt, ring of protection, though mundane stuff like masterwork weapons, guard dogs and so on is very nice. You can also get some hidden weapons and such from complete scoundrel. Very nice to have as they can catch the opponent flatfooted on AoO's.You can't go wrong with some:
smoke bombs - 20 gold - .5 lbs (very handy for tactical retreat)
fry bombs - 3d6 fire over 5ft + 1d6 fire over another 5ft - 110g - .5lbs worth every shilling.
small mirrors - 4g good for looking without getting shot at.
Finally...the most underrated item in your kit. a blanket - cheap.
We have used a blanket in so many ways, it would make Macguyver crap his pants. Throw it on undead for an instant flammable coating. Spike it over a hole to create a quick trap. Tear it up to mark your way out of a tricky cave. It's truly a rogue wonder tool.
The best thing you can do as a rogue is work your mind, not your weapons. Show your worth when it comes to trading in the loot. Do some wheeling and dealing with local nobles to get some extra help, then loot them when they inevitably die. Ah red shirts...my favorite AC bonus.
Renizar's Stats
Human Rogue 1/Swashbucket 2
16 STR
18 DEX
17 CON
17 INT
15 WIS
15 CHA
Feats
Two-Weapon Fighting
Dareing Outlaw
Weapon Fitness [Swashbucket]
Victers Luck (+1 luck reroles/day)
Unbileavibly Luck (+2 luck reroles/day)
Shaky [Flaw]
Weapons
Rapier
And off hand Light weapon (Please help with that weapon)
Thats his basic's. I am thinking of makeing him kinda like a Nimble fighter. Ever move he makes is like he is preforming a dance, I am thinking I am going to get some tricks in with the 4 points left over from the one rogue lvl. I still need equipment, maybe you could help me in these spots?
do you want a Rogue or a Finnesse Fighter?
are you interested In Skills or Fighting ability?
how many Flaws are you allowed?
look at what you have:
stats:
16 STR
18 DEX
17 CON
17 INT
15 WIS
15 CHA
they look great for an Archer Build.... :[indent]
Human Ranger 3 would be great, lots of Skills, Full BAB, good Hp, Good saves
Gray Elf Ranger 3 would be even better, better Skills, better ranged Attacks[/indent]
they could also work for a Finnesse Melee build:
[indent]
Human Swashbuckler 3 .... works well
Gray Elf Swashbuckler 3 ... works just as well[/indent]
they also are good for plain old Rogue:
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Human Rogue 2/ Ranger 1 ..... is very nice, better saves, but use the Simple Rogue Variant... thus you get 2 bonus Fighter feats, and Lose Sneak Attack bonus damage
Gray Elf will be just the same, with the normal benifits[/indent]
any Elf race will work... plain old high Elf will be just fine
but we need to know what you are looking for
All this equipment (and its really a great list), and no mention of Masterwork Thieve's Tools? Man...
opps :embarrass .... you are correct ... add
100gp Thieves’ tools, masterwork
80gp Climber’s kit
:D
Never mind, I come here asking for WHAT isgood to get and we go intothe character himself. I DONT WANT HELP WITH MY CHARACTER, ONLY HIS EQUIPMENT!!!!!!!!!
Now that we got that settled, my dm for some reason is only alouing races from forgoten realms book. I have found out we are not aloude to use Dragon magazien or Dungeon Magazien.
Im ganna ask some of my fellow campainer's because it seems here all you care about is the character, not his equipment. I mean a lvl 3 human can be equipted with anything a lvl 3 Gray elf can. So I dont see how that matters at all. I have also mentioned that ALL ANIMALS WILL DIE, my DM always finds a way to get ride of our pack mules, thats how my guy died, I was carrying most of the stuff for the party and I was the one being targeted. We lost ALL equipment on me AND the food retions I was carrying for the party. So not pack mules, NO NOTHING TO CARYY MY ITEMS!!! All I need right now is Equipment. OK, GOT IT?!
And please, if you dont got the fact that all I need is equipment for my Rogue 1/Swashbucket 2 with Darring Outlaw, THEN DONT POST!!!!
Whisper Gnome Rogue1/Swashbuckler1/Figher1
(Going for Fighter2/Swash3/RogueX)
1)rogue telling blow, sneak attack: 1d6
2)swash-finesse (retroactive: grace +1)
3)fighter- two weapon fighting, improved buckler defense
4)rogue evasion, (retroactive: +2d6 sneak attack)
5)swash grace +1 (moves to level 2)
6)rogue- daring outlaw, penetrating strike (rogue variant), +3D6 sneak attack, +1 dodge to AC
7)fighter - open feat
8)swash insightful strike
Finish with Rogue... or maybe get up to 4 fighter and then rogue if you want more feats..
some feat ideas for later in the build, or if you just want to rework things:
Craven
Iron Will
Improved Critical - Kukri
Improved two weapon fighting
Combat Reflexes
Vexing Flanker
Sneak Attack of Opportunity (dragon version)
Darkstalker
Parrying Shield
Staggering Strike
Silencing Strike
Dodge, then
Titan Fighting
Get a rapier and a kukri, or two kukris, some armor, maybe some kind of leather, some spare weapons (see if you can get silver and cold iron...), some bolt cutters, a crowbar, a grappling hook and rope, a small mirror, some masterwork thieves tools, some masterwork climbing tools, some smokesticks, a ranged weapon (perhaps a longbow), get some anti-poison items, there are both magical and alchemical versions, get some acid flasks, a buckler, some potions of lesser vigor, a sap, some caltrops, some kind of flash powder (there are many different versions, get one that specifically says you can use it to hide), a magnifying glass, something to cut glass, grappling hooks (and a grappling hook firing crossbow if you can), some garroting tools, a hacksaw, some wire, a metal case that is waterproof for documents, some of the strongest alcohol you can find, some oil, a small item with continual flame cast on it, a bedroll, a one person tent, a torch (even if you have other light sources, torch = fire), some cooking/eating equipment, some hygeine equipment, some kind of entrenching tool, some flint and steel and/or tindertwigs, a waterskin and rations, some arrows/ammo, a hooded lamp, preferably that can be dimmed, some changes of clothes, including disguises, some animal grease, some metal marbles, some pitons and a hammer... etc. etc. you might need a mule to carry some of this stuff, and you only want to bring the stuff that is NECESSARY on a job...
Get a rapier and a kukri, or two kukris, some armor, maybe some kind of leather, some spare weapons (see if you can get silver and cold iron...), some bolt cutters, a crowbar, a grappling hook and rope, a small mirror, some masterwork thieves tools, some masterwork climbing tools, some smokesticks, a ranged weapon (perhaps a longbow), some acid flasks, a buckler, some potions of lesser vigor, a sap, some caltrops, some kind of flash powder (there are many different versions, get one that specifically says you can use it to hide), a magnifying glass, something to cut glass, grappling hooks (and a grappling hook firing crossbow if you can), some garroting tools, a hacksaw, some animal grease, some metal marbles, some pitons and a hammer... etc. etc. you might need a mule to carry some of this stuff, and you only want to bring the stuff that is NECESSARY on a job...
Thanks man, I know I am going to get a Rapier and some other light weapon or maybe some other weapon I can use. And for the Rogue. Only thing I see wrong is it just doesn't fit my guy. I was ganna go swashbucket and maybe add a multi-class with the Deulist or Dread Pirate. Rogue have to lil' HP, so I am only getting one for Darring outlaw, and when I rolled it, it lowered my HP from a 36 to a 31. So I aint ganna get much more of them, maybe one more to get evation. But that's all I want of rogue, sneak attack and and some reflex save stull like evation.
Anyway thanks for the help. But I'm not ganna have a horse of anything because they die fast in this campain.
Uhm, you dont reroll your HP once you get it, man!
Just see if you can take average hp... it really helps...
and I dont know what kinds of items you might need, so I'm just adding stuff and adding stuff...
And my build is VERY VERY swashbuckly! Hence the buckler, and the weapons upon which to swash it, and the finesse, and telling blow, and sneak attack, etc. etc.
As for the build, I think I might want to know more about this, could you send me a link of some of the things I could do with a sneak attack as a swashbucket?
And your first level should be rogue! Skill points are more important than hit points, by far!!
lets say your con is 14... and all the other hit points are average. The hit points for this aren't BAD... but this character is a striker, not a defender...
lvl 1 rogue, max hp: 6+2 (total: 8 usable: 8)
lvl 2 swash, 5.5+2 (total: 15.5 usable: 15)
lvl 3 fighter, 5.5+2 (total: 23 usable: 23)
lvl 4 rogue, 3.5+2 (total: 28.5 usable: 28)
lvl 5 swash, 5.5+2 (total: 36 usable: 36)
lvl 6 rogue, 3.5+2 (total: 41.5 usable: 41)
lvl 7 fighter, 5.5+2 (total: 49 usable: 49)
lvl 8 swash, 5.5+2 (total: 56.5 usable: 56)
lvl 9 rogue, 3.5+2 (total: 62 usable: 62)
lvl 10 rogue, 3.5+2 (total: 67.5 usable 67)
etc.
and with this, at level 3, you can make two attacks as a full round action, you do weapon damage + strength bonus with the main weapon, and weapon damage + 1/2 strength bonus with the off hand weapon, you can use your dex mod to attack with light weapons, and your main weapons are likely an 18-20 crit range, and every critical hit is also a sneak attack, which adds 1d6 per hit to damage. Lets say you are human, for this, and have picked up the "Craven" feat at first level. You have a dex of 16, a strength of 10. You are using a Masterwork Rapier and a Masterwork Kukri as weapons. Your BAB is +2, and your dex gives you +3, and the masterwork gives you +1, and twf makes it -2, and the buckler makes it -1, so you are at +3/+3. Damage would normally be 1d6 for the main weapon, and then 1d4 for the off handed weapon. Now, lets say you are flanking. You are at +5/+5 to hit, and your damage is 1d6, and then 1d6+3 precision damage for the main weapon, and 1d4, 1d6+3 precision damage for the off handed weapon. Now, lets say you AREN'T flanking, but you DO crit, which is fairly easy with 18-20 range weapons. Now your damage is 2d6 + 1d6+3 precision for the main weapon, and 2d4 +1d6+3 precision for the off handed weapon. And this is at level 3! Not perfect, but certainly very swashbuckly, and very interesting...
And your first level should be rogue! Skill points are more important than hit points, by far!!
Lol, with that staitment alone, I can tell you have a far diffrent DM then I do. In his campain, you want to have about 10xlvl. Thats why I am worryed about haveing 32 while everyone else in my campain has about 35-42.
Anyway, I like all the other stull, I think I'll get Craven and drop te Luck Reroll's even though I might need 'em.
But my weapons, I got a main weapon with 1d6 and a off hand weapon with 1d6. Best part, my DM lets us use Swortswords as a slashing weapon too sence they can be in the real world. ^-^
Anyway, I gess it is ok with that, but I dont need much, I'd have 48 SP at level one. But really, I only need that 32 SP. I mean I have enough for what I want AND some things that give me the bonus for the ones I want.
Anyway, could you give me a link for a handbook on Weapon Fitness build's and/or a link for a Swashbuckler cross-class Rogue handbook?
If he's handing out melee-fighting, your AC should be pretty high as a dex/int character in a chain shirt, relative to level 3. Use a buckler for a while.
Granted, level 1 and 2 can be especially deadly, since many characters only have 6-12 HP in that range. But still, get a healer, get someone to bog down the opposing forces, get a flanking buddy.
Look in the top link on the board... "some handy links" thread. All you need is in there.
Finally...the most underrated item in your kit. a blanket - cheap.
We have used a blanket in so many ways, it would make Macguyver crap his pants. Throw it on undead for an instant flammable coating. Spike it over a hole to create a quick trap. Tear it up to mark your way out of a tricky cave. It's truly a rogue wonder tool.
Personally I have always found a towel to be superior to a blanket - at least when it comes to being the perfect multi-use tool.
http://www.greatplay.net/uselessia/articles/uses%20for%20towel.html
:D
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Also, not much room when goblins are throwing bolders down a side of the cliff and there ain't much space to move. ^^;;