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Making an Eldritch Theurge

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#1
banatine
May 30, 2008 2:33:26 We have just started an evil campaign, and i was going to be a warlock 6/ warmage 4/ eldritch theurge 10.

I started as a warlock 1, with baleful utterance, and Mortalbane. That is where i draw a blank.

Any help with any character aspects would be appreciated!
#2
vicen_korel
May 30, 2008 9:22:21 Read this on warmages

Now read the following:
How to ask for help

Then please revise your request and add in the needed information.

Last Note:
Take beguiler over warmage.
#3
Diffan
May 30, 2008 9:38:52 well, i don't know where mortalbane comes from, but I usually leave the invocation/spell selection to each player.

What it comes down to is, why warmage? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the warmage class but it's abilities don't seem to mesh well with that of a warlock besides the synergy of their Cha score. With the warlock's eldritch blast and the ability to infuse it with invocations, there's really no need for the warmage's destructive only spell list. Anyone on these boards will tell you right off to drop the warmage and grab the sorcerer, if you want to go that route. I actually prefer the wizard instead. It allows you to gain the Eldritch Theurge class quicker and it's versatility in spells can't be matched. Scribe scrolls in your off time for those "no point in memorizing" spells and leave your damage dealing to the gaining power of your eldritch blast. Sure your going to prepare a few destructive spells, but the combo of the Eldritch Theurge is to free up those slots for more diverse and helpful spells. I'd probably only have 1 spell per level that deals direct damage like magic missile or hail of stone at 1st, scorching ray at 2nd, lightning bolt or fireball at 3rd and so on... If or when you hit level 16 (warlock 3/wizard 3/eldritch theurge 10) stay on the wizard path, netting you 9th level spells at level 20. Feats like Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot allows you to shoot into melee without penalties and feats such as Ability Focus (eldritch blast) help boost DC saves. If you insist on being a warmage, still advance the warmage levels after 10 in eldritch theurge for 8th level spells and more importantly those spell slots. Feats such as Rapid Metamagic will help quicken your more potent spells while giving you the ability to eldritch blast in the same round. Other feats such as Sculpt Spell, Spell Focus (evocation), Greater Spell Focus (evocation), and Explosive Spell are good choices for warmages. Also, while Extra Spell is nice if your DM allows you to pick spells from the wiz/sor spell list, I dont' think it's worth the feat for 1 spell and stay away from Extra Edge, it's just stupid IMO.
#4
sinfire_titan
May 30, 2008 9:58:55 Mortalbane is a great choice if your campaign isn't centered around Undead, Outsiders, or Constructs. Unfortunately, those are three of the most common enemies DMs will use. While the feat is indeed very powerful (as it can be used all at once by RAW), sometimes it will hinder you if you don't know what you are up against.

Note that Elementals, Plants, and even (sometimes) Oozes are considered immortal, so the feat may not work well if those show up too.

A great way to back it up is with either the entire Elder Evils book or with the Sanctify and Purify SLA feats from the BoED. Also, the following are from the Wizards site, so they are legal for play:

Infernal Affinity
Your infernal abilities are more potent against good opponents.

Prerequisite: Evil outsider or Fiendish Heritage, Ability to use lesser invocations

Benefits: Good aligned creatures suffer a -1 penalty on saving throws against your eldritch blasts and invocations. Good aligned outsiders and those with an aura of good suffer a -3 penalty on saving throws against your eldritch blasts and invocations.

Fey Affinity
Your fey ancestry has enhanced your warlock abilities.

Prerequisite -- Chr 13, Fey or must possess the Fey Heritage feat, warlock level 2

Benefits -- You can cast detect animals or plants a number of times per day equal to your Charisma modifier. Your caster level for this ability is the same as your warlock caster level.

Planar Affinity
Your planar heritage makes you a more flexible warlock.

Prerequisite: Native outsider, Ability to use lesser invocations

Benefits: Each time you become eligible to replace an existing invocation with another invocation, you can instead replace two invocations. Thus a warlock who reaches 6th level could replace two least invocations. When the same warlock reaches 11th level, he can replace two least or lesser invocations.
In addition, you gain a +2 bonus on all Charisma-based checks when dealing with outsiders within one step of your alignment on each of the alignment axes.

Normal: A warlock can replace only one invocation at 6th, 11th, and 16th level.

Infernal Adept feat
You have learned exotic invocations previously beyond your grasp.

Prerequisites: Ability to use greater invocations as a dragonfire adept or a warlock, special

Benefits: You learn one invocation from another class's list, choosing an invocation no more than two grades lower than the highest grade of invocation you know. For instance, an 11th-level warlock could learn a least invocation from the dragonfire adept list, while a 16th level dragonfire adept could learn a least or lesser invocation from the warlock list.

Special: This feat can be selected multiple times. It can be selected by a dragonblooded warlock with no additional requirements. The same is true for an outsider or fey dragonfire adept. If a character is not of those races, she must perform a special quest to learn the invocation. The specifics are left up to the DM, but the quest should involve some service to a force capable of granting the desired invocation and should take considerable time.

#5
banatine
May 31, 2008 17:04:51 About why warmage, because i thought it was the perfect class to synergise with eldritch theurge, since i'm trying to be a sniper/blaster.

I was originally going to go straight warlock 17/ hellfire warlock 3, but when i got complete arcane, i wanted to see what the theurge was like.

Almost every spell on the warmage list can be used with Spellblast, which is what i was after. I'm just trying to play a simple-ish character. pretty much every utility spell i need can be gotten as invocations.

last note: Why does everyone like the beguiler so much?

(Maybe i should have just asked about feat choices...)
#6
vicen_korel
Jun 01, 2008 0:23:11 Becuase Beguiler is so much better than warmage.

Warmage gets the same hit dice as the beguiler and both can cast in armor.

However the beguiler gets Trapsense, more skill points, more skills, and a MUCH better spell list.

Warmage has Warmage Edge which isn't great there are better ways to add damage to spells (BTW only works on warmage spells).

And you could get most of your utility from warlock but I think you have the cart before the horse if you do. You will run out of spells, and even faster if you are blasting with them. Why blast with a limited resource when you have the ever-zap power of eldritch blast that equals damage spells easily? Grab a couple of blast invocations and be done with it, and you can still have some utility invocations. You save your spells for things that blasting won't solve. Also you can limit your blast damage, so if need be you could blast a friend for 1d6 damage + a buff spell effect (not the best way to do it but you could do it).
#7
iamwardicus
Jun 02, 2008 9:22:28 read this : http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=751117 : Thinblades warlock guide is the best one out there. also, I would recommend eldritch disciple and go along the lines of warlock / ur-priest /hellfire warlock. that's my personal favorite.
#8
joemama1512
Jun 03, 2008 15:50:56 Try to use some Cheeze for early entry.

Take precocious apprentice or Illumian imp sigil:Krau.

That way, you can take 4 warlock, 1 mage, and enter Eld Disciple early.

Hence, you lose very little warlock goodness, and gain the mage spells for "free". It also gives you some fun stuff like tossing a Blast and attaching a spell to it, or vice versa.

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#1 banatine May 30, 2008 2:33:26	We have just started an evil campaign, and i was going to be a warlock 6/ warmage 4/ eldritch theurge 10. I started as a warlock 1, with baleful utterance, and Mortalbane. That is where i draw a blank. Any help with any character aspects would be appreciated!
#2 vicen_korel May 30, 2008 9:22:21	Read this on warmages Now read the following: How to ask for help Then please revise your request and add in the needed information. Last Note: Take beguiler over warmage.
#3 Diffan May 30, 2008 9:38:52	well, i don't know where mortalbane comes from, but I usually leave the invocation/spell selection to each player. What it comes down to is, why warmage? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the warmage class but it's abilities don't seem to mesh well with that of a warlock besides the synergy of their Cha score. With the warlock's eldritch blast and the ability to infuse it with invocations, there's really no need for the warmage's destructive only spell list. Anyone on these boards will tell you right off to drop the warmage and grab the sorcerer, if you want to go that route. I actually prefer the wizard instead. It allows you to gain the Eldritch Theurge class quicker and it's versatility in spells can't be matched. Scribe scrolls in your off time for those "no point in memorizing" spells and leave your damage dealing to the gaining power of your eldritch blast. Sure your going to prepare a few destructive spells, but the combo of the Eldritch Theurge is to free up those slots for more diverse and helpful spells. I'd probably only have 1 spell per level that deals direct damage like magic missile or hail of stone at 1st, scorching ray at 2nd, lightning bolt or fireball at 3rd and so on... If or when you hit level 16 (warlock 3/wizard 3/eldritch theurge 10) stay on the wizard path, netting you 9th level spells at level 20. Feats like Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot allows you to shoot into melee without penalties and feats such as Ability Focus (eldritch blast) help boost DC saves. If you insist on being a warmage, still advance the warmage levels after 10 in eldritch theurge for 8th level spells and more importantly those spell slots. Feats such as Rapid Metamagic will help quicken your more potent spells while giving you the ability to eldritch blast in the same round. Other feats such as Sculpt Spell, Spell Focus (evocation), Greater Spell Focus (evocation), and Explosive Spell are good choices for warmages. Also, while Extra Spell is nice if your DM allows you to pick spells from the wiz/sor spell list, I dont' think it's worth the feat for 1 spell and stay away from Extra Edge, it's just stupid IMO.
#4 sinfire_titan May 30, 2008 9:58:55	Mortalbane is a great choice if your campaign isn't centered around Undead, Outsiders, or Constructs. Unfortunately, those are three of the most common enemies DMs will use. While the feat is indeed very powerful (as it can be used all at once by RAW), sometimes it will hinder you if you don't know what you are up against. Note that Elementals, Plants, and even (sometimes) Oozes are considered immortal, so the feat may not work well if those show up too. A great way to back it up is with either the entire Elder Evils book or with the Sanctify and Purify SLA feats from the BoED. Also, the following are from the Wizards site, so they are legal for play: Infernal Affinity Your infernal abilities are more potent against good opponents. Prerequisite: Evil outsider or Fiendish Heritage, Ability to use lesser invocations Benefits: Good aligned creatures suffer a -1 penalty on saving throws against your eldritch blasts and invocations. Good aligned outsiders and those with an aura of good suffer a -3 penalty on saving throws against your eldritch blasts and invocations. Fey Affinity Your fey ancestry has enhanced your warlock abilities. Prerequisite -- Chr 13, Fey or must possess the Fey Heritage feat, warlock level 2 Benefits -- You can cast detect animals or plants a number of times per day equal to your Charisma modifier. Your caster level for this ability is the same as your warlock caster level. Planar Affinity Your planar heritage makes you a more flexible warlock. Prerequisite: Native outsider, Ability to use lesser invocations Benefits: Each time you become eligible to replace an existing invocation with another invocation, you can instead replace two invocations. Thus a warlock who reaches 6th level could replace two least invocations. When the same warlock reaches 11th level, he can replace two least or lesser invocations. In addition, you gain a +2 bonus on all Charisma-based checks when dealing with outsiders within one step of your alignment on each of the alignment axes. Normal: A warlock can replace only one invocation at 6th, 11th, and 16th level. Infernal Adept feat You have learned exotic invocations previously beyond your grasp. Prerequisites: Ability to use greater invocations as a dragonfire adept or a warlock, special Benefits: You learn one invocation from another class's list, choosing an invocation no more than two grades lower than the highest grade of invocation you know. For instance, an 11th-level warlock could learn a least invocation from the dragonfire adept list, while a 16th level dragonfire adept could learn a least or lesser invocation from the warlock list. Special: This feat can be selected multiple times. It can be selected by a dragonblooded warlock with no additional requirements. The same is true for an outsider or fey dragonfire adept. If a character is not of those races, she must perform a special quest to learn the invocation. The specifics are left up to the DM, but the quest should involve some service to a force capable of granting the desired invocation and should take considerable time.
#5 banatine May 31, 2008 17:04:51	About why warmage, because i thought it was the perfect class to synergise with eldritch theurge, since i'm trying to be a sniper/blaster. I was originally going to go straight warlock 17/ hellfire warlock 3, but when i got complete arcane, i wanted to see what the theurge was like. Almost every spell on the warmage list can be used with Spellblast, which is what i was after. I'm just trying to play a simple-ish character. pretty much every utility spell i need can be gotten as invocations. last note: Why does everyone like the beguiler so much? (Maybe i should have just asked about feat choices...)
#6 vicen_korel Jun 01, 2008 0:23:11	Becuase Beguiler is so much better than warmage. Warmage gets the same hit dice as the beguiler and both can cast in armor. However the beguiler gets Trapsense, more skill points, more skills, and a MUCH better spell list. Warmage has Warmage Edge which isn't great there are better ways to add damage to spells (BTW only works on warmage spells). And you could get most of your utility from warlock but I think you have the cart before the horse if you do. You will run out of spells, and even faster if you are blasting with them. Why blast with a limited resource when you have the ever-zap power of eldritch blast that equals damage spells easily? Grab a couple of blast invocations and be done with it, and you can still have some utility invocations. You save your spells for things that blasting won't solve. Also you can limit your blast damage, so if need be you could blast a friend for 1d6 damage + a buff spell effect (not the best way to do it but you could do it).
#7 iamwardicus Jun 02, 2008 9:22:28	read this : http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=751117 : Thinblades warlock guide is the best one out there. also, I would recommend eldritch disciple and go along the lines of warlock / ur-priest /hellfire warlock. that's my personal favorite.
#8 joemama1512 Jun 03, 2008 15:50:56	Try to use some Cheeze for early entry. Take precocious apprentice or Illumian imp sigil:Krau. That way, you can take 4 warlock, 1 mage, and enter Eld Disciple early. Hence, you lose very little warlock goodness, and gain the mage spells for "free". It also gives you some fun stuff like tossing a Blast and attaching a spell to it, or vice versa.